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#81 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.06
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    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    I don't think that's going to happen here (dullness or HTM holding the title), but I do think they'll have no problem telling a great story of who can potentially take the title from him. Orton never got pinned, of course, so that's likely first up. Brock is likely in line. If Punk comes back, I'd love to see a bitter "you don't appreciate all I've done for you" Punk going after the title. Bray Wyatt already holds a win over him. Hell, if they really want to be bold they call pull the "I told you that you'd get a shot if I won -- how about returning the favor" card with Cena and further the audience hatred of him. lol.

This is precisely why all the talk of "Bryan won't work as champion, the money is in chasing him," is a load of hogwash. There's plenty of potential challengers out there to get a year-long reign (not that it will actually go that long) out of Bryan if they want to. And you're leaving out Batista (who will bitch and moan that he didn't get the one-on-one opportunity that the Rumble winner is supposed to get) and HHH (can you see an "I Quit" match between HHH and Bryan for the title at Extreme Rules? I sure can) from the list.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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#82 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.06
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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    One more thought on the Divas match: The finish was either botched or had some quality storytelling that the no one picked up on because (a) they were still thinking about Taker (b) they were taking a bathroom break (c) the commentary team sucks and didn't point it out or (d) all of the above.

    AJ had the Black Widow locked in. The ref was hopping back and forth trying to get a good lock at Naomi's hand for the tap. He finally ended up on the wrong side. Once he was there, AJ picked up Naomi's hand and moved it up and down to make it look like she was tapping. From the ref's viewpoint, he only saw the top of her hand moving up and down and called for the bell.

    If this was planned, AJ cheated to beat the odds and no one pointed it out. If it was a botch, I'm assuming Naomi wasn't tapping when she was supposed to and AJ just helped things along.

I've seen the finish, and it definitely was no botch. In fact the first thought that went through my mind was that AJ had just done something that Vickie's dearly departed husband would have been proud of.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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#83 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73
I had a lot of odd behaviors on the Network on my PS3, but I got to see the show so I can't complain.

Awesome show, top to bottom. Me and my bud who was watching with me were floored by the end of the Undertaker match. "Huh? What the hell just happened?" Then the crowd reaction, then the announcement that Brock had won. Seriously, the crowd seemed more confused than anything, and watching the Streak end was easily the most shocking moment I've seen in a long time.

I will say Cena/Wyatt was kind of where things took a bit of a slow turn; HHH/Bryan, Shield/K+NAO and the ARMBAR all had phenomenal finishes up until then and I just didn't have the energy, especially after finally watching Rowan drag the rocking chair.

After seeing Orton take the fall onto the monitor and they boarded up Bryan, I knew he was going to pull a Foley and get off the stretcher.

And I marked super hard at the end of the show.



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#84 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Let's start pre-emptively panicking about the title going from Bryan to Brock to Roman Reigns at WM31. I'm already upset. A new quest begins!

I think even a few months with the title would be a win. If you think about the guys who "reached the top of the mountain" for the first time at Wrestlemania (and yes, I know Bryan himself doesn't fit this, but it feels like he does), not many of them held the title for all that long:

-Shawn Michaels lost it at Survivor Series.
-Stone Cold lost it at King of the Ring. (For a night, then dropped it again in September at Breakdown.)
-Benoit lost the WHC at Summerslam.
-John Cena's first reign was pretty long, but he dropped it in less than a year. Same for Batista.
-Rey had lost his first World Title by July, though no one at the time felt like his win was a changing of the guard or anything.

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#85 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.06
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    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    -Stone Cold lost it at King of the Ring.

Not really fair to call KOTR the end of SCSA's first reign when he won it back the next night on RAW. Breakdown would be more accurate, and by Crash TV standards, that was a long time.



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While the switch from Cena to RVD should alleviate some complaints, the inevitability of the belt's return to Cena (note where Summerslam is this year) and the poor initial showing by the new ECW are enough to keep the indicator where it is for now. The pieces are in place, though, especially on RAW, for improvements to be made to the IWC's psyche in the near future.
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#86 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.54
Rock started off doing "FINALLY, The Rock has come BACK..." to cities he'd never been to at all as a pro wrestler, so FINALLY coming BACK to a place he'd just been is part of the gimmick.

