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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.47
I have been thinking about all the old school match types and can't help thinking how cool it would be for some of them to be brought back at least once.

Battle Bowl/ Leathel Lottery

The rules were simple a set number of teams would fight with the winners going on to a battle royal. The teams would be chosen at " Random " when they were picked out of one of thoes things they use at the rumble. Clasic Teams were Vade and Dustin Rohdes, Sting and Abdulla the Butcher, Jhonny B. Badd and catus Jack. Teams would face each other and rivels would be on the same team.

War Games

I guess we hace the Elemation Chamber for this but

The rules were 2 teams of 4 would battle in a two ring cage match. one member of both teams would start and one by one the other members would enter till all eight were in then it was Submit or Surrender. no pins.


3 stages of hell

in all Logic a 2 out of 3 falls match but each fall had it's own rules. Such as Hard core, Cage, ladder.
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#2 Posted on
WCW put on a tournament of sorts way back when. Only 4 guys: Luger, Sting, Ric Flair, and The Great Muta. Each guy faced all of the others, different points for how they won (20 points for pin or submission, 10 for count out or DQ, 5 for a draw IIRC), most points at the end of the night won. I think they did a tag team version as well. Be an interesting way to do a #1 contender's tournament, or a tourney for a vacated title.



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#3 Posted on
    Originally posted by CEOIII
    WCW put on a tournament of sorts way back when. Only 4 guys: Luger, Sting, Ric Flair, and The Great Muta. Each guy faced all of the others, different points for how they won (20 points for pin or submission, 10 for count out or DQ, 5 for a draw IIRC), most points at the end of the night won. I think they did a tag team version as well. Be an interesting way to do a #1 contender's tournament, or a tourney for a vacated title.


Yup, they did a tag version as well, and the then-unheralded Doom won it.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.60
Has WWE ever done a 'three stages of hell' match since Triple H and Austin had that classic back in 2001? I sort of figured that would become HHH's signature match due to the three-triple connection, but he seems to have glommed onto the Hell in the Cell as well.

Is there a reason, besides the fact that Vince doesn't like to use creations that aren't his own, that WWE couldn't do a WarGames now? I thought the reason they avoided it in the past was because Dusty Rhodes owned the rights to the match, or something, but Dusty is now on board.



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#5 Posted on

    Has WWE ever done a 'three stages of hell' match since Triple H and Austin had that classic back in 2001? I sort of figured that would become HHH's signature match due to the three-triple connection, but he seems to have glommed onto the Hell in the Cell as well.


Triple H vs HBK at... I wanna say Armageddon 2002, featuring a Street Fight, Cage Match and a Ladder Match where Trips regained the World Heavyweight title.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
Triple H has pushed for doing a Wargames a few times, most notably for Evolution at Survivor Series '04, but Vince always nixes it. So if Hunter can't get it through, you know Vince must hate it.

I'm guessing the reason they don't do 3 Stages of Hell anymore is because it burns up three stipulations in one, and gimmick matches are really the only thing that moves BUYS one way or another, especially in this day and age when the top programs get stretched over 2-3 PPVs.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by CEOIII
      WCW put on a tournament of sorts way back when. Only 4 guys: Luger, Sting, Ric Flair, and The Great Muta. Each guy faced all of the others, different points for how they won (20 points for pin or submission, 10 for count out or DQ, 5 for a draw IIRC), most points at the end of the night won. I think they did a tag team version as well. Be an interesting way to do a #1 contender's tournament, or a tourney for a vacated title.


    Yup, they did a tag version as well, and the then-unheralded Doom won it.


It was the Road Warriors that won the team tournament. I always loved that Starrcade, as we got to see Warriors vs Steiners for the first time, as well as Sting-Luger, Sting-Flair, and Muta-Flair all on the same night. The show gets some bad press, but as a kid, I loved it!

I would also like to see the return of the 3 Stages of Hell, but I assumed it was too hard on the wrestlers. Hell, I would settle for a simple 2 out of 3 falls match, which we rarely see anymore.




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    Originally posted by kentish
    Hell, I would settle for a simple 2 out of 3 falls match, which we rarely see anymore.
The last 2/3 match was Beth Phoenix beating Candice Michelle in two straight falls, which was a disaster because Michelle broke her collarbone.

The last 2/3 match before THAT was MVP beating Chris Benoit in two straight falls, which was a disaster because it caused Benoit to kill his wife, child and self. I THINK that was the timeline, anyway.

In short...how come WWE 2/3 matches don't go three falls anymore? Are they trying to confuse me?

