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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
This should be spoiler-free:

Got to see it at an advance screening tonight and enjoyed it. Certainly not as good as the Donner/Reeve Superman but still an enjoyable movie. Was surprised at the "briefness" of a few things that the trailers would have led me to believe was a HUGE focus of the movie, but was used in what I thought was a more effective way to move the story along and add "weight" to some of the moments being shown.

I thought there were some large assumptions on how much casual fans actually knew of the Superman "mythos" that I would think could be confusing to someone who hasn't read any of the Kryptonian lore type comics or seen the first couple of Donner/Reeve movies, although it gets sort of explained at the climax of the movie.

The majority of the audience cheered when it was over (me and my son included) and I think it will do good business this weekend. The 3D (non-IMAX) was pretty nice and the action sequences were very large in scope (which you would expect with Kryptonians battling each other).

There was no post credits scene shown to us, but I believe some people who got to see some of the Marvel movies at sneak peeks mentioned not having an after credits scene only to hear of one at the opening weekend shows, so yeah.

We enjoyed it and give it two thumbs up for what that's worth.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.25
Would you put the tone as on par or cheerier than the Nolan Bat movies?

(edited by Mike Zeidler on 12.6.13 0133)


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Since: 28.2.02
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
I'm seeing Man of Steel tonight and will most likely review it immediately.

Until then, if you wouldn't mind indulging me, some hopeful pre-Man of Steel thoughts I Tweeted out collected as No Pressure, Man of Steel. (backofthehead.com)



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DrewDewce
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    Would you put the tone as on par or cheerier than the Nolan Bat movies?

    (edited by Mike Zeidler on 12.6.13 0133)


I've only seen "The Dark Knight" of the Nolan Bat movies and I would say it's closely akin to that in tone HOWEVER you do see Superman smile on occasion which is nice.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
SPOILERS. Man of Steel (backofthehead.com) brings action the likes of which we've never seen from a Superman movie before.

Here's some spoiler-free (for once) plain speak beyond my review:

I really liked it. It felt different, which to me was a virtue because the last thing I wanted was anything retreading Donner/Lester/Singer and this was not that. I have issues with some of the structure, I guess. Goyer structured Man of Steel's script like Batman Begins. It felt a little slight on substance at times but it was building and building momentum and when the action starts, it's staggering. Man of Steel reimagines the scope of what a Superman movie can be, and this isn't even to say Reeve's films weren't already global. But the sheer scale of Man of Steel was astonishing. There was really nothing I disliked in the movie, two or three choices I was stunned by, and a lot of stuff in the second half I was wowed by.

I liked the dealings between Superman and Harry Lennix and Christopher Meloni. I liked Cavill a lot. And I loved Lois and their relationship. Cavill and Adams were adults acting like adults, not adults behaving as twentysomethings (Smallville) nor twentysomethings pretending to be adults (Routh and Bosworth). Overall, I thought for what Man of Steel set out to do, it's really, really good.

Oh, spoilers:


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
I GASPED when Superman snapped Zod's neck, and then in the back of my head, I felt relief and a little pride. He did it, he made the hard call. He grew up. They shed the childish "Superman doesn't kill, wah wah" notions. There was no other choice to stop Zod. There's no rehabilitating him, no prison will hold him, and Superman did it to save regular people.


(edited by John Orquiola on 13.6.13 0828)

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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.74
Action-wise it's astonishing. Still not nailed Supes' character, but this is the best attempt since the 70s. Looking forward to the sequel.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.21
I really enjoyed the action scenes as well as the cast.

So odd to see my long-time crush Diane Lane as an old woman (yes, I know, makeup).

One of the arctic officers was Alessandro Juliani, who played Dr. Emil Hamilton on Smallville.
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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
Mackenzie Gray was definitely not Lex Luthor but one of Zod's henchmen. LOL Nice nod to LexCorp on the gasoline truck and another famous DC comics corporation on the satellite that Zod and Superman fights on. Glad they did say Superman and called him Superman. Did they even show the title "Man of Steel" in the opening? They showed it at the end of the movie.
kentish
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
      Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
      Would you put the tone as on par or cheerier than the Nolan Bat movies?

      (edited by Mike Zeidler on 12.6.13 0133)


    I've only seen "The Dark Knight" of the Nolan Bat movies and I would say it's closely akin to that in tone HOWEVER you do see Superman smile on occasion which is nice.

I will go see this movie if you promise to see Batman Begins, Drew. Also, DK Rises debuts on HBO tomorrow night.
lotjx
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
Yeah...I don't about the fate of Zod. I think that was a bridge too far. Good cast, a little too much Matrix CGI at the end, but most of the effects were really good.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.25
I've heard from multiple people that if you "had a tough time living through 9/11" (as one of them put it) you should consider not seeing Man of Steel.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.00
I saw it in IMAX3D last night. It was my first IMAX movie so of course I was completely blown away by the experience. I would absolutely recommend seeing it in IMAX just for the last half hour alone.

But, man the sheer scope of the damage caused by two guys punching each other was ridiculous. I'm waiting for the fictional bean counters to give us their estimates for property damage and civilian casualties.

It was fun; just turn off your brain and try to ignore all of the gaping plot holes that pop up.

DrewDewce
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by kentish
      Originally posted by DrewDewce
        Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
        Would you put the tone as on par or cheerier than the Nolan Bat movies?

        (edited by Mike Zeidler on 12.6.13 0133)


      I've only seen "The Dark Knight" of the Nