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#61 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.66
First off, that was an upper-half Wrestlemania right there! Considering the lack of fanfare during the build, I thought they pulled off an incredible show that lagged for a surprisingly small portion of its four-hour runtime.

If The Undertaker chose Brock as the one to end the streak, then I have no beef with that, because over the last twenty years that man has earned the right to go out the way he wanted to. If on the other hand, someone else chose Brock when they found out the streak was ending this year, then I would find their thought process harder to understand.

The streak was pretty sacred to me, but I cannot believe for one second that it could've been broken without the Undertaker's consent. I expect him to announce his retirement tonight on Raw.

The opener and the main event were pretty fantastic.
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#62 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.52
Wasn't totally sure they'd do it(Bryan's win). Glad they did.

Taker's loss was one of the biggest shocks in wrestling ever. It's sad that it seems like it happened because Taker just can't "go" like he used to any more.

Bryan-HHH was great.

Shield match hinged on whether the breakup was happening and I think we got the answer to that question.

Big night for Cesaro, great to see.

Glad the Usos retained. Also glad A.J. retained though I could see her dropping the belt on Raw.

Agreed on the devaluing of finishers in big matches. Amazing how protected Bryan's flying knee has been, and we even saw Orton kick out of Batista's pin after the knee(despite a delayed cover).

I was rooting for Wyatt but I figured Cena was taking it. Some great moments in that one like the spider pop-up to cut off the Five-Knuckle Shuffle.

Glad I watched the show after initially not being sure if I would.



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#63 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.54
Required Network report first: watched on a desktop to minimize problems, started with the pre-pre show and it was flawless up until the Hall of Fame recap spot (a perfect place to drop out) and later the Divas match (an even better place to drop out) until finally it did die for a portion of the title match, which was unfortunate. But for (essentially) $10 and considering it will never, ever be taxed like that again, I can't really complain.

Loved the pre- show match that let everybody involved who has spots to hit hit those spots (note: Curtis Axel has no spots to hit). I will miss the Real Americans as the team that cannot be attacked from the air Swagger's anti-air counters into the Patriot Lock aren't as good as Cesaro's European Anti-Air Defense, but they're still pretty cool and Swagger has really stepped his game up in the last month.

Cesaro being in and then winning the ARMBaR was great (we must assume that Rusev died on the way back to his home country). Kind of surprised he didn't get to Giant Swing The Giant in the Giant Memorial Battle Royal, but doing the WMIII Andre The Giant Slam Me Brother Memorial Body Slam was still incredibly impressive and probably the better historical tribute moment. I guess the only downside of Cesaro and The Shield getting simultaneous face pushes is that we probably won't get Cesaro vs. Shield matches for a while now, but I can live with Cesaro vs. the Wyatts. Cesaro, Bryan and The Shield being dominant at XXX was a great cap to the Year Workrate Won.

Oh, yeah, Kofi's spot was ludicrious and great, too. Wish the crowd had been a little more into him taking everyone out after it, that was basically the only time the crowd didn't come through.

    Originally posted by KJames199
    YOU GUYS Rock and Austin have a secret handshake. The best.
    PALS.
YES. The opening was truly a segment for the ages, and I mean that sincerely. Austin and Rock revealing themselves to be the New Troy and Abed was heartwarming. Austin proving his recent podcast claims that he has no heat with Hogan, equally heartwarming. Bruno or Flair not being out there to complete the Actual WWE Mount Rushmore so that HHH can photoshop himself into the ring when he finishes his community college photoshop course was heartwarming. Rock and Austin repeatedly breaking Hogan's stones was hilarious. Rock doing the actual work of linking Hogan to Cena and Austin to Bryan was great. And my favorite bit was Austin summoning so many beers that Rock leaned in and asked him if he was gonna do four at a time and Austin being all "YEP!" before doing FOUR SWIGS OF BEER FOR FOUR DIFFERENT WORKIN' MEN was classic. I also liked Austin stalking out first to leave them in there to ham it up a little extra.

The Shield in a squash made perfect sense. I wanted more for them, I guess, but they absolutely should have eviscerated the Outlaws like that, and the Double Triple Powerbomb that ended Billy Gunn's career was a cool spot. I assume tonight that Kane will break open the Mystical Cube that is containing the power of the KaneForce, puts the mask back on and summons the Ascension to get revenge and honestly, between the Wyatt mini-feud and this possibility, I just want The Shield to fight evil demons forever from now on anyway. WWE Films should do a movie where The Shield is sent to hell on a mission to kill Satan.

    Originally posted by JustinShapiro
    Cameron did the Codebreaker! I've seen every episode of Total Divas and I can't think of a funny name.
The 404. And whenever she does it, Cole should say "Guys, I spoke to Cameron earlier today and she said she calls that move The 404, and went on to explain that she's referring to her catchphrase TheBomb.Com and the implication is that, somehow, TheBomb.Com has become unavailable due to an HTML error."

Loved pretty much eveything about the Wyatt Family: the live band with plague doctor/buzzard masks, Bray's snazzy sleveless leather entrance coat, the beatific face Harper made when Bray was trying to force Cena to quit. Bray himself was next-level great. Everybody mentioned the spider walk counter to the Five Knuckle Shuffle, but there were other things from the subtle (Wyatt, through body language, slowly revealing that he VERY MUCH wanted to win until the end) to the sublime (ref says "You gotta get him in the ring, Wyatt!" and Bray turns to him and yells "I KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO DO, REFEREE! I'VE FIGURED IT ALL OUT!"). The crowd swaying and singing towards the end of the match with, as far as I could tell, no prompting was unbelievable.

Cena, I liked less. I hate, hate, hate his ANGRY FACE, and having him immediately go into "Maybe I have to be evil to win?!" hysterics after he took them out last week didn't really work for me. His actual ring work was fine (though his STF looked extra awful after the flawless crossface clinic HHH and Bryan had put on), and I thought the dive to the Family and the legdrop counter into the powerbomb were nice additions to the Extended Cena Playbook. Didn't like the finish at all, though.

Fine with Cena winning considering was still to come, but he should have done it in a darker way than just the AA and smiling on the ropes. My hope is that Bray has now secretly infected him with evil and Cena then accidentally spread it to his dad, the Bellas' mother and Rock's mother when he did The Mr. T's Mrs. T Mother Memorial Mom Hug Tour after the match and booking for the rest of the year will see John Cena and the now-evil families of the Superstars and Divas attacking their own kids at the sinister orders of Bray Wyatt.

Bryan/HHH was flawless. As someone said earlier, I don't think it was an all-time great Wrestlemania match, but it was worked and booked perfectly, and I give all that credit to HHH. This was literally my favorite match of his in probably 12 Years (A Slave To His Ego). Seriously, he cut out all of the Main Event HHH Match Formula shit he's been doing since the brutal Steiner/Nash match era and was just mean and efficient. The arm-work, the crossfaces, that picture-perfect chickenwing that really, really sold the assault on Bryan's arm....and he ate the knee pin clean, the exact right ending considering the match they put together and that Dave would be tapping later.

It took them ages and many, many obvious detours and forced back-breaking humbling by several cities of fans to get there, but they got there and they did it right. Gotta rewatch the main event to see the middle that I missed on network problems, but Orton seemed like the secret hero there, getting himself together to continue the match afte that brutal fall on the monitor. There was a brief moment where it was clear they HAD to do the Bryan stretcher spot and it looked like Orton might genuinely be down where I thought "Holy shit, DAVE BATISTA has to ad-lib the end of this match", but Orton recovered and I swear, the bleeding wounds on his back even seemed to heal up. Loved both false finishes (Orton's RKO on Batista, Batista hilariously laughing as he tried to steal Bryan's pin which really could have been the "we can't help ourselves" ending) and Bryan in tears, triumphant, was the exact right ending and beginning to an actual new era of the company.

(IF I had a complaint about the final sequence, it was the announcers either not knowing or bothering to say who was briefly in the ring with Bryan. I'm guessing they just didn't know - I read later it was apparently his sister and niece - but the way it came off was like Daniel Bryan had a Super Secret Hidden Family all along.)

And finally, Brock vs. Undertaker. I've been watching wrestling for the better part of three decades now, and I honestly think the last time I was legit flabbergasted by an outcome was The Honky Tonk Man beating Ricky Steamboat on a Saturday morning in 1987. I confidently picked HHH winning at WM2000, which - though it's hard to remember now - was not at all the expected outcome at the time (if I remember right, in a poll of a few hundred people, I was the only one who had him winning). Brock Lesnar beating the Undertaker was the single most shocking thing I can ever remember in wrestling.

There are parts of it I don't like: I'll be that guy to "bitch" about Lesnar losing to Cena and HHH already when he could REALLY be an insane draw now; it came dangerously close to killing the crowd for the main event; the match itself was not so good. The part where Undertaker did a walking powerbomb out of the corner and Cole had to sell it as a Last Ride was depressing in the moment and telling later. I genuinely have no idea if Lesnar winning makes any sense going forward.

(My personal take is, Undertaker should have retired undefeated at WM and put someone over huge in a final match at what they would bill as the Last Ever Survivor Series. IF he was going to actually lose The Streak, I would have done it at UT/HBK II or vs. let's say Bray Wyatt or Heel John Cena at XXXI. BUT, he's clearly offered to lose before, and if it's just that Lesnar was the only dude Brock Lesnar-y enough to go "Hey, man, you wann bea-" "YEP.", that's great, and honestly, if The Undertaker wants to make it 21-1 as payment for getting to do his MMA Fantasy Camp, he's The Undertaker and he's earned the right to do whatever he wants to do with his big angle.)

Also, whatever they pay Paul Heyman, they should double it. His work in the hype package and during the match was peerless.

So, yeah, still genuinely shocked and unsure about that whole thing. No matter what, it shoots up to a Top Three Wrestlemania Moments list now and forever. And there are a few ways they can do something with this:

-Brock vs. Bryan at SummerSlam

-The Shield, now each 2-0 (Miz falls to 3-1!), begin simultaneous New Streaks for the next few years, giving them chances to each get to at least 5-0 before they have to face each other at Manias to get it down to one New Streak holder

-Rob Van Dam, now holding the #1 Wrestlemania Record of All-Time, is suddenly imbued with the power of The Dead Man and returns on Raw as The Undertoker, complete with a long jacket with airbrushed dragons and stuff.

Hobbes kinda summed up my overall feeling on XXX: match-for-match, I don't know that it was actually great or would hold up to the peak Wrestlemanias with A+ matches throughout the card, but from a booking and historical perspective, you can't really argue with how BIG that felt. They delivered the way they had to for an event that was arguably the second most important Wrestlemania of them all.
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#64 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.99
A friend threw a party and I watched wrestling for the first time in about 10 years last night.

We were having fun even if half of us didn't know who most of these people were, but the Undertaker match took the wind out of our sails. One of my friends was so mad at the finish that she just left, which in retrospect was a bummer, as she was the only one that was really invested in seeing Daniel Bryan win.

So kind of a downer show for our crowd, though we all agreed that it wasn't as bad as the Super Bowl.
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#65 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
Did anyone else find it funny when Rock said, "FINALLY...The Rock has come BACK...to Wrestlemania!" during his fourth consecutive Wrestlemania appearance?



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#66 Posted on
I was debating on ordering the network, before the show, but I went ahead and got it on Saturday. I was able to test out it's streaming capabilities on the Hall of Fame and I didn't have a problem at all for the HOF or during the Wrestlemania broadcast.

As for the show itself, I'm still shocked at the Undertaker losing. I had tweeted during the match that it was dull because there was no drama. It is the first time in years that I didn't think there was even a small chance that Taker would lose the streak. Yet it happened while I was playing games on my phone.

The tag title match was great, everybody got a chance to shine, and the Uso's got a win, and the Real American's finally broke up, which worked.

The Shield match was perfectly booked, they came out looking great.

The Cena/Wyatt match was great, I loved the story of Cena trying to not turn to the dark side, I just wish he had of somewhat. In my mind the perfect ending would have been him winning, but then hitting at least one more AA after the match, and leaving disgusted with himself while Wyatt laid on the mat with a smile on his face. Even though Cena overcame the odds I can see this feud continuing, and Cena getting a little darker next month at Extreme Rules

The battle royal was booked perfectly, all the main players got to hit some spots and Ceasaro came out looking like a million bucks.

