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Since: 22.3.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
Has anyone taken the time to read the new marvel NOW! line? I just finished reading the Invincible Iron Man finale; I've been thinking of jumping in but I've really been hoping to hold off until after amazing spider-man #700 but i'm really curious to hear some opinions on the new direction.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
I've read Thor, Iron Man and Deadpool.

The latter is the same old silly fun, no big change, other than who his current employer is.

Iron Man was good. The story picks up after he's taken some time off to explore space it seems.
It also continues some of the 'faith vs science' themes that showed up at the end of AvX.

Thor..well with the art of Ribic you can't really go wrong imo.
The book is divided in 3 parts, each dealing with Thor in a different era (viking age, current, future) and how he is confronted with the same villain.
This is just the first one of course but I like the story so far.

Not a big X-men reader so I cannot help you there.
Though I did pick up AvX consequences (is that Marvel Now?) and I liked the story that was told there and how it ended.

I'll let you know more tomorrow after a bunch of new ones come out.





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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.45
Dumb question. Is Iron Man's origin still where he was imprisoned in Vietnam? If so, shouldn't Tony be like 70?
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.79
No, he's a fictional character. The Vietnam war started and ended within 6 months approximately 8 1/2 years ago in today's Marvel universe. World War Two was in fought throughout the year 2000, Captain America was revived in 2004 and we made it to the moon in 2005. The nation is still recovering from the tragic events of 4/2/2010, when the twin towers fell.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    No, he's a fictional character. The Vietnam war started and ended within 6 months approximately 8 1/2 years ago in today's Marvel universe. World War Two was in fought throughout the year 2000, Captain America was revived in 2004 and we made it to the moon in 2005. The nation is still recovering from the tragic events of 4/2/2010, when the twin towers fell.

Or, as The Doctor so eloquently puts it, "Timey-wimey."



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
Correct me if I'm wrong, but big reboots that rewrite entire sections of the universe don't really seem to be Marvel's style. Without that, there's never really a reason to re-explore the origin. They just stop mentioning the parts that conflict. Sweeping changes seem to be what the Ultimate Universe is for. Though wikipedia tells me that the origin story from "Ultimate Iron Man" is no longer canon, so I don't know if he even has one anymore.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 20.11.12 1135)
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Since: 28.2.02
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
We did have a thread for Uncanny Avengers #1 (The W) last month.

I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression the Marvel Season One (marvel.com) line of graphic novels are meant to be the new origins for Marvel's characters. They're revised versions of the first several issues of each title from the 60s.

I read X-Men: Season One, Fantastic Four: Season One, and Daredevil: Season One. They were okay. I'd like to read Avengers: Season One, but I think that's just packaged with the Walmart Avengers Blu-ray set (though again, I could be mistaken about that.)

(edited by John Orquiola on 20.11.12 1040)

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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.84
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    I'd like to read Avengers: Season One, but I think that's just packaged with the Walmart Avengers Blu-ray set (though again, I could be mistaken about that.)

No you're right, but a standalone hardcover will be released in March. (The W at Amazon)



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.45
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but big reboots that rewrite entire sections of the universe don't really seem to be Marvel's style. Without that, there's never really a reason to re-explore the origin. They just stop mentioning the parts that conflict. Sweeping changes seem to be what the Ultimate Universe is for. Though wikipedia tells me that the origin story from "Ultimate Iron Man" is no longer canon, so I don't know if he even has one anymore.

    (edited by Mr. Boffo on 20.11.12 1135)


Ugh, Ultimate Iron Man had a HORRIBLE origin IIRC. Some crap about brain cells all throughout his body which made him super smart, but also gave him horrible headaches that led him to alcoholism.

Normally the time issue isn't a big deal. For Cap, he just has to be frozen longer, but Tony's is different.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.84

The weird thing about the non-specific origins of Marvel characters is that many of them had Cold War tie-ins (Iron Man, FF, Pyms, Hulk, SHIELD) or related to radiation (Spidey, DD, X-Men).

Some can be transposed to modern times with little tweaking, but I'm an old fussbucket who blanches as seeing the FF launch the rocket "10 years ago/"

(Same with seeing young Clark Kent with a cell phone and laptop)



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    Some can be transposed to modern times with little tweaking, but I'm an old fussbucket who blanches as seeing the FF launch the rocket "10 years ago/"

    (Same with seeing young Clark Kent with a cell phone and laptop)


SpaceX is doing that now. It's not too far-fetched for Reed to develop manned missions 10 years ago in real time, he is super smart, after all.



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Since: 22.3.02
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    No, he's a fictional character. The Vietnam war started and ended within 6 months approximately 8 1/2 years ago in today's Marvel universe. World War Two was in fought throughout the year 2000, Captain America was revived in 2004 and we made it to the moon in 2005. The nation is still recovering from the tragic events of 4/2/2010, when the twin towers fell.


Not quite how they do it. Marvel's timeline seems to operate on about a 10 or 15 year loop. Iron man's origin has been ret-conned to Afghanistan. Captain America's history is the easiest to hold on to because they can just say he was on ice until he wasn't. Peter Parker looks to be around 25-26 now, and Franklin Richards is 7 or 8 years old.

Some events actually establish some time has passed in comic book land. Steve Rogers was dead for a little over a year in the 616 universe.

One of the biggest problems I had when the ultimate line first launched was that it wasted a lot of time with pop culture references so any re-reads automatically feel outdated.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.79
After my original posting I hit on the much better idea. Everything still started in 1938/9, but science/technology/society advanced at such a rapid pace due to the introduction of superheroes/villains/technology/aliens that now all stories take place in a super-advanced 2012-esque 1955.