I lost the feed in the main event shortly before the ref thing, so what happened there? It came back for me just as Bryan was about to dive onto HHH/Armstrong/Stephanie, and I wasn't able to piece together what had actually happened in the interim.

One simple switch that would have helped Cena/Wyatt a lot: since Cena didn't have a special entrance at all, he should have come out first so he could be in the ring already, making weird faces during the whole entrance and making Wyatt sitting in chair and staring at the ring make a hell of a lot more sense. I gather logistically the dancer and band would have made that slightly tougher, but it couldn't have been that hard to do in order to get Cena out there to sell his fear of Bray Wyatt/John Cena's True Evil Face earlier.

Re: the actual finish itself in UT/Brock, I thought for a second that Brock was going to hit a Tombstone on Undertaker, which definitely seemed like it could have been the "Brock legit injures him and has to win by accident" finish a lot of people feared coming in (aka the "Undertaker legit can't make it back to the ring after the botched dive" alternate universe ending to HBK/Taker I), and I wonder if a scary-ass Brock Tombstone would have been received better as what ended The Streak than another F5. (I think it's safe to assume current Undertaker couldn't have taken the BrockLock, the Shooting Star Press would have killed them both and they only did the Kimura spot the one time and Brock basically hooked it instead of maybe teasing him going for it, failing and later getting it in only for Taker to break free.) No complaints if one or both of the two of them wasn't comfortable with Brock doing the Tombstone, of course.
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#87 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.58
I'm still pretty exhausted from this one, but I thought this was a really great WrestleMania. It didn't have a standout great match, but it more than made up for it in my opinion and still belongs up there with the best of them. Certainly of the last 10 years.

WrestleMania 19 was incredible in the ring, but I don't really look back on that one fondly booking-wise. This one is pretty much the exact opposite of that, although the matches still weren't bad.


The Daniel Bryan one night angle was so old school, I loved it. The cutaways to Bryan getting his arm treated, the tape, the way HHH stood in the way as a REAL heel, playing the role perfectly to make sure his arm-tattooed-buddies made it added a lot of real drama. I loved how Orton and Batista would team up to keep Bryan out of the match. Like Benoit 10 years later, it came off like Bryan beat multiple guys to win the belt instead of just one. He beat the system and it was glorious.


Cena-Wyatt went pretty much the way I expected it to. I thought the match would be better, but it was still a great "Batman kicking Joker's ass in Dark Knight, but not being able to really win" dynamic. The ending was a little flat. I would have liked to see Cena really go dark, but I still felt that story was in there and the goal of the match was to give Cena's fans a little something after he spent the last 3 months making Randy Orton a credible champion for Daniel Bryan to beat.

It was time for Cena to win, and time for Bray to lose. Bray, along with Roman Reigns and Cesaro, is going to be a big deal in a year. I'm not worried about him at all.


Undertaker losing to Brock... I still have no idea how to articulate this one. When it happened, I almost chipped my tooth on a beer bottle. I don't know why - and it's still early - but that memory is now burned into me as one of one of the most unforgettable moments I've had watching wrestling.

I feel like last year was the year to do it and have him lose to Punk, and I think that if Punk had won at least one of his big matches last year (Rock/Taker/Lesnar, he lost to all three), he might still be around. But, maybe Punk wasn't a long term prospect and also maybe Paul Bearer dying had more to do with the outcome of that one.

Really, I think this was more of a matter of Taker being a big MMA mark and a big Brock supporter and going "That's the guy I want to lose to." He wanted to lose to Angle, too, and seems to respect guys like that a lot.

But, WOW. That was an incredible moment. I think everyone had that same reaction of "Oh, so a referee is going to come down and there was a loose rope or something, right?" and then the 21-1 graphic flashed on screen and we all looked like that guy with his eyes bugging out.

Brock vs Bryan is going to be incredible. Hopefully it's at SummerSlam since I'll be there and they do another near-5-star match, because they both kicked ass in their separate matches last year.


Cesaro is going to be huge now. He's got the best look, the best style, and enough charisma to really be a big star. I'm more excited about where WWE is going with him, Bray Wyatt, and Daniel Bryan after last night. WWE has a bright future now and those guys don't need to work against older stars to make incredible TV. This really does feel like that night after WrestleMania XIV where all the pieces are in place for a new dynamic. It's exciting.