The diva's match happened...

The night long story of Daniel Bryan was spot-on. He beat Triple H in a great match only to get further beaten down, becoming an even bigger underdog. Then the triple-threat was done perfectly when you consider the participants. I agree with others who were worried about Orton's bump on the monitor, I'm amazed he was able to keep going because that looked like it hurt. Props for him. Also props for Batista tapping cleanly,and for Triple H for once again letting Bryan get the better of him. My only complaint about the celebration was that they wanted a shot of everybody chanting yes in the arena, yet they dropped so much confetti there were times you could hardly see the ring.

Overall this Wrestlemania felt like a complete changing of the guard, and now the focus is going to be on a new generation being led by Daniel Bryan.

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#67 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by Above Average 1
    The night long story of Daniel Bryan was spot-on.


Hell, I'd adjust that to say that the YEAR-long story of Daniel Bryan was spot-on. Or however long it was.

There have been some quite strong statements and discussions -- including on this site -- about how the WWE was screwing over its fanbase with how they were misusing Daniel Bryan. So my question now -- was it worth it? Was last night's epic conclusion a fitting end to The Story of Daniel Bryan, or do some still feel that his quest for the title was off track in a number of places?

A secondary question within that, perhaps, is if this was always the "end game" they had in mind or if this was put in place solely because of the fan reaction during the storyline. I tend to think that this was the plan all along, but I'm sure others will disagree.
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#68 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.85
I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question but here goes: How can anyone credibly beat Daniel Bryan now?

He took everyone's finishers (two at the same time, THROUGH A TABLE) and won two matches against the top three heels in the title picture. You can argue he was buoyed by the Yes Movement, but when he loses next, do we say the audience isn't there for him?

[So what would you do differently, mister man?] I dunno. We wanted a satisfying ending, and we got it. Bryan climbed Everest and outlasted the Authority's machinations and even managed to get cheers by clobbering Stephanie. This was the Passion of the Beard, down to his resurrection from the stretcher. If I paid to see Bryan's ascension, I got my money's worth.

So. Is it just the magic of 'Mania?





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#69 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
      Originally posted by Above Average 1
      The night long story of Daniel Bryan was spot-on.


    Hell, I'd adjust that to say that the YEAR-long story of Daniel Bryan was spot-on. Or however long it was.

I'd say two years. The 18-second loss at Wrestlemania 28 was the true starting point of the story that concluded last night. It made Bryan the most over guy in the company, and launched the crowd rebellion. (Even though Bryan's WHC run was wiped from history in the recap package last night.)



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#70 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.73

    -The Shield, now each 2-0 (Miz falls to 3-1!), begin simultaneous New Streaks for the next few years, giving them chances to each get to at least 5-0 before they have to face each other at Manias to get it down to one New Streak holder

    -Rob Van Dam, now holding the #1 Wrestlemania Record of All-Time, is suddenly imbued with the power of The Dead Man and returns on Raw as The Undertoker, complete with a long jacket with airbrushed dragons and stuff.


First of all, wow do I ever enjoy Dr. Unlikely's posts. Secondly, that battle royal last night wiped out several streaks, so right now the Shield guys are all 2-0 and Cesaro is 1-0 (though his preshow loss taints things a bit). I am totally on board with the Shield eventually fighting amongst each other for the "new Streak."

In the name of keeping Heyman on our TV screens, there are worse ideas than bringing back RVD for the year, turning him heel and have Heyman manage him. All the while Heyman could actually play up the "RVD is 4-0 at Mania" thing as a snarky reminder that Brock ended the Streak, and then you can have one of Reigns/Ambrose/Rollins/Cesaro/guy in his Mania debut beat Van Dam at WM31. The best part is that RVD will literally have to not change any aspect of his character in a heel turn.

Looking into the record books, it occurs to me that Sable is 3-0 at Wrestlemania. Lesnar, husband of the year, fighting to make his wife the only unbeaten performer in Mania history! Next year, Brock is in a handicap match against Road Warrior Animal and Ax.



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#71 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.51
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#72 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question but here goes: How can anyone credibly beat Daniel Bryan now?

