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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.96
So I came into work yesterday to see a movie, and my manager tells me "Hey, we're watching Matrix tonight" and I'm all "Sweet! It better rule!". To kill time, I go to see The Human Stain (which is fantastic on three levels) and then I came out and we all watched the Matrix Revolutions. Here are my thoughts. Beware of spoilers, because I don't feel like holding anything back.

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Want to know how the Matrix ends? Simple. They just stop fighting. Neo & Trinity take Niobe's ship to the machine city, where they crash and Trinity dies (again). Neo makes a deal with the machines to bring peace if he can stop Agent Smith, which he does in a cool final fight...by letting Smith copy himself onto Neo. Neo dies, but it allows the machines to "hack" into all the Smiths, freeing everybody Smith ever copied himself onto. The machines attacking Zion stop and just leave. Everyone rejoyces.

WHAT WORKED:
-The CGI was excellent. You could tell that the Wachowski's had a lot of fun playing with all their crazy trinkets that they could buy after the supersuccess that was the original Matrix.
-The actor playing Bain (the guy Smith "hacked into" in Reloaded) talked exactly like Smith, but was clearly NOT Hugo Weaving.
-The seige of Zion was portrayed excellently...as I kinda got the notion that they were fighting a losing battle.

WHAT DIDN'T WORK:
-Cliche after cliche after cliche. Zee tells her friend that she's making shells because "It's the only way I'll ever see Lock again". Then, she & Lock share a tearful reunion. The Kid (who we see for 30 seconds in Reloaded) saves the day in allowing Niobe & Morpheus (piloting someone else's ship) to get back into Zion and stop the machines. Trinity's speech and then dying in Neo's arms. The sunrise at the end of the movie! A lot of cliches to stomach in one sitting.
-The lack of explanation. The machines stop fighting just because Neo asks them to. Why? Why not? We're never given a reason for why they fought in the first place. Was Smith the only reason people fought each other in and out of the Matrix? What happens to people in the Matrix after the movie? Aren't the humans pissed people are still in pods being harvested??

Overall, most people I saw the flick with (20-30) thought it kinda blew, except for about five. Honestly...I thought it was well-made, but it's like they ran out of story after the first movie and just decided to see how far they could get on effects alone. Revolutions will probably make a ton of money based on the Matrix name alone...but expect a lot of griping afterwards.


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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.34
Saw it this morning. They did an 8:00am showing, as opposed to the midnight screenings. I'm assuming it's due to the simultaneous rollout to avoid piracy?

I didn't hate it. But I'm kind of indifferent to it. I enjoyed it better than Reloaded, I guess, but I lowered my expectations. Effects were fantastic, story was kinda blah.

I'll see it again. 4 outta 5.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.10
The launch time was an organized effort. The studio decided to launch the movie simultaneously in around 70 countries at what they called "Zero Hour". It was a promotional gimmick.

Me, I was good with 1:20pm.

I had a friend who saw it at a trade screening a couple of weeks ago and, based on his input, I didn't have terribly high expectations, and I would ultimately say Revolutions is the one I like least of the three. But I still liked it quite a bit, and I can't complain too much at how they ended things. It certainly wasn't a definitive ending, but why would you kill a successful franchise?

(edited by Mr Heel II on 5.11.03 1655)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
I was very pleasantly surprised with a lot of it, actually. I mean, yeah, some stuff needed work (once more people have seen it, I'll talk about that, though.

As for Freeway.. I have a response, I think.

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First, the reasoning behind the machines agreeing to let Neo handle Smith was simple. If your computer was "smart," realized it had a virus but couldn't handle it on its own, wouldn't it search around for the best possible solution? Neo was there; he was the one who could destroy the virus. The machines needed that; otherwise, once Smith was in the infastructure, there was no getting rid of him (sans Neo's effort to eliminate Human Smith). The machines, weighing both the cost and problems associated with either 1) allowing Neo to stop him or 2) trying to stop Smith themselves, decided it would be better to sacrifice Neo to handle the Smith problem. (More on this later.)

