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Cuban will be part of a group focusing on those who couldn't make the NFL cut.

ESPN.com: Mavs' Cuban hopes to create league to rival NFL


    Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban is part of a group considering formation of a football league that would compete with the NFL for players drafted lower than the second round.

    The league, still very much in the preliminary stage, would play its games on Friday nights. The NFL does not play then because of the potential conflict with high school football.

    "It's a pretty simple concept," Cuban said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "We think there is more demand for pro football than supply."


Brilliant idea. I wonder why anyone else hasn't thought of this?




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....Eeeeeyeah, I was thinking the same thing. In fact, I think if anything, the supply for pro football equals or even exceeds the demand for it. As much as I loved watching the Firebirds game on my 21st birthday, I can't say I've ever really gotten into Arena Football, for example.



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Problem with Friday night games is that in small towns where Football is EVERTHING, they will be competing with High School football. And those people that like to actually do things Friday night and not stay in.



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They want to go into the largest metro areas that don't have NFL teams. So that's Los Angeles, Portland, Orlando, San Antonio, Milwaukee, Las Vegas, and the like, so I don't know if they care about those small towns. There are also plans for a team in Mexico City, so they might be considering one in Toronto as well (I know that Toronto basically has the Bills, as well as a CFL team). EDIT: The point is, they think they can succeed in the markets the teams are based in even without a good TV deal.

Potential owners have been told not to expect to make money in the first five years. And they're extremely limited on what kind of TV deal they can get anyway (NBC, CBS, FOX, and ESPN all have NFL football, which they wouldn't want to jeopardize. ABC and ESPN have the same parent company. USA Network has the same parent company as NBC. The best choice would be on TNT or TBS).

I don't mind the idea, I just don't think the economics work. They've said that they feel they can steal 2nd-round and later draft picks from the NFL. That means paying players something like $400K per year, which means a team payroll (assuming 45 players per team) of $18 million. That's a pretty large chunk of change when the franchises are only worth $60 million each.

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You can cross Milwaukee off that list. (1) There's no suitable stadium for playing football. (2) If you think that Miller Park would work, consider the close relations between the Brewers and Packers, and know that one wouldn't do something that the other would frown upon.

I'll wager the USFL-settlement amount of $3 that this league never plays a game.
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    I don't mind the idea, I just don't think the economics work. They've said that they feel they can steal 2nd-round and later draft picks from the NFL. That means paying players something like $400K per year, which means a team payroll (assuming 45 players per team) of $18 million. That's a pretty large chunk of change when the franchises are only worth $60 million each.


That would be assuming that would be the average salary. I have a feeling they'll probably go the MLS route. Mostly low-paid players, with one or two "franchise" guys that will make a bit more.

I'm willing to give the idea a shot, but I love more football in general.
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How many college football games are played during the season - isn't the number at least 10x more than the NFL? I'm not talking just Division I, I mean all college football.

I would bet that you could get some of that market to watch 20-30 more teams, especially if you could get the "hometown guy" on each team.

It sounds like it would be more College football ++ rather than NFL Lite.

I think it could work. There is enough of a fantasy football market for this to have at least some value.




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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    Problem with Friday night games is that in small towns where Football is EVERTHING, they will be competing with High School football. And those people that like to actually do things Friday night and not stay in.


I am pretty sure they wouldnt be counting on small towns for the bulk of their viewership.
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Here's an article with a little more detail:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-business.html?ex=1338523200&en=e87310a952fa557f&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

I think having a long range goals is absolutely necessary if you are going to make this work. You are just not going to instantly make money in any new pro football league. Battling the NFL will be a very tough hurdle to clear, as the NFL will pull out all the stops to undermine any new football league. And how many folks are going to be willing to lose money for several years, especially on such a risky venture.



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    Originally posted by StaggerLee
      Originally posted by Zeruel
      Problem with Friday night games is that in small towns where Football is EVERTHING, they will be competing with High School football. And those people that like to actually do things Friday night and not stay in.


    I am pretty sure they wouldnt be counting on small towns for the bulk of their viewership.


Friday Night Lights is pretty much spot on when it comes to alot of areas that are OBSESSED with high school football.

Smackdown can only pull 1.5 in the 18-49 bracket (4.5 overall). I would be amazed if the UFL could pull a 2.0 average rating for the season if it made network TV.

The AFL only pulled an average of 0.82 on NBC in '06. Source: http://www.arenafan.com/news/?page=ratings



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I love the notion. More football means more competition means better football. However, just because I think it's a good idea doesn't make it bloody well plausible (like a reverse microwave that made things slightly cooler, or flying cars).

Appropos if they get everything rolling (along with the coolerwave and the flying car).



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Will it work? I don't know. But comparing this league to the XFL is pretty unfair. Vince McMahon had absolutely no clue what he was doing and tried to change football with his stupid gimmicks and rule changes. Mark Cuban is just putting the same football we all love on Friday Nights and Cuban has actually had success in sports before. Cuban has a much, much better chance of making this work than the XFL.

As someone who is a bigger college football fan than NFL, I'd love for my favorite college players to have another place to go that I could follow them.



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I'm sure the NFL/NCAA had a good laugh when they heard about Cuban's idea. The AFL has the right idea working with NFL by getting NFL owners involved in owning teams as well as using the arena league as a minor league system to the NFL. It also looks like Cuban's league may have to compete with his own NBA team. As far as I know the NBA does play on Friday nights. I wonder who is giving Cuban advise on this league, Donald Trump?



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The problem with having a guy like Cuban involved is that he didn't get to where he is by starting out shooting for second-best, and that's pretty much what any other football league is going to be. I really believe that if the USFL could have kept control of themselves and stayed in the spring they could've had something that worked long-term if they could've had some stability, because people will fall in love with a winner in pretty much any sport. (A sold-out KeyArena for the WNBA finals convinced me of THAT.)

If a group of guys set out to make an alternative to NFL Europa I'd bet they could make it work. There wasn't anything wrong with the XFL from a purely-football point-of-view until Vince and NBC started monkeying with it at the end.



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