    He took everyone's finishers (two at the same time, THROUGH A TABLE) and won two matches against the top three heels in the title picture. You can argue he was buoyed by the Yes Movement, but when he loses next, do we say the audience isn't there for him?

    [So what would you do differently, mister man?] I dunno. We wanted a satisfying ending, and we got it. Bryan climbed Everest and outlasted the Authority's machinations and even managed to get cheers by clobbering Stephanie. This was the Passion of the Beard, down to his resurrection from the stretcher. If I paid to see Bryan's ascension, I got my money's worth.

    So. Is it just the magic of 'Mania?




Is this, perhaps The Ricky Steamboat Effect? There was such a great chase with Steamboat going after Savage, and then ... I hate to say it, but dullness as champ, to the point that they put the title on The Honky Tonk Man in short order.

I don't think that's going to happen here (dullness or HTM holding the title), but I do think they'll have no problem telling a great story of who can potentially take the title from him. Orton never got pinned, of course, so that's likely first up. Brock is likely in line. If Punk comes back, I'd love to see a bitter "you don't appreciate all I've done for you" Punk going after the title. Bray Wyatt already holds a win over him. Hell, if they really want to be bold they call pull the "I told you that you'd get a shot if I won -- how about returning the favor" card with Cena and further the audience hatred of him. lol.
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#73 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.68
    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Is this, perhaps The Ricky Steamboat Effect? There was such a great chase with Steamboat going after Savage, and then ... I hate to say it, but dullness as champ, to the point that they put the title on The Honky Tonk Man in short order.


They put the title on Honky Tonk Man in short order because Vince got pissed off when Steamboat asked for paternity leave. The "dullness" that you speak of is probably due to the fact that there weren't monthly big events and weekly large events with which to build up storylines.
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#74 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.94
One more thought on the Divas match: The finish was either botched or had some quality storytelling that the no one picked up on because (a) they were still thinking about Taker (b) they were taking a bathroom break (c) the commentary team sucks and didn't point it out or (d) all of the above.

AJ had the Black Widow locked in. The ref was hopping back and forth trying to get a good lock at Naomi's hand for the tap. He finally ended up on the wrong side. Once he was there, AJ picked up Naomi's hand and moved it up and down to make it look like she was tapping. From the ref's viewpoint, he only saw the top of her hand moving up and down and called for the bell.

If this was planned, AJ cheated to beat the odds and no one pointed it out. If it was a botch, I'm assuming Naomi wasn't tapping when she was supposed to and AJ just helped things along.

Edited to add because I've posted too many times already: Turns out there were 31 men in the 30-man battle royal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WrestleMania_XXX#Results

(edited by SchippeWreck on 7.4.14 1045)


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#75 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.11
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question but here goes: How can anyone credibly beat Daniel Bryan now?

    He took everyone's finishers (two at the same time, THROUGH A TABLE) and won two matches against the top three heels in the title picture. You can argue he was buoyed by the Yes Movement, but when he loses next, do we say the audience isn't there for him?


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#76 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    I apologize if this is the wrong thread for this question but here goes: How can anyone credibly beat Daniel Bryan now?

    He took everyone's finishers (two at the same time, THROUGH A TABLE) and won two matches against the top three heels in the title picture. You can argue he was buoyed by the Yes Movement, but when he loses next, do we say the audience isn't there for him?

    [So what would you do differently, mister man?] I dunno. We wanted a satisfying ending, and we got it. Bryan climbed Everest and outlasted the Authority's machinations and even managed to get cheers by clobbering Stephanie. This was the Passion of the Beard, down to his resurrection from the stretcher. If I paid to see Bryan's ascension, I got my money's worth.

    So. Is it just the magic of 'Mania?




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#77 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.33
    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    If this was planned, AJ cheated to beat the odds and no one pointed it out. If it was a botch, I'm assuming Naomi wasn't tapping when she was supposed to and AJ just helped things along.


It was an awesomely heelish move by AJ, but if you look closely, when AJ uses Naomi's hand to tap out Naomi's other hand is simultaneously tapping out on its own against AJ's leg. That would have been the hand the referee would have seen from his position, so it was a legitimate submission victory.
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#78 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.03
This is half the replies I started last night before going to bed and half from today so it's going to be embarrassingly long and I'm sorry.