Second, the peace. This was simply Neo's bargaining chip to fix the machines' problem. Now, remember what the Architect said from Reloaded - that this wasn't the first Matrix. The machines knew that - they had to have known that. Neo's sacrifice (and subsequent pullout) wasn't a big deal - they had probably been there before (the remainder of a perfect equation repeats itself if the equation is solved again). A peace now doesn't preclude war later (as the Architect again hinted at at the end of this one). As for why they fought in the first place ... Morpheus' speech from the first movie, plus I think the humans try to break out from Zion. We'd be stupid like that.

I believe the people in the Matrix (that had been taken over by Smith) had their memories restored and went on with their lives. Yeah, the humans would know, but would you do anything about that if you had no method of defense when they tried to attack you?

I actually think the ending was better off not being definitive. I personally thought the "fixed" Matrix was actually a new version of the Matrix (the 7th?), with its own variables. (If anyone's ever read the Wheel of Time series, that's what I'm thinking of.) Nothing wrong with that, in my eyes.






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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
After watching that crapfest (the Smith/Neo fight was awesome though) I can't help but wonder if an actual ending will be included on the DVD as a deleted scene. Of course I won't be renting and/or buying that thing, so it's pretty moot.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.52
I think a lot of people were under the impression Revolutions would clarify any misconceptions presented in the philosophy of Reloaded. Instead, there is no explanation of things. We don't learn more about Merovingian, who was an important character in Reloaded. His wife is back with him for no good reason, and the Trainman just shows up and does nothing.

The battle in the dock was well done, but nowhere near the level of the previous film's highway chase. The characters used in the big battle between man and machine were all introduced just a few months ago in Reloaded. The audience has no attachment or reason to care about them. For instance, Morpheus would have well-suited to be leading the soldiers in the robot-suits. Instead, it's that captain who was in Reloaded for about 30 seconds. Even Morpheus is left with little to do in this. Not even a motivational speech. The best we got was Trinity's sappy sob story.

What happened to Smith anyway? Did Hugo Weaving sit down and watch tapes of Vince McMahon promos before filming this one? In the previous movies, he was intimidating because of his low-key delivery. He only went over the top when necessary. I really think in this one, his over the top character was justified, seeing as whole he controlled the entire Matrix. Also, I think the Smith/Neo fight looked way too much like a Dragonball Z fight. I almost expected Piccolo to distract Smith while Neo charged a Kamehameha wave for 20 minutes.
By the way, the clip where Smith is in mid-air with lightning flashing behind him is going to be my wallpaper for a long time.

I wouldn't say it was a truly bad movie, but just a bad Matrix movie. People expected closure and explanation, but got none, the same feeling many had at the end of T3. It's kind of sad that The Matrix was an entirely new concept in 1999. It even made a decent follow-up, only to let down those expecting answers with a film that's become passe. After the credits rolled, all I could do was sigh and say "Oh well, there's always 'Return of the King'."

(edited by that1870sguy on 6.11.03 0154)
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.65
I was actually quite impressed with the movie.

I liked it, it got the bad taste I had after Reloaded out of my mouth (and even reloaded wasn't that bad after seeing it on dvd two weeks ago)

The way I see it, the reason Smith went over the top was because he..well.he hates the damn place, he hates everything and everyone.
He hinted at his insanity and hatred in part 1, with the whole 'humans are a virus' speech, and now in 3 (where really HE is the virus) he is on his mission to do something about that. What probably helps is the fact that he isn't part of the machine anymore.

Weaving made the movie imo.


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I loved the fact that the Oracle simply said the Architect always talks like the way he did in Reloaded. Simply by saying that she dismissed for a large part all that crap he was hammering on about (even though in the end he seems to be right).

I love the battle between Neo and Smith. That whole thing where Smith says he 'saw' it in the future, and then suddenly things go wrong for him was great. Calling him Neo for the first time and being so confused. awesome.
I figured the moment Neo said it was inevitable what he was going to do, just seconds prior I realised he could never beat Smith in a fight.

