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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.12
It should be no surprise that Isner lost his second round match this morning in 75 minutes, 6-0, 6-3, 6-2. The first set took just 16 minutes.



TheOldMan
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.86
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    My only point of contention is that almost no one remembers "Tin Cup."


But how many will forget Jean Van de Velde in the Open Championship?

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The criticisms all have valid points - it didn't involve a name player, it was a first round match, it was less 'spine-tingling' than 'can't-take-your-eyes-off'. In the end, it goes into Ripley's and Guinness' Book as much as it gets a display in the Tennis Hall of Fame.

I think it's memorable in the way of the Pawtucket Red Sox game that went 33 innings. That game also ended up getting suspended, and became a much bigger deal since they had time for the media to latch onto the story, and build up the finish - something like three months later in the case of the ballgame (but after all, that was before Twitter).

Up until it went to a third day, I was comparing the match more to the 23-22 Cubs/Phillies game. Just a ridiculous anomaly of a game popping up out of nowhere one afternoon. But none of the circumstances made the event less entertaining in the moment.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
I'm late to the discussion but since I watch more tennis than any other sport and there is a serious lack of tennis talk I have a few points.

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    It really wasn't necessarily great tennis,


Agreed. Is it impressive that they were able to serve so many games in a row without getting broken? Sure. But there is a reason it's called being broken. The server is expected to win. Breaking is more impressive than serving and separates the good players from the great players.

    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    I think they should use the standard tiebreaker for the fifth set for all rounds but the final.


I disagree with this point for the same reason that I agreed with the other one. Breaking is a vital part of tennis. Those that can break should have an advantage. In the standard tiebreaker all you have to do is break one point and you can win. Anybody can get lucky and do that. But with Wimbledon's tie breaker you have to break the server for the entire game. The standard tiebreaker is just like college football's overtime or shoot outs in hockey or soccer, which everybody seems to hate.

    Originally posted by Bullitt
    This is why I hate Wimbledon. Every game is the same:



I'm not sure if this is a knock on this game or all of Wimbledon but there are good matches. The problem isn't the players, quality or Wimbledon. The problem is the coverage. I hate to be one of THOSE guys that bashes ESPN but ESPN's first choice is always going to be Serena, Venus or Roddick, all of who are good but are ace machines. After a few players that are actually entertaining to watch (Federer, Nadal, maybe Murray) their next choices are all the rest of the Americans, none of who are entertaining. If guys like Tsonga, Verdasco and Monfils got more airtime I think more people would like tennis.

    Originally posted by dMr
    That didn't even happen after the Fed-Nadal final a couple of years ago.


I remember there not being as much buzz about the Federer-Nadal match. If I remember correctly though there was a long rain delay that kind of sucked the energy out of the match. It wasn't like the Isner match where waiting the next day actually added to the drama.

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    It won't make either of these guys a superstar.


I agree that Isner shouldn't be a superstar but that won't stop ESPN from trying. They already shove Isner down viewer's throats. Now that he's actually done SOMETHING they now have something to talk about when they push him. It will be sort like how every time Fernando Tatis plays for the Mets somebody brings up his two grand slams in one inning game. It's the only thing he's done and probably ever will do.

    Originally posted by DrewDewce
    I found it to be equivalent to the NCAA basketball tournament game between Ole Miss and Valparaiso (or the Bryce Drew game if you prefer)


I don't disagree with the point that a game doesn't have to decide a championship to be important but this example is nothing like this tennis match. In my opinion Ole Miss/Valpo is in he incredible play category more than incredible game. You even called it the Bryce Drew game. There was nothing like Drew's shot in the Isner match. This match would be more like Richmond/South Carolina from the same NCAA Tournament. Does anybody remember anything from that game other than it happened?

Lastly, as someone who follows the Pirates I enjoy 30 inning games in April. They aren't out of the playoff race yet so it's actually the only part of the season that IS exciting for those teams.

Oh well, that's probably a lot more than anybody is going to read but I'm bored because I woke up to watch today's Wimbledon matches and then realized there aren't any Wimbledon games today.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.51
    Originally posted by Quezzy
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      It really wasn't necessarily great tennis,
    Agreed. Is it impressive that they were able to serve so many games in a row without getting broken? Sure. But there is a reason it's called being broken. The server is expected to win. Breaking is more impressive than serving and separates the good players from the great players.


Exactly.


      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      I think they should use the standard tiebreaker for the fifth set for all rounds but the final.


    I disagree with this point for the same reason that I agreed with the other one. Breaking is a vital part of tennis. Those that can break should have an advantage. In the standard tiebreaker all you have to do is break one point and you can win. Anybody can get lucky and do that. But with Wimbledon's tie breaker you have to break the server for the entire game. The standard tiebreaker is just like college football's overtime or shoot outs in hockey or soccer, which everybody seems to hate.


I get what you're saying, and it's a good point, but I think it just doesn't matter if these guys could break each other for a whole game because after 25-25 or so, it was clear that whoever won this match was going to be doomed in the second round. I would think the players would want to avoid what happened in this match too. Maybe standard tiebreakers until the quarterfinals would be better than waiting till the finals, but I don't an endless first round match is a good thing.


      Originally posted by DrewDewce
      I found it to be equivalent to the NCAA basketball tournament game between Ole Miss and Valparaiso (or the Bryce Drew game if you prefer)


    I don't disagree with the point that a game doesn't have to decide a championship to be important but this example is nothing like this tennis match. In my opinion Ole Miss/Valpo is in he incredible play category more than incredible game. You even called it the Bryce Drew game. There was nothing like Drew's shot in the Isner match. This match would be more like Richmond/South Carolina from the same NCAA Tournament. Does anybody remember anything from that game other than it happened?

    Lastly, as someone who follows the Pirates I enjoy 30 inning games in April. They aren't out of the playoff race yet so it's actually the only part of the season that IS exciting for those teams.


I think at least moderately high stakes is a necessary ingredient for a sporting contest to be described as dramatic. There were no stakes at all in this one - it was a first round match between one guy in Isner who was an incredible longshot to win the tournament, or even advance deep into it, and Mahut, who had zero chance of doing those things. Even if it was exceptional tennis, which it clearly wasn't, the fact that it would have no effect on who won the tournament made it pretty pointless.

That doesn't mean both players would have had to have been championship contenders for this to be exciting - Roger Federer's first-round, five-set match against Alejandro Falla was much more dramatic than this match was, because Federer going out would have had a huge effect on determining the eventual champion. Same for Federer's second round match.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 27.6.10 1055)

StingArmy
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.35
    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    That doesn't mean both players would have had to have been championship contenders for this to be exciting - Roger Federer's first-round, five-set match against Alejandro Falla was much more dramatic than this match was, because Federer going out would have had a huge effect on determining the eventual champion.

Thank you for bringing up this point. I watched most of that match and I was clinging onto the edge of my seat. Falla being a mere six points away from eliminating Federer in the first round (on at least two occasions) made for GREAT television. Very dramatic. But watching Isner-Mahut repeat the same sequence of events for hours on end, knowing full well that the winner would almost certainly be summarily dismissed the following day-- well, that was kinda boring.

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