    Originally posted by Hobbes
    It seems like people who are high on the Bryan win are thinking this is one of the best WMs ever, and people had their buzz ruined by Brock's win are going the opposite way, but I think this show will settle in as a very good but not greatest Mania. There have been Manias with more good matches and Manias with better single matches, but who would've guessed when we saw the leaked card weeks ago that where this WM would really deliver is not in match quality, but in historic WrestleMania moments?

    Between the WWE mount rushmore to start the show, it being the first PPV on the WWE Network, the streak ending and Daniel Bryan winning, this is one of the most memorable Manias in recent years. If however in a couple years we find Bryan is still one of the top two or three biggest stars in the company, Undertaker is retired, PPV is dead with the Network still doing well, and Cesaro and at least one Shield member are in the main event mix, then I feel like this show gets upgraded to one of the top five most noteworthy WrestleManias of all time, and becomes one of the most dramatic changing of the guards I can remember.


This is an excellent post.

It's funny, the show worked as both the dawning of a new age and the series finale of WWE. If that was their Final Nitro, they couldn't have laid out a more grandiose conclusion than the streak ending, Bryan vanquishing all his foes, the Continental Congress of Rock and Austin and Hogan, Cena overcoming the odds no one wanted him too one last time, and Fandango's comeuppance.

Definitely the best Wrestlemania since the early 20s, can't say which one. It can't match #19 in ring but it's certainly a night where the finishes and what they represented made it more than just an excellent Wrestlemania from the prime Michaels and Undertaker years (their primes being their 40s, oddly enough).


    How in the world does Brock end the streak? When Brock hit the third F5 I thought "That's weird, is this really the only near fall Brock has?" and then he...won. I have to figure either Taker decided he was too old for this shit very shortly before the match happened, or he is such a UFC fan that he would rather put over a real fighter instead of Cena or an up and comer.


Major Monday morning quarterbacking, but I think I would've had him kick out of the third F5. This is the Undertaker and Wrestlemania after all. He goes to an unearthly realm. He kicked out of a superkick and a Pedigree. He cannot be destroyed.

So you do that, and the crowd ... gives a polite muffled pop for Taker kicking out of a finisher at Wrestlemania again because they know the script.

So Brock picks him up and F5s again. Doesn't cover because kicking out of four would be absurd. Taker is, you know ... dead. No blocking, no throwing punches. Lesnar picks him and gives him the third F5 in a row. Ay, you piece of shit crowd think he's kicking out of this one now? Tension and doubt and fright finally start to set in like when Triple H delivered THE Tombstone. 1, 2, yep that's it, for real.

Far less shock value, theoretically more drama. (Well, maybe. That crowd was dead.) The conception of the finish being so definitive was probably that the Tombstone was kicked out of and the second one got reversed, meaning it's all over, man. So you know what, nevermind.




So, I think the likelihood is that there was no grand exit strategy and Undertaker just realized he don't got it no more during rehearsals this year, then addressed the longtime streak question of whether Taker would insist on losing due to OLD SCHOOL* or if keeping the record perfect was too good a story to pass up. Well, that answers that.

* oh god, Taker lost the match when he couldn't pull off the rope walk anymore. WOE TO UNYIELDING MORTALITY

But let's entertain the idea that, for whatever reason, Punk won last year. The streak is broken at the end of a hot match by a guy who part of the crowd treated as co-babyface and pretended had a chance to win. Basically opposite circumstances of last night. What happens when one of the nearfalls people were popping for is a three-count? And is everyone cheering Punk happy, or were they just being oooh, such rebels, who were not careful what they wished for?

Going into Wrestlemania 26 and the HBK rematch, I was saying Shawn Michaels should just win and then have it be both guys' retirement, taking what was going to be a guaranteed great match into an all-time unforgettable moment and scene. But then we never would've gotten three more classics and the ongoing Triple H/Michaels/Undertaker passion play.

My other alternate pitch would be that Undertaker is disqualified for excessive choking of Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka beyond a count of 5.


    Originally posted by Horsemen4Ever
    Adam Rose had his original music back.


