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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by StaggerLee
    -- Matt Hardy took to Twitter to comment on being officially released from his contract with World Wrestling Entertainment this afternoon, saying he "had to move on."

    "Thank God! :) I swear.. It was harder for me to get released then it was to get hired! This is ABSOLUTELY what I want, now I can be me! I wanna thank WWE for giving me an opportunity, & I thank all the people & friends that helped me there. But I HAD to move on to be happy. I wanna thank JR, who hired me, Michael Hayes, who taught me SO much, & Vince, for letting me make a living & learn from him for 12 years. While some of you make look at this as an ending-I promise you, this is THE MUTHAF*CKING BEGINNING FOR MATT HARDY! Now I can create change!"



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He's...really delusional.

I mean...kinda REALLY delusional.

Does he really think his career is better off without WWE? Was WWE really the ones holding him back?

They gave him every chance in the world. Hell, Matt had a chance to make something of himself as recently as his last feud with Drew McIntyre. It's not WWE's fault that he made nothing of it. It's not WWE's fault he gained all that weight. It's not WWE's fault he lost all his motivation.

He's a very delusional man.




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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
[quote It's False It's not WWE's fault he gained all that weight. It's not WWE's fault he lost all his motivation.

He's a very delusional man.


But it was WWE that wasn't using him the way he wanted to be used, making him lose motivation which prevented him from getting in the shape he oughta be in, putting in the effort he should have been putting in.

I checked 30 seconds of the video and his face does look slimmer than it did the last time I saw it on tv.
If he did lose 20 pounds, great for him.
Now he gets the chance to do what he wants to do and probably the way he wants to do it.
Good for Matt Hardy personally.

Do I care much? No. Unless he manages to recapture the magic from 7 years ago when he was Matt Hardy v1.0 there is no way he will turn heads.

However, the 30 seconds of video I made it through were head rollingly boring already. Clapping, saying in a boring tone that this was a good day, perhaps a great day, oh yes it was a great day. Yawn.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.03
Leading up to his run as the ECW champ, Matt Hardy was the reason I watched Smackdown. I think it's really sad how far he fell, when for about a year and a half he was having some of the very best matches in the entire company. I hope some time away, and let's be honest, some time dealing with the bullshit in TNA, lets him get his shit together.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.95
Funny he went to all that trouble to work for the guy that once said this about him


    "Matt, you are a friggin goof. Lets set aside the fact that your brother is walking a "three strikes and you’re out"tight rope as a result of his drug abuse, and if internet "news" was accurate, suffered the loss of his home and property due to a fire because he was too irresponsible to insure it. Your recent recap of your "lifestyle" frames you as a candidate to the Jake Roberts Hall of Fame. Your suggestion that you and your generation are "smarter and more responsible" than previous generations of wrestlers makes me sick. You are a mid-card talent that should be grateful to even get a check every other week. Enjoy it while it lasts. And rather than looking down your nose at previous generations of professional wrestlers, donate a portion of your check to one of them and ask them to point out all the parallels between your current career path/lifestyle and theirs. It would be the smartest and most responsible thing you could do." - Eric Bischoff on his official website on January 9, 2009


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
A few months ago, Matt and a few of the other OMEGA alumni were talking about how OMEGA wasn't dead, just on a long hiatus. I wonder what the chances are of them reforming OMEGA? With Matt & Jeff's built in fan base, I could see it easily surpassing Ring of Honor and, depending on who they brought in with them, possibly even TNA.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.63
    Originally posted by InVerse
    A few months ago, Matt and a few of the other OMEGA alumni were talking about how OMEGA wasn't dead, just on a long hiatus. I wonder what the chances are of them reforming OMEGA? With Matt & Jeff's built in fan base, I could see it easily surpassing Ring of Honor and, depending on who they brought in with them, possibly even TNA.


Really? Omega?




Really?

Their "built in fan base" isn't large enough to get them a TV deal, even on local access.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by StaggerLee

    Their "built in fan base" isn't large enough to get them a TV deal, even on local access.


I'm referring to the fans of Matt & Jeff, not necessarily OMEGA itself. If they were to reform OMEGA complete with Shane Helms & Shannon Moore, I think they could be profitable pretty quickly. I'm not saying they'd get a TV deal right off the bat but I don't think you necessarily need a TV deal to beat ROH or TNA.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Neither TNA nor ROH are actually profitable, so it wouldn't take a lot to beat them.

To get a promotion started takes a lot of work. I'm sure it wouldn't be much of a problem to run a couple OMEGA reunion shows, but getting a machine in play to book buildings and talent and get DVD production done and promote the events so people are still coming after they've seen Jeff and Matt a few times is a lot of work and a lot of hustle. Though Matt clearly has enough time on his hands.

