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The term "marking out" gets thrown around a lot in the IWC. Too much, if you ask me. By definition, the term implies the fact that something is so excellent, you forget that you're watching something that's predetermined. Here's an example:

In 2006, I got ROH tickets for my birthday. The show was six months later, but it was a good present, regardless. So my friend Keith and I dragged my girlfriend along with us to the show, in Connecticut. It was held in this horrible, inflated-roof indoor soccer building, but we had pretty good seats...fourth row (I think), right on the entrance aisle. This was the night that Davey Richards debuted in ROH. Now, I'm a big fan of Samoa Joe, and I had read that he had hurt his knee, and wouldn't be wrestling at the show. I was understandably disappointed by this, but I knew they'd put on a good show anyway. So the show's going on, and they get to the title match, Bryan Danielson defending against Homicide. Joe comes out to be the guest ring announcer, and he's hilarious, calling Dragon "the PALEST wrestler in the world!" and such. The match goes on, and it's great, but the finish was lame, with the ref stopping the match due to 'Cide being defenseless against the MMA elbows. During the post-match segment, Danielson hit a chop block on Joe's injured knee. The crowd went berserk, myself included. As Danielson was coming back down the aisle to the locker room, I was screaming every obscenity I could think of at him. My friends actually had to physically restrain me from jumping the rail. After the segment ended, I came back down to reality, but for that brief few minutes, I had actually forgotten that everything was scripted.

So, it's fine that people say stuff like "man, I marked out hard for Jericho's return" or whatever, but when was the last time you really, truly marked out?



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I've been to quite a few WWF/WWE shows and I pretty much watch the shows quietly.

But there was one time that I won front row ringside tickets to a house show. For that one and only show, I became a rabid animal. I was marking out at all the face wrestlers, screaming at the heels and yelling all sorts of crazy shit during the show. It all became so much more real when I was in that front row.

Something about being in that front row atmosphere changes a person. At least for me anyways.



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I've brought up a similar subject before, just for the record.

But never, because I don't mark out -- I sit and enjoy the show as a FAN of the whole thing. I think it's a stupid term used by people who feel they need to be more involved in knowing the ins and outs of wrestling more than necessary.

I know pro wrestling is pre-determined and a show already, so when I go to a live event or watch on TV, my disbelief is suspended from the onset -- that's the point. If something especially cool happens or they reference something old, it makes me appreciate of everything MORE for the art that it is. This doesn't mean I don't groan when I see something stupid or disagree with, but that doesn't mean I lose my suspension.

"Marking-out" seems sporadic to me; suggesting that for one reason or another, the person is either too cynical about wrestling or somehow thinks they are too much "above the business" to just let themselves go for an entire two hours and enjoy what they're seeing. Why go or watch if you're not even expecting to see anything you'll enjoy? You're just wasting your time then in this day and age of wrestling. Do you (generally) go to a movie to pick apart all the special effects and hype from the beginning, or do you go, watch and then make your judgment about whether you liked it/got into it or not when you're done?

When Hogan is on TV, I'm always going to try and watch, because I'm a fan of Hogan and I'm a fan of how important he was to pro wrestling. I don't care if people think his matches suck or that he's too silly or whatever, and it's not like I'm not aware of his limitations, but who cares? It's Hogan!

So, that's my three cents -- wrestling fans honestly need to get over themselves. As much as I enjoyed ECW, I also blame it for creating the sense that the show is more about the fans and their chants and signs than what's going on in the ring. But the term is much worse when people apply it to things outside of wrestling (and there are a ton of examples on this board). "Duuuh, I mark out when Metallica plays 'One!'"

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You make some excellent points here. Suspension of disbelief is always going to be a key element of enjoying pro wrestling in this post-kayfabe era, but, at least in my case, my ability to suspend my disbelief hinges on the quality of the show.

Going to see an ROH show, where everybody's obviously working their asses off to entertain me, that's easy. But watching Raw, with 10 minute paint-by-numbers matches with non-finishes, and every other segment featuring Vince McMahon, it's a lot harder to achieve that same level. Even with something I enjoy, like the Jericho and Hardy pushes, there's always a part of my mind that's thinking "Yeah, this is great, but how long until they get jobbed out like Mysterio, or Benoit, or Guerrero?" This is why I generally don't watch Raw anymore.

What I'm talking about are those moments where your disbelief is forcibly suspended for you. When you see something so awesome, the idea that the whole thing is pre-planned completely leaves your mind. Like Hogan slamming Andre, or any Austin/Rock match, or Ric Flair re-forming the Horsemen.



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ironcladlou: That was my first ROH show, and probably the most entertained that I've been by wrestling in quite some time. Never hit that level, though.

Good news is they've at least moved it out of the Sports World and into the CT Expo Center in Hartford, which at least works (if not a bit on the cavernous side... they only take up MAYBE a third of the building).



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I seem to "mark" out during WrestleMania but if I had to really point at one time, it would have been WM17 during Rock/Austin. That match sucked me in big time!



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    ironcladlou: That was my first ROH show, and probably the most entertained that I've been by wrestling in quite some time. Never hit that level, though.

    Good news is they've at least moved it out of the Sports World and into the CT Expo Center in Hartford, which at least works (if not a bit on the cavernous side... they only take up MAYBE a third of the building).


The even better news is that they started running Boston again, so I don't have to drive down to f'n Connecticut to see them! It's a shame that they stopped running the Braintree Armory, since that's directly down the street from my new place.



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