This is possibly the most important story of the weekend. WOO


    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely
    The ref says "You gotta get him in the ring, Wyatt!" and Bray turns to him and yells "I KNOW WHAT I HAVE TO DO, REFEREE! I'VE FIGURED IT ALL OUT!"


I almost thought Summer and Fandango casually conversing in character was the weekend's best example of the job NXT is doing in helping talent flesh out and embody characters. Nope. They should name the developmental center after Bray Wyatt.


    (IF I had a complaint about the final sequence, it was the announcers either not knowing or bothering to say who was briefly in the ring with Bryan. I'm guessing they just didn't know - I read later it was apparently his sister and niece - but the way it came off was like Daniel Bryan had a Super Secret Hidden Family all along.)


I don't even want to make this joke but it was just too weird -- felt like they were shooting footage in advance for Nancy Grace. Shudder. Triple H doing the WM20 finish with the crossface roll back to the middle of the ring, also eerie.


    Also, whatever they pay Paul Heyman, they should double it. His work in the hype package and during the match was peerless.


I have had "eat. sleep. conquer. repeat" with his demented inflection from the video stuck in my head today and I don't like it.


    Originally posted by Hokienautic
    Was last night's epic conclusion a fitting end to The Story of Daniel Bryan, or do some still feel that his quest for the title was off track in a number of places?


Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy........... affirmative. Completely worth it in the long run. They should've come up with much better finishes for the three Orton PPV matches, Daniel Wyatt was a big time bullet dodge, and I still would've liked to have seen him win the Royal Rumble, but that was really the event horizon of the whole saga, which should've been the definitive end of the whole game yet somehow made it even bigger and added the Batista resentment factor.


    I tend to think that this was the plan all along, but I'm sure others will disagree.


In my personal guessing, at the end of the Orton program they wanted him to have a match with Shawn Michaels at Wrestlemania. Batista was going to come back and win the Rumble and the championship. When Shawn gave them a firm no, they stuck to the rest of their card and plugged in Sheamus as Bryan's opponent. When Punk quit, he was moved up to wrestle Triple H, with a possible plan to put the title on him sometime after Wrestlemania. And it wasn't until Batista continued getting booed past the Rumble that they went all in with the Batista heel turn and the perfect evening. It was fate that brought us here, the same fate that keeps Christian off of every Wrestlemania.


    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    Even though Bryan's WHC run was wiped from history in the recap package last night.


Can we talk about that now that it aired on the main broadcast? A pretty wonderful concoction even with the curious song choice. A MAWNSTER.

In not just real life but k.fabe I think the story of Daniel Bryan is the fans/"WWE Universe" rallying around him after a devastating setback. But I understand excising the World Title and 18 seconds era since the theme of the video was that he was not allowed to be champion.

Let's start pre-emptively panicking about the title going from Bryan to Brock to Roman Reigns at WM31. I'm already upset. A new quest begins!

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    Originally posted by Dr Unlikely

    So, yeah, still genuinely shocked and unsure about that whole thing. No matter what, it shoots up to a Top Three Wrestlemania Moments list now and forever. And there are a few ways they can do something with this:

    -Brock vs. Bryan at SummerSlam

    -The Shield, now each 2-0 (Miz falls to 3-1!), begin simultaneous New Streaks for the next few years, giving them chances to each get to at least 5-0 before they have to face each other at Manias to get it down to one New Streak holder



Not bad. Then, the following year, the last one standing has to defend against Brock and try to do what the Dead Man couldn't. Has potential.

    Originally posted by SchippeWreck
    Did anyone else find it funny when Rock said, "FINALLY...The Rock has come BACK...to Wrestlemania!" during his fourth consecutive Wrestlemania appearance?


After Hogan's "Silverdome" gaffe, he should have said "FINALLY...The Rock has come BACK...to 1987!"
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#80 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.09
Still sticking with MOANSTER. Lots of moaning out there.

Despite never really connecting the dots on the Scott Armstrong portion of the saga last year, it was nice to give him a callback appearance.

Funny how Jimmy Snuka hasn't made any public appearances since the murder thing came back, isn't it? If Tamina drops her last name again, you'll know an arrest is imminent...





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