Jeff has had little recent effect on TNA house shows. Maybe OMEGA would be different, but the difference between music and wrestling is you can't just tour around playing your greatest hit, living off your fame. It wears out quicker.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.11
I'm just glad that he's finally gone. The reason he wasn't pushed to the moon was that he wasn't a very good wrestler, in my opinion. I only liked his early work, together with his brother, which lead to all those great TLC matches. But even then Matt wasn't the one who stood out.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    The reason he wasn't pushed to the moon was that he wasn't a very good wrestler, in my opinion.


He had several good matches during his v1.0 days and he's a damn sight better wrestler than John Cena. Cena's nose is better colored for success, however.

(edited by InVerse on 17.10.10 1056)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.89
    Originally posted by It's False
      Originally posted by StaggerLee
      -- Matt Hardy took to Twitter to comment on being officially released from his contract with World Wrestling Entertainment this afternoon, saying he "had to move on."

      "Thank God! :) I swear.. It was harder for me to get released then it was to get hired! This is ABSOLUTELY what I want, now I can be me! I wanna thank WWE for giving me an opportunity, & I thank all the people & friends that helped me there. But I HAD to move on to be happy. I wanna thank JR, who hired me, Michael Hayes, who taught me SO much, & Vince, for letting me make a living & learn from him for 12 years. While some of you make look at this as an ending-I promise you, this is THE MUTHAF*CKING BEGINNING FOR MATT HARDY! Now I can create change!"



      Via Rajah


    He's...really delusional.

    I mean...kinda REALLY delusional.

    Does he really think his career is better off without WWE? Was WWE really the ones holding him back?

    They gave him every chance in the world. Hell, Matt had a chance to make something of himself as recently as his last feud with Drew McIntyre. It's not WWE's fault that he made nothing of it. It's not WWE's fault he gained all that weight. It's not WWE's fault he lost all his motivation.

    He's a very delusional man.


Just based on the Twitter post and recent videos he's made, though, I don't think he's talking exclusively about his wrestling career. Maybe now he'll have more time to work on side projects, maybe certain elements of the WWE lifestyle had him burned out and disillusioned - I don't know what the real deal is more than anyone else does, but I think it's oversimplifying things to call him delusional just because he feels he's better off not being in WWE.
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Tyler Durden
      The reason he wasn't pushed to the moon was that he wasn't a very good wrestler, in my opinion.


    He had several good matches during his v1.0 days and he's a damn sight better wrestler than John Cena. Cena's nose is better colored for success, however.

    (edited by InVerse on 17.10.10 1056)

Are you trying to say Cena brown-nosed himself into his position? Because that's RIDICULOUS. Cena busted his ass and earned every second of his push & his spot.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.66
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Originally posted by InVerse
        Originally posted by Tyler Durden
        The reason he wasn't pushed to the moon was that he wasn't a very good wrestler, in my opinion.


      He had several good matches during his v1.0 days and he's a damn sight better wrestler than John Cena. Cena's nose is better colored for success, however.

      (edited by InVerse on 17.10.10 1056)

    Are you trying to say Cena brown-nosed himself into his position? Because that's RIDICULOUS. Cena busted his ass and earned every second of his push & his spot.


I agree with Spiff to a point on this. Cena did have the look for the business, but he was the one who came up with the rap gimmick. He also had good to great matches with Eddie, Taker and others when he was on Smackdown. Now, he did seem to dump that at the drop of a hat when they began the Champ stuff.

Matt has a great mind for the business and did have one of the better storylines with MVP not too long as well as his feud with Jeff. Matt just doesn't have the look for the business that Jeff, Cena and others do. I do think Matt on some level knows this, but what probably pisses him off seeing people like A-train, Khali and the endless amount of big dump guys who can't wrestle that Vince employees who pass him by due to their look. The other problem with Matt is I do not think he is all that stable. The stories of evil Matt even before Youtube and his reactions after the Lita/Edge, leads me to believe he suffers from some mental disorder. I don't blame WWE for firing him this time, the last time was a PR move that blew up in their face.
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff

    Are you trying to say Cena brown-nosed himself into his position? Because that's RIDICULOUS. Cena busted his ass and earned every second of his push & his spot.


I'm not saying that Cena doesn't deserve the position that he's in, but there are several people who were just as, if not more, talented than Cena who were never anointed in the manner that he was. You don't stay in the position that Cena is in for as long as Cena has been there without playing politics.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.81
Matt Hardy has always been a lot more popular than his push, there's no denying that. Even as Matt Hardy's Dad in 2009-10, people still loved him -- listen to the pop he gets at the Royal Rumble before being dumped out in ten seconds. Above all else Matt needs to get healthy, get clean, and get grapes. But WWE hasn't done that well by him outside of 2007-08 either.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.94
    Originally posted by InVerse
    You don't stay in the position that Cena is in for as long as Cena has been there without playing politics.