I liked the ending. Basically the whole thing was reset again. But what changes did Neo help make?
Someone said it wasn't a big deal to the machine because they have been there before. BUt have they? Until now, all earlier Neo's opted to reinsert into the code when they were at the Architect's place. Or so they made it sound. Neo is the first one who went on after that, did a whole lotta more shit, perhaps made the machines see they have to work together..

What really happened? Who are the people that the architect will let go? Those that now live in Zion? Or just the next generation of those that want to live outside. ANd where will they go?
The simple fact that there were more questions at the end than answers is what I liked. Unlike part 2 with all the computer-style bullshit it leaves a lot for your own imagination.

I liked it..now we go prepare for Return of the King
(in Holland they played the trailer before M:R...I almost soiled my pants..


(edited by dMp on 6.11.03 0951)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Say it yesterday at "Zero Hour"! Don't quite know what to say, it wasn't really the ending I wanted to see although I'm not sure exactly what i DID want to see. I liked most of it, though. Weaving was brilliant but the guy who did played Bane also impressed the hell out of me. I'll see it again next week.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
I thought it was a fun movie.

I also thought the final fight looked very Dragonball Z. I was expecting a Spirit Bomb myself. But it was still awesome.

And yes, Hugo definately made that flick. But I thought he was the best part of the fist 2.

But I'm still trying to figure out a part of the ending.

Here's my theory, feel free to comment or ammend.


SPOILERS START NOW:

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I'm wondering how Smith was destroyed. Here's my theory.
When Neo allowed Smith to copy himself onto him, it reconnected Smith to the Machine. (In reloaded Smith says that he's "disconnected.")

Once the Machine had a hard connection to Smith (via Neo's body) then the Machine was able to, basically, Ctrl-A then Delete.

But I'm trying to figure out how Smith was able to copy himslef onto the millions of people already hardwired to the Matrix and not be vulnerable to the Machine.

Maybe I missed something.






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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.52
Again, the movie wasn't horrible, just underwhelming in general.
The only thing that REALLY pissed me off?
No Rage Against the Machine song in the credits!

(edited by that1870sguy on 6.11.03 1209)
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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Freeway, the reason behind why the machines were fighting the humans is explained in the Animatrix. I believe it was The Second Renaissance.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.68
Looking at the feedback and the reactions, it was probably a big fricking mistake for WB to advertise the matrix revolutions with the whole "all will be revealed" bs in the ads. "Everything that has a beginning, has an end." Yeah right. The story of the matrix continues in matrix online :-)





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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
I believe my exact words when leaving the cinema were "Bleargh". What a mess. I'm not gonna go into too much detail because I've just finished a review for 411 and it'll all be up there soon, but wow. The first Matrix was something special; these last two have felt like nothing more than self-indulgent marketting ploys.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
I have nothing to complain about with this movie. They answered the questions they had to and didn't resort to the horrible matrix w/in a matrix. Thought it was cool that we finally got a fight in the real world without all the special effects. THey also did a good job of not over using the bullet time so when they gave us the slo-mo of Smith getting punched in the face it was a huge payoff.

Nice of Smith to fall for stupid heel tricks 101 not once but twice. First while in Bane he decides to tell Neo exactly who he is before shooting him with the gun. Then instead of fighting him a billion to one he goes one on one and loses.

I too got DBZ flashbacks during the final fight scene. I also agree that the peace can't last. The machines will still be living off of humans. So how can the humans in zion put up with so many people still being in the Matrix?



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24
Reading all the negative reviews that I've seen so far, especially concerning the ending, I'm not sure what people were wanting out of this. I couldn't see the movie series going anywhere else in it's path than where it went, considering how it was set up in Reloaded. The movie and it's ideas seemed to make sense to me. I didn't see any problems with the plot, and the dialogue/acting was no hammier than the previous Matrix movies, in my opinion.