EDIT: Oh, and I can't not mention that opening segment. I wasn't a fan of starting WrestleMania off with a promo when The Rock did it that one year, but seeing Austin come out, then The Rock and them all put each other over and add their stamp of approval on the night was also unforgettable. Just a great show top to bottom.

EDIT: Also, no real feed issues. Our Apple TV kept dimming in the middle of the show for some reason, not sure why. but there was maybe a skip or two early in the show and that's it.

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#88 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
      Originally posted by SchippeWreck
      -Stone Cold lost it at King of the Ring.

    Not really fair to call KOTR the end of SCSA's first reign when he won it back the next night on RAW. Breakdown would be more accurate, and by Crash TV standards, that was a long time.

Good point. I edited my post.



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#89 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
Oh man, remember Heyman saying that Lesnar winning wasn't a prediction, it was a spoiler? You bastard.

We only get so many posts in this earthly life, and I just realized how many of them I've wasted talking about Cena vs. Undertaker.


    I lost the feed in the main event shortly before the ref thing, so what happened there? It came back for me just as Bryan was about to dive onto HHH/Armstrong/Stephanie, and I wasn't able to piece together what had actually happened in the interim.


Haven't had a chance to rewatch but as I recall, I think Bryan had Orton in the Yes lock, then Triple H in his sweet tracksuit came from the crowd with Stephanie and pulled the ref out of the ring. Batista bombed Bryan and Hunter sent in Scott. Regular speed count, kickout, Helmsleys yelled at Scott, he bent over in You Can't See Me position and Bryan kicked him in the face. Then the dive. There may have been other Maneuvers.

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#90 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.30
Are people still giving network reports? The stream was PERFECT on my PS4 all the way till just a bit of pixelation during the confetti and the end. So worth every penny especially with the Hall of Fame and my own mini Wrestlemania marathon starting on Thursday night.

As for the show itself I thought it was terrific. My first viewing of a Wrestlemania live in a long time due to my friends no longer having interest in the product and being too cheap to pay for a PPV without splitting the cost. What a way to come back! I read horror stories of how bad things dragged previous years and all the awful skits and commercials. I even thought the few backstage skits were well done. I would have never guessed that was Paul Orndorf on my own. I wonder how people are always coming up to him to give him hell on losing when he looks like a completly different person. And once Austin's music hit while Hogan was talking I proclaimed aloud to myself "Got my money's worth!!!" like a fool.

Anyway, I can honestly say I have never been this stunned by anything in any form of entertainment that I have watched ever. No way anything in wrestling tops this besides real world tragedies. Hogan losing in '88 was bound to happen eventually and Hogan turning in '96 was a surprise but just not of this magnitude. HAll showing up on Nitro was cool but expected since I had started to get online then and knew he had signed with WCW.

I think Brock was a great choice personally. It finally made him back in to what everyone wanted when he returned- a MAWNSTER. Looking back a the build now I love it even more. Almost as if Brock and Heyman let Undertaker get the best of him to let him get too comfortable and to underestimate Brock. If you went with someone on the regular roster they would have that burden and many fans would hold it against them forever. Plus they would have the fear of investing in someone and having huge plan for them after breaking the streak only for them to leave. Wasn't Ted Dibiase Jr. rumored to end it at one point? You just never know what you are going to get with a younger guy. Even Punk would have been a mistake because that likely still wouldn't have been enough to satisfy him. At least with Brock they know of his intentions so there is no pressure and they can transfer thhis rub to current younger guy who beats him with no hard feelings against him. Consider it a transitional rub.

That being said here are streak matches we will never get to witness- Cena, Reigns, Sting, Wyatt, Ceasaro and Bryan. Out of those Reigns would have been my top pick to end it because then at least they could start to build the story of his own streak that contains a victory of breaking the gretest streak ever. With that not happening maybe after a few years rest Taker can come back to try to break Reigns' streak perhaps?! Probalby not.