You're exactly right. Because politics--no matter the field--is a really game of "What have you done for me lately?" And when Vince McMahon asks John Cena that question, Mr. Cena replies, "I sell more merchandise than anyone you employ currently as a wrestler."

And then Mr. McMahon says, "Oh, yeah, that's right..." and votes for Cena. That's why he's still at the top.

If not Cena, then who? If Not Austin, then who? If not Hogan, then who? Daniel Bryan? The Rock or HHH? Randy Savage or Bret Hart?

Politics is definitely a part of being the top guy, but so is the absence of someone else to assume that spot with equal financial rewards. Is this a circular argument?

"Well, wrestler X doesn't get any pushes."

"Well, that's because wrestler X isn't popular/lacks 'it'."

"Well, that's because wrestler X isn't given the chance to be popular; no one knows if he has 'it'."

"Well, that's because he hasn't made use of the opportunities he's had to become popular (i.e., every match)."

And so on and so forth, ad infinitum.

As far Matt Hardy, I don't think it has anything to do with "mental instability," delusion or whatever; it has more to do with being a wrestler for almost 20 years and turning lemons into lemonade after the loss of a job at the company of record.





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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84
Cena has stayed in his position because he:
1) sells a ton of merchandise
2) generates big reactions (cheers & boos)
3) always delivers in big matches (he had watchable stuff with KHALI!)
4) tirelessly promotes the company
5) does a ton of charity work, most of which doesn't get publicized per Cena's wishes
6) brought in a ton of kids & women as fans

As for politics, the only guy I've heard criticize him was Kennedy, but all the top guys on Raw (Orton, HBK, HHH, Cena) didn't feel comfortable working with him, so I'm not going to blame Cena there. Cena is the one who suggested pushing Evan Bourne (although it hasn't really gone anywhere, but Cena is the one who went to bat for him). And if you watched the Kendrick/London shoot (if anyone was going to badmouth him, they'd do it, as neither has any desire to return to the WWE), Cena came up, and Kendrick's response was "nothing but good things to say about John". If there's some cases of him politicking I don't know about, please let me know.

I'll grant he's not the most talented, but the most talented doesn't necessarily rise to the top. Daniel Bryan's great - I love watching him. Jamie Noble was my favorite guy. London & Kendrick are awesome. Matt Hardy V1 was awesome. A lot of these talented guys just aren't Main Event material, due to lacking in other areas. That's the wrestling business. Doesn't stop me from still being a Cena fan, though.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.78
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I don't blame WWE for firing him this time, the last time was a PR move that blew up in their face.


The Edge/Lita/Matt situation and firing did blow up in their face at first. But it sure worked out for them.
The fans sided with Matt and hated Edge.
They solved it well by rehiring him, getting Matt over while still making him lose the feud AND propelling Edge into superheel stardom, while Matt still remained where he was. Midcard.

This time they also did the smart thing.
Let Matt blow a fuse on the internet until a lot of people are like "Whatever, weirdo...". He is now damaged goods.

Sure, we talk a lot about him but I don't really care if he shows up in TNA or not because I assume he'll just be the same weirdo who delivers his line in a crappy way while thinking he some sort of dark knight avenger type.




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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.11
    Originally posted by InVerse
      Originally posted by Tyler Durden
      The reason he wasn't pushed to the moon was that he wasn't a very good wrestler, in my opinion.


    He had several good matches during his v1.0 days and he's a damn sight better wrestler than John Cena. Cena's nose is better colored for success, however.

    (edited by InVerse on 17.10.10 1056)



That depends on what you think makes a wrestler good or great. If you only look at the in-ring part, then you may be right. But then you could also say that the Brooklyn Brawler was a damn sight better wrestler than Hulk Hogan, but Hogan's nose was better colored for success. My point is, Matt Hardy simply doesn't have "IT" and that's why he will (or at least should) never win any major world championship.
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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.09
    Originally posted by Tyler Durden
    Matt Hardy simply doesn't have "IT"


I disagree. I've always thought that Matt Hardy had the It Factor. As far back as seven years ago, I predicted that John Cena vs Matt Hardy would "have it's spot as the Hogan vs. Savage feud of the new millennium."

Obviously, I was half-wrong, though I don't believe it has anything to do with Matt Hardy's talent, charisma or incalculables. I think it's purely a matter of attitude and backstage bias. Hardy certainly brought some of that down on himself, but much of it comes down to a pointless chicken & egg argument.

To be clear, I have no problem with the WWE releasing Matt Hardy at this point. My issue is with their use of him over the last 5 or 6 years.

(Hey, at least the other half of my prediction in that thread came true: "Forget Angle vs. Lesnar". Whatever happened to those guys?)
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