I mean, were people expecting some kind of ID4-type ending, where the humans stand triumphant over their oppressors, as a ray of sunlight peaks through the scorched sky? Or were you expecting some Twilight Zone ending where we discover that everyone is still plugged into the Matrix? The Revolutions haters out there seem to be so disgusted with the end of the movie, yet I don't seem to see anyone out there trying to come up with a better idea.

Personally, I thought the ending was fine (I'd discuss it further in spoiler form, but I don't know how to black out my text).

As far as the "marketing ploys", I noticed that there were no advertisements or product placements to be seen anywhere in the movie. Nor were there any big name musicians on this soundtrack (outside of Juno Reactor helping out Don Davis). I found this refreshing, as it said to me, ok, it's time to cut to teh chase in the movie...we got all the other BS out of the way in Reloaded.

Eh, I'm probably in the minority here (as it seems to be), but I enjoyed it tremendously, and thought it to be a great ending to the franchise. I'm looking forward to seeing this movie again...and again...and again.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.40
The only product placement I remember was the big Powerade poster on the subway wall while they were chasing the Trainman. Also were those Tollhouse cookies that the Oracle was making?



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.22
"I didn't see any problems with the plot, and the dialogue/acting was no hammier than the previous Matrix movies, in my opinion."

No worse than Reloaded maybe. Much much worse than the original. As was the characterisation. As was the incessant pandering to the Wachowskis' own personal fetishes.





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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
Anyone catch the "Tasty Wheat" poster in the Trainman chase?

I thought that was a nice touch.

I have no problems with the ending, other than I'm just trying to figure out exactly what happened.

I understand the effect, just not all the causes.



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.24

    No worse than Reloaded maybe. Much much worse than the original. As was the characterisation. As was the incessant pandering to the Wachowskis' own personal fetishes.


I disagree, because I thought that the dialogue or hamminess was just as bad at times in the original, especially Trinity's little profession of love after Neo "dies" in the first movie. Hell, pretty much everything between Neo and Trinity was sappy in all of the movies.

The only place where I felt that a character was weaker in Revolutions was Morpheus. Then again, what the hell else is he going to do in this one?


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He's only human, and not the One, and didn't love Neo like Trinity did, so he's not going to go with Neo to the Machine City. And Niobe was the only one who could pilot the hovercraft through the industrial (I think) tunnels, so he was pretty much regulated to co-pilot at that point. Afetr that, it was grab a gun and protect Zion. There's not much he really could have done otherwise at this point in the series...it's pretty much in the hands of Neo, as he predicted/believed. So, his character was going to be dimimshed by the end of the series in any case.


As far as the fetish thing goes, I'm assuming you're talking about the constant S&M theme, but that's been something running throughout the whole series in some form or another.

I do love the first movie a lot...I just don't hold it on this great untouchable pedestal that others seem to. It has plenty of flaws to it...in my opinion just as much as the followups. What the first one had that the others didn't was the initial sense of surprise and wonderment, because we didn't know what to expect. After that, the movie became one big-ass sci-fi kung-fu flick. The series continued to be one big-ass sci-fi kung fu flick, but without the surprise of the original. Outside of doing something extremely lame like a "Matrix inside a Matrix" shock ending (which is what I was dreading they'd do), you're not going to have much to work with for a surprise factor. You pretty much knew that there'd be a big battle in Zion between the machines and humans, and you knew that things would boil down to Neo and whomever (in this case, it turned out to be Smith) at the end, just like it did in the original movie. It was just up to the Wachowski's to get the viewers to that point.

Ultimately it doesn't matter...if you didn't like the movie, you'll continue to not like it, no matter what people like I say. And vice versa. In my case, I guess I liked it beacsue I didn't think it was that much lower than the original, nor did I think that the original was perfect or any different in it's message than the follow-ups.