In regards to the actual match I too thought it was odd that they were going to do a third F5 kick out and then was just in utter disbelief. I literally thought there was a ref botch or something (can you imagine what kind of hell that he would get if that was the case) until the 21-1 graphic popped up pretty quick and the annoucners started talking about this like they knew it was his last match. Their tone was great but it would have made more sense if Taker had ever indicated that if the steak was broken he would be done (or has he and I missed it?). I was half expecting the lights to then go out and druids to carry him off, but glad I was wrong. Whoever said earlier about this cutting a tie to our childhoods was spot on. He has been winning at Wrestlemania since I was a freshman in high school and even though I have never been a huge fan I felt like I was kicked in the gut. I also agree with the sentiment that this could almost be a finale. If they were closing up shop this show would have been a fitting end.

If by chance he isn't done I would like to see him start to announce his retirement on Raw only to be interupted by Sting. Then leave it hanging till early 2015 as far as a definitive answer on if he will accept the challenge and come back.

The rest of the card was great. Triple H/Bryan was exactly what it should have been and even though I figured it would work out with a happy ending, in part to help compensate for such a down ending to the streak, they almost fooled me with a few of those near falls at the end with the spear and the knee. I loved HHH and Stephanie appearing from the crowd instead of down the ramp. Made it seem tha tmuch more "real." The fact that he was almost in disguise added to it. And bringing Armstrong back to try to make the count? So perfect. Very well played even if the stretcher job kind of corregraphed the ending. A terrific celebration but I did find it odd that it mirrored the Benoit one a bit. Maybe it was on purpose so this one can just replace that one in fans minds forever?

All in all SO glad I bit the bullet and ordered the network. I would have kicked myself for missing such a historically significant show if I hadn't. Only thing I miss, especially after watching some early Wrestlemanias, is the imprtance of the IC title and having that a big part of the show. With there no longer being two world titles it would have been nice to get that title back up in promenance by the time this show hit. Oh well- just a minor nitpick.



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#91 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.55
I forgot all about the WMI backstage reunion sketch. Seeing Mr. T there, in character as Mr. T and seemingly in full possession of all of his faculties made me feel better about the Kane cutoff at the Hall of Fame and lets me tell myself my internal story that Mr. T went into a Mr. Bob Backlund-like trance at the HOF that was only broken when Kane's music hit. And after having heard Piper on Austin's podcast, seeing Piper and Mr. T do a handshake to end the longest-running heat in Wrestlemania history was nice.

Orndorff, though, yeah, I would not have recognized him under that Victorian mustache. I think the last time I remember seeing Orndorff was when he was the manager for Guy With Terrifyingly Huge Arms Who Appeared Once And Then Died Or Something in WCW. I am just old enough to remember the Wrestlemania I feud and the Orndorff/Hogan angle around it when Mr. Wonderful was a pretty big deal, but just recently in a thread on here I'd suggested Orndorff as one of the guys who would be erased from history if they tried to fit all 30 years of Wrestlemania into a ten-year sliding scale*, so it was a surprise and kind of neat to see him there again.

*I still think this would be an interesting podcast topic, and I'd now suggest that, in an "every Wrestlemania happened over ten years" scenario, WWE history would be retconned so that Mr. Wonderful loses to King Kong Bundy the same night that Bret also loses to Bundy (thanks to Owen's interference) only for Hogan to come out and beat him for the belt. This erases Lex Luger and WMIX from history as well as most of WMI and II.
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#92 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.43
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    *I still think this would be an interesting podcast topic, and I'd now suggest that, in an "every Wrestlemania happened over ten years" scenario, WWE history would be retconned so that Mr. Wonderful loses to King Kong Bundy the same night that Bret also loses to Bundy (thanks to Owen's interference) only for Hogan to come out and beat him for the belt. This erases Lex Luger and WMIX from history as well as most of WMI and II.


The ability to think of things like this is why most all of us have you (Currently rated: 17)

(There's obviously a bug in the system that can't calculate above 10.)



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#93 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.86
Whatever this show lacked in match quality (good matches certainly, but nothing match-of-the-year) it more than made up for in drama and emotion. I can't remember another PPV that made so many fans feel the deep chasm of disappointment and sadness, before bringing them back up to the highest apex of elation.

Unlike last year's corporate bore-fest, I thought this was a very fun show on a lot of levels. The opening, somewhat surreal talking segment, the watchable backstage skits, and the veritable changing-of-the-guard based on how this show was booked certainly gives fans reason for optimism going forward. At least until Raw tonight.