So a "Comic book year" is equivalent to 5 real years.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.21
    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    After my original posting I hit on the much better idea. Everything still started in 1938/9, but science/technology/society advanced at such a rapid pace due to the introduction of superheroes/villains/​​technology/aliens that now all stories take place in a super-advanced 2012-esque 1955.

    So a "Comic book year" is equivalent to 5 real years.

I read something once that did some calculations equivalent to this. It was based on how much time it took Robin to graduate high school or something like that. I can't remember where I read it from and I can't locate any details at the moment. Wikipedia tells me in pre-Crisis continuity, Dick Grayson went to college in 1969, and estimates put him at 10 or 12 when his parents died in 1940. If he was 12, that's about 4 years IRL for every comic book year. Pretty close.

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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.88
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo


    Ugh, Ultimate Iron Man had a HORRIBLE origin IIRC. Some crap about brain cells all throughout his body which made him super smart, but also gave him horrible headaches that led him to alcoholism.

    Normally the time issue isn't a big deal. For Cap, he just has to be frozen longer, but Tony's is different.


I liked the different origin. Though it also meant he had to wear blue goo to protect his skin/brain and iirc he could regrow body parts as a result.
But it was different.
They have since then ignored that origin and in the new Ultimate Iron-man (mini)series seem to redo parts of it at least.

The changing time lines never really bother me, though it does make me wonder if there's been a day in the past decade when New York has NOT been under attack/getting destroyed.




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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.17
    Originally posted by dMp
    I've read Thor, Iron Man and Deadpool.

    The latter is the same old silly fun, no big change, other than who his current employer is.




I would disagree with that assessment. It's only one issue in, but I did not care much for the new direction. When he's handled right, Deadpool is actually a shockingly complex character, and Way did an overall excellent job of portraying that (in 65 issues, there were a couple of really awful storylines, so it wasn't all peaches and cream). The new guys are really writing Deadpool as very one-note, all gags all the time. As a transition, it's not working for me, but I'll give the team some more issues to get their feet up under them - especially since you don't want to go too complex on a number 1 issue.

The other thing I didn't like is that the issue took away Deadpool's inner monologue, which is a very core element of the character. That's something else that needs to come back sooner rather than later.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.37
I liked Thor last week, but I heartily endorse Indestructible Hulk #1! That was really terrific. I've never been a Hulk reader, but this was a lot of clever, exciting fun. And for once, Banner was the fun part. Thumbs up.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
Quickie notes on this week's Marvel NOW output I read:

Uncanny Avengers #2 was good, not great. Good for the focus on Rogue and the villainy of Red Skull. (Red Skull sure knows how to proposition the ladies.)

Thor: God of Thunder #2 was real good. If you want to see a young Thor in action, without Mjolnir mind you, it's a lot of fun.

All-New X-Men #2 was terrific. Issue one was build up for the first class of X-Men ("little X-Men", dubbed by Wolverine) meeting the current team but this is the issue where it actually happens and it's hugely entertaining. Really pays off the concept of past X meeting present X, and the Scott Summers x2 haven't even met yet.

I still haven't read FF #1...





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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
I read #FF 1. It's really good too. I like the way the Future Foundation was introduced to new readers (me) but you do need to read Fantastic Four #1 to understand why Reed is doing what he's doing and why his left arm is in a robot sling.

This week, two real winners:

The Avengers #1. I never read Jonathan Hickman's heralded run on Fantastic Four, except that one issue he killed Human Torch a couple of years ago. Avengers #1 is epic and is fan service to everyone who loved The Avengers movie. Though I have to say, if the battle in the movie turned out like the battkle in Avengers #1, that would have been one short movie. "Avengers World" is the title of this story arc and that says all you need to know about where this book is going. It's HUGE in evey way.

All-New X-Men #3. The last issue was great for the "Little X-Men" meeting the current X-Men at the Jean Grey School. This week deals with Cyclops, Magneto and Emma Frost and what's now happening with them, what the Phoenix Force has ended up doing to them and their powers, and it ends with a terrific final visual. There's some neat fan service to Bryan Singer's X-Men movies at the start, too. From now on, "It wasn't me! It was the Phoenix!" is my go-to excuse for everything I ever screw up.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.21
Since I was a kid, I've always preferred the DC Universe to Marvel. I liked Marvel just fine, but it wasn't my Universe. The one where Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and the Justice League was.

Having said that, comparing and contrasting The New 52's launch 15 months ago to the Marvel NOW output I've read, Marvel's stuff was overall way, way better.

Avengers, Uncanny Avengers, Indestructible Hulk, FF, Thor, Iron Man - I thought these were all by and large great books. Beautifully written and drawn overall. Approaching Marvel NOW with the mindset of a "new" reader, albeit one with decades of familiarity and who spent the summer reading Avengers vs. X-Men, their books felt accessible and exciting. Marvel was also very canny in making their core characters feel as much like the Avengers movie characters as possible. Their books feel visually innovative and cutting edge.

The books I've been checking out that aren't necessarily "Marvel NOW", like Captain Marvel and Hawkeye are awesome as well. I just got into Hawkeye and it's great. I'm also trying to get caught up on Rick Remender's Uncanny X-Force, which is awesome.

This is not to say the great books DC is putting out, like Batman, aren't still great. Plus Image is having an amazing resurgence with their books. I particularly love The Manhattan Projects and I like Saga too. I hear great things about Valiant as well, but there's only so much one can read. Overall, this is the best year for comics I can remember since the early 90's boom period.

(edited by John Orquiola on 8.12.12 1127)


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