On a slightly different tangent...I found this on a discussion on the 411 board, and thought it'd be interesting for people to check out if they didn't understand parts of the overall story. The person on the thread didn't give credit to the original author if this, so I have no clue who it is.

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This is a quick sort of MATRIX FOR DUMMIES that explains the series. Take no offense I don't think of anyone as dumb, but there is a lot of confusion about this series, especially the ending to Revolutions. NOTE SPOILERS ALL THROUGH THIS REVIEW.

Zion is real! The Matrix is not. The Matrix was designed to provide a mental stimulus for the human bodies connected to the machines as a source of power. This is the sixth version of the Matrix. There have been multiple versions of the Matrix because of a flaw in the program (kinda of like Windows). That flaw is giving individuals the ability to choose. The first Matrix was designed as a perfect uptopia (see pt. I - Smith explains it to Morpheus; pt. II - The Architect explains it again)but humans did not accept it as real. It was redesigned to reflect our civilization at it's last stage before it was taken over by the machines (the year 1999).

The Architect's problem with this new design (the anomoly)of the Matrix is that it require individuals to think freely, i.e. choice. It was the Oracle that suggested he redesign the Matrix in this way. But since humans have choices, so must the programs sent to watch over them, i.e. The Agents, thus bringing us the problem that is Mr. Smith. In Reloaded, The Architect continues to speak of the anomoly he is unable to get rid of, which is why at some point, he feels the only solution is to destroy the Matrix and those who are aware of it (the people of Zion) and start from scratch again. The Oracle says it clearly in Revolutions. Mr. Smith is the result of the anomoly trying to balance itself. Mr. Smith began to think freely and the result was a negative one. Realize this, he is a similar program to the One so he is far more dangerous than a normal individual who makes bad decisions. Mr. Smith's virus like behavior happened in EVERY VERSION OF THE MATRIX. The result would always lead to the same thing -- a system crash if they didn't quickly reboot the system. The same knee jerk reaction you have when you realize someone has sent you a virus. The One program was created to solve this problem. But each version of the One ultimately failed.

Neo is different, in Reloaded he choose the door that led to Trinity, not the door that RESETS the program. Note: The Architect even noticed that Neo's experience in the Matrix was different than all the rest, realizing he was the first of them to fall in love.

Onto Revolutions: Neo's choice has changed everything. The system is still threatened, so the Oracle makes a new choice; one she has never done before because no version of the One has ever chosen the difficult path as opposed to easy one of just resetting the system. She allows herself to become merged with Smith in the hopes that she'll be able to help Neo when the time is right. Neo makes another unique choice. He goes to the machines and asks for peace as opposed to simply destroying the system by going through the opposite door as all other versions of the One did. It was a simple as that to save Zion. Machines don't need very long to process that this may be a better idea than just constantly resetting the system.

At the end, Smith says to Neo the movies tagline, as the Oracle is speaking to Neo through Smith. Neo realizes it all along, the only way to end this is to sacrifice himself. The Oracle noted that Neo and the Source (the computer mainframe, the Architect they're all one and the same so don't get confused) are connected which is why he can control machines outside the Matrix. He uses this connection to his advantage. He becomes a Mr. Smith and since all the Smith's are connected, the Source now has a lock on Smith and simply deletes him. Pretty simple huh?

For those that like biblical references, note the Jesus references all through the movie. Heck, the French Man is the Devil, just read the elevator button Morpheous presses when he goes to see him for the second time. The Architect must be God - i.e. he destroys the world as has you to chose a select group of people to restart Zion again sort of like Noah's Ark. Neo is Jesus, the one who realizes that peace and love is the answer, not war. And the Oracle represents the Holy Spirit - the conciousness that resides in all of us. It's a deep trilogy if you pay attention.



(edited by PNHDoug on 7.11.03 0927)

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
While I'm not one to debate every single little meaning, I'll say that I certainly enjoyed the movie and the ending did exactly what it was supposed to do. Conclude the story and not leave me wanting for more.

Kudos to the Wachowskis for three awesome movies.





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