Unlike what lotjx is seeing/hearing, I'm actually surprised at the number of fans who have been able to accept and who are actually rationalizing Taker's loss to Lesnar. It was a shock for sure and I thought it would be a decision universally despised. Maybe setting that bar low makes it easy to meet, but this thread is more indicative of the attitude I've sensed on Twitter that, separated from the emotion of the moment, fans are almost honored to have seen such a monumental moment as Taker's first Mania loss.

The Daniel Bryan stuff was booked nearly perfectly. There's no way this was WWE's plan all along (especially given the Bryan vs. Sheamus match leak that was supposed to happen on this card), but boy did it make for a memorable night. With Taker having lost, it seemed like even more of a foregone conclusion that Bryan would win, but he did it in a way that put him over to the extreme.

My favorite part of the Divas match was when all the Divas came in and started hitting their finishers, and then it came to Eva Marie and she performed a high-risk...shove.

Cesaro winning the battle royal was cool and a hell of a sight with him and Big Show. The Shield squash of Kane and the Outlaws was unexpected, but it put them over even more as babyfaces. I felt that Cena vs. Wyatt was a match where neither man would've lost much by losing. I still stick to that thought. Wyatt looked great in defeat.

BTW: Are we counting Howard Finkel's HOF inductions as an on-camera appearance, to keep up his equally-amazing Wrestlemania streak of having appeared on-camera at each one? He wasn't actually shown this year, but obviously, his voice was heard.

BTW2: Did Backlund have something stuck in his teeth when the HOF'ers at ringside were introduced prior to the main event? What a weird dude.

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#94 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.83
    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    My personal take is, Undertaker should have retired undefeated at WM and put someone over huge in a final match at what they would bill as the Last Ever Survivor Series.


The problem with this is for years calling out The Undertaker and his streak are away for guys to throw down the gauntlet, and if The Streak were still intact it would be weird for people to suddenly stop even if Taker is retired, because he always responds even though he pretty much already is.
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#95 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.00
    Originally posted by geemoney
    The Daniel Bryan stuff was booked nearly perfectly. There's no way this was WWE's plan all along (especially given the Bryan vs. Sheamus match leak that was supposed to happen on this card), but boy did it make for a memorable night. With Taker having lost, it seemed like even more of a foregone conclusion that Bryan would win, but he did it in a way that put him over to the extreme.



I'm not so sure that the Sheamus/Bryan leak wasn't intentional ... I've heard a second script was even leaked, with the real script kept secret to everyone except those involved. Hence why NOBODY saw the end of the Undertaker's Streak coming. Also consider the rumor that Batista had a guaranteed title win in his contract.

I'm still on the fence as to whether or not we got masterfully trolled by Creative, or if the chants of "YES! YES! YES!" just grew so rafter-shakingly loud that Vince would be throwing away money not to pull a last-second switcheroo. Either way, I love that he finally got to have a REAL Wrestlemania moment (the 14-second pin at 28 doesn't count).
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#96 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03

    WWE.com can confirm that, following last's night historic match with Brock Lesnar, The Undertaker was immediately taken to Ochsner Medical Center. After a CT scan and other medical testing, he was diagnosed with a severe concussion and was kept overnight for further evaluation.


The match being so slow and wobbly makes a lot more sense. I don't know if the crowd would've gotten more into it had they ever picked up the pace, but stuff like Lesnar standing around like a goof waiting to feed his arm for Hell's Gate and other awkward spots makes sense. It's pretty sad if an injury 5 minutes in (double leg on the floor is what Meltzer said) ruined Undertaker's last match, not just the match but his experience soaking up his curtain call. Not sure if he was going to have been able to will his body into pulling off something better, but I guess it's also kind of a relief that he was not quite that washed up so suddenly and drastically.
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#97 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.55
    Originally posted by Blind_Guardian
    I'm not so sure that the Sheamus/Bryan leak wasn't intentional ... I've heard a second script was even leaked, with the real script kept secret to everyone except those involved. Hence why NOBODY saw the end of the Undertaker's Streak coming. Also consider the rumor that Batista had a guaranteed title win in his contract.
We'll never know because wrestling just doesn't operate like any other TV show where the people involved would come out and tell you, in this modern, blog and twitter and recap-heavy time, what weird stuff happened. But I think you may (possibly) be confusing newer and older info. The fake second script leak and UT/Brock's finish being super double secret seems to be a new development from the last week, with the two fake scripts gambit seemingly done specifically to give a payoff to the Wreddit Restling Federation year-long Dolphins championship angle.