Best 2/3 falls match: Angle/Guerrero
Runner-up: Jannetty/Doink



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#9 Posted on
    Originally posted by kentish
      Originally posted by Hokienautic
        Originally posted by CEOIII
        WCW put on a tournament of sorts way back when. Only 4 guys: Luger, Sting, Ric Flair, and The Great Muta. Each guy faced all of the others, different points for how they won (20 points for pin or submission, 10 for count out or DQ, 5 for a draw IIRC), most points at the end of the night won. I think they did a tag team version as well. Be an interesting way to do a #1 contender's tournament, or a tourney for a vacated title.


      Yup, they did a tag version as well, and the then-unheralded Doom won it.


    It was the Road Warriors that won the team tournament.


Doh, you're right. I think I was confusing that from when Doom won the titles as an unheralded team. Was that Starrcade when Doom *lost* every single match and started their split? I remember there being something noteworthy about Doom. lol.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
>Hell, I would settle for a simple 2 out of 3 falls match,
>which we rarely see anymore.

I would like to introduce you to CMLL.



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#11 Posted on
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Doh, you're right. I think I was confusing that from when Doom won the titles as an unheralded team. Was that Starrcade when Doom *lost* every single match and started their split? I remember there being something noteworthy about Doom. lol.

I think this was when Doom realized they sucked with the masks on and with Woman as their manager, so they ditched both shortly after.

EDIT: Wiki helped me remember better. Starrcade started a losing streak for Doom that led to them losing as mask match to Steiners, ditching Woman, and finally hiring Teddy Long and thriving as a team. Whew!

(edited by SchippeWreck on 8.1.08 0824)


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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.79
I might be the only one, but I really liked the World War 3 concept. The execution was lacking at times (ok, all the time) but having 60 wrestlers in a match was pretty cool. And the three-ring setup let the cruiserweights do some innovative things.



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    Originally posted by CRZ
    The last 2/3 match before THAT was MVP beating Chris Benoit in two straight falls, which was a disaster because it caused Benoit to kill his wife, child and self. I THINK that was the timeline, anyway.


I'll admit it. I chuckled.



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#14 Posted on
    Originally posted by ironcladlou
    And the three-ring setup let the cruiserweights do some innovative things.


Sure, during matches that weren't World War 3.

The same thing can be achieved from a Wargames. The beauty in that is we wouldn't have to suffer through World War 3.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.99
    Originally posted by cfgb
      Originally posted by ironcladlou
      And the three-ring setup let the cruiserweights do some innovative things.


    Sure, during matches that weren't World War 3.

    The same thing can be achieved from a Wargames. The beauty in that is we wouldn't have to suffer through World War 3.


See, the thing I liked about WW3 was that we got to see a bunch of Japanese/Mexican guys that we don't normally see. Of course, we only saw them in with about 20 other guys per ring, and they didn't really do much....okay, I take it back. WW3 sucked.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
    Originally posted by CRZ
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      Originally posted by kentish
      Hell, I would settle for a simple 2 out of 3 falls match, which we rarely see anymore.
    The last 2/3 match was Beth Phoenix beating Candice Michelle in two straight falls, which was a disaster because Michelle broke her collarbone.

    The last 2/3 match before THAT was MVP beating Chris Benoit in two straight falls, which was a disaster because it caused Benoit to kill his wife, child and self. I THINK that was the timeline, anyway.

    In short...how come WWE 2/3 matches don't go three falls anymore? Are they trying to confuse me?

    Best 2/3 falls match: Angle/Guerrero
    Runner-up: Jannetty/Doink


I didn't remember that it was a 2/3 falls match when Candice was injured. Also, Flair and Foley had when they feuded 2 years ago that Flair also won in 2 straight falls. It is a weird trend.

And Hokienautic, it was Doom that lost every match. The surprising Samoan Swat Team were 2nd place, even beating the Steiners by DQ before losing to the Warriors in the last match to decide the winner. Muta also lost every match in the singles tourney, after going in undefeated, which always seemed odd.





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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
    Originally posted by ironcladlou
      Originally posted by cfgb
        Originally posted by ironcladlou
        And the three-ring setup let the cruiserweights do some innovative things.


      Sure, during matches that weren't World War 3.

      The same thing can be achieved from a Wargames. The beauty in that is we wouldn't have to suffer through World War 3.


    See, the thing I liked about WW3 was that we got to see a bunch of Japanese/Mexican guys that we don't normally see. Of course, we only saw them in with about 20 other guys per ring, and they didn't really do much....okay, I take it back. WW3 sucked.


No, no, no! Ignore that guy, WW3 didn't suck at all. What the problem was, was that WCW didn't have a decent PPV director who knew where to place the camera shots for all the action that was happening. What they needed was a split screen shot showing all three rings, then knock it down to two when there were enough guys eliminated, then down to a single shot with a corner shot for replays.

This might have made for some excellent crash tv and would have defineatly boosted the buy rates on replays.

I really like WW3 as well, and I wish the WWE would bring it back as a one off PPV or something.

I also really like the triple tiered cage from Ready to Rumble. If given the chance, I bet Foley could make a match with it and people would completely forget about his HITC match where he got thrown off it and through it. Undertaker, Kane, Helmsley, Ray Mysterio, Super Crazy, Chavo... I'm sure there's some others who would be perfect for a match using that cage. DAMNIT! Bring it back!!!



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
    Originally posted by thecubsfan
    >Hell, I would settle for a simple 2 out of 3 falls match,
    >which we rarely see anymore.

    I would like to introduce you to CMLL.


And as for the four man/team tournament with points system, the Japanese are all about that. Granted, it's usually much larger in scope (more participants), but same idea in terms of having the victors be the ones with the greatest number of points (and often those who are the victors of each bracket face off). New Japan is probably the most prominent example, with them using the points system for the G-1 Climax tournament and the Best of the Super Juniors tournament.

I could be mistaken, but I think WCW got the idea from New Japan in the first place.


    Originally posted by Cerebus
    No, no, no! Ignore that guy, WW3 didn't suck at all. What the problem was, was that WCW didn't have a decent PPV director who knew where to place the camera shots for all the action that was happening. What they needed was a split screen shot showing all three rings, then knock it down to two when there were enough guys eliminated, then down to a single shot with a corner shot for replays.


You have a point in that often times, WCW's live feed directors sucked quite a bit. TNA seems to run into the same problem. HOWEVER, while it would have improved the concept, you still have the problem of there being so many guys, even split between three rings, that nothing really interesting can happen until about 40 or so people are eliminated. Additionally, having a three-way split-screen would most likely be pretty distracting no matter how it's executed or how hard commentators try to put emphasis on specific rings.

In short, it's one of those things that's a cool concept on paper and COULD be pulled off effectively, but it's such a nightmare getting to the point where it's even effective that there's no point in even attempting it. Besides, it'd take away from the novelty of the Rumble.

"War Games", on the other hand, I'm all for bringing back. But it's worth noting that WWE hasn't really booked strong heel stables in recent years that were large enough (eg. the Horsemen; nWo) to warrant the stipulation being used. I think if they were to build a strong enough four or five man group, solidify them as a faction and get them over enough, you'd definitely see that hand played again. I don't see it happening anytime soon, but it's still a possibility.

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    also really like the triple tiered cage from Ready to Rumble. If given the chance, I bet Foley could make a match with it and people would completely forget about his HITC match where he got thrown off it and through it. Undertaker, Kane, Helmsley, Ray Mysterio, Super Crazy, Chavo... I'm sure there's some others who would be perfect for a match using that cage. DAMNIT! Bring it back!!!


Eh...for one, I always saw the 'TRIPLE CAGE' was kind of goofy even though the match itself when they did it wasn't nearly as awful as I thought it'd be (until the finish). Two, I think we're better off not asking Mick Foley to do untold damage to himself, thank you very much. And three...did you seriously add Super Crazy and Chavo in there? Are we going to stack three cages for the main event of Sunday Night Heat?



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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.99
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    I really like WW3 as well, and I wish the WWE would bring it back as a one off PPV or something.


Y'know what'd be cool, but would never, ever happen? Cross-promotional WW3. WWE guys in one ring, TNA in another, ROH in the third. Of course, WWE could just do it with Raw/Smackdown/ECW. Of course, they'd have to beef up the ECW roster some. Oooh, or some combination of ROH, PWG, PWU, Chikara, JAPW, etc...wait, they all basically have the same people on their rosters. NJPW/AJPW/NOAH? Yeah, that'd work.

    Originally posted by Cerebus
    I also really like the triple tiered cage from Ready to Rumble. If given the chance, I bet Foley could make a match with it and people would completely forget about his HITC match where he got thrown off it and through it. Undertaker, Kane, Helmsley, Ray Mysterio, Super Crazy, Chavo... I'm sure there's some others who would be perfect for a match using that cage. DAMNIT! Bring it back!!!


You lost me here. The triple cage always seemed too gimmicky to me.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.29
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    What the problem was, was that WCW didn't have a decent PPV director who knew where to place the camera shots for all the action that was happening.


But there weren't no action that was happening. None whatsoever, except for Rey sometimes hanging on by a thread. I think WCW did have the split-screen, with three announce teams. It was unwatchable. It's just dudes punching each other or pretending to try to lift someone over the ropes. 60 dudes, which is kind of problematic when battle royals are only good when they get down to 7-8 guys at most.

I was enamoured with battle royals when I was a boy because it's like, what, all these dudes at the same time, FIGHTING, what could be cooler? But the factofthematter is that all those dudes can't do anything more than lock up and shove until the ring clears out. Which is why the Royal Rumble is to be treasured: it's 30 guys and battle royal rules, but there's always enough room unless they're filling up the ring in preparation for someone to clear it out.
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