But well back before the new year, we got the info that the WMXXX card was going to be Brock/Taker (correct), Punk/HHH (seemingly correct right up until Punk walked out the day after everything blew up), Sheamus/Bryan (Sheamus had not yet returned to TV), Batista/Orton (essentially correct and this was very out of left field, as there had been no indications that Batista was coming back, much less jumping into a title feud, and this was terribly received) and Cena/Wyatt as the answer to the Cena Mystery Match (correct, and this seemed insane at the time).

The idea that they not only leaked the Sheamus thing to fool us but also leaked massive and very true spoilers just so they could fool us is really hard to swallow, especially with how they had to pull Batista from live audiences (hiding him backstage and then off Raw) before finally turning him, indicating that they really thought he'd be a conquering hero. It also assumes that they knew Punk was quitting at least a month or two before he quit. This, to me, seems like a series of Unlikely events that is much harder to believe than "Vince and HHH still love big dudes at heart, especially movie star Dave, and HHH thought he made Dave in a Rock-like way because he probably thinks by now he made Rock and Evolution is beloved and I don't know here take Bryan getting that Sheamus win back or whatever" being the general plan until the Rumble went to hell.

Re: the newer rumor, I'm also not sure how much I believe Undertaker working the entire locker room and announce team on his way out the door. It's insane that they would do something like that in a billion dollar company on the most important night in thirty years just to put one over on the boys, but it's also exactly the kind of thing they'd do in this billion dollar company on the most important night in thirty years just to put one over on the boys.
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#98 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
Loved the show and that actually wouldn't have changed (I think) if Bryan had lost the main event.

I really dug the first match, with HHH going all out on Bryan's arm and yet they gave it enough hope spots to not make it one of those annoying matches where H looks strong in losing. Hunter did some great moves too and the match was wonderful.

So, the Shield squashed Kane but mostly the NAO.
Injury or not, this is the way it should've been.
Fun entertainment to clear the palate of the drama of the previous match.

The Battle Royal. OF course it's a clusterfuck. Those things always are. But it worked out well and the moment I saw new-face Cesaro and Big Show in the top 8 I knew he would slam him. Fun!

Wyatt vs Cena was a great goofy match.
Sure, the whole Legacy thing is..random but they made it work. And they also made Cena's anger work.
To me it seemed obvious that they'll have a rematch and Cena will go all "I held back because I'm Cena. But not in an extreme rules match"
Oh-sign of the night "If Cena wins, we wyatt"

Taker-Brock. Wow. Not a good match, but near the end they did start to rope me in with the drama. And then the finish. WOW. We all gasped loudly, dropped our jaws and what not.
It makes so much sense btw to have Brock break it.
He has nothing to lose (it won't drag down a young guy) and it can/will be his claim to fame, the thing that makes his career legit. He never needs the title again. He is the legit mofo that ended the Undertaker.

The Divas match was more entertaining that I expected and yay AJ won!

I actually didn't like the main event -that- much.
Obviously it was very story heavy but it felt like HHH and Steph came out very early in the match and we went into clusterfuck mode. That table spot looked wicked and poor Orton must've been in more pain that Bryan but he had to soldier on right away.
And yeah, in the end the world was right. Awesome.

Kudos to WWE for making me ready to give up after the Rumble and then ramping it all up to the best WM in a long time.
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#99 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
This might be too late, but what is everyone take on the Lesnar "wink" as he was walking up the ramp?
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#100 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
There were 27 announced guys, then Christian was pulled. That leaves four spots, but there were five unannounced participants: Antonio Cesaro, Xavier Woods, Yoshi Tatsu, David Otunga, and Tyson Kidd. That makes 31, but was Justin Gabriel in the match? I went over the list of announced guys and Gabriel was on it, but I never saw him in the match. If he wasn't there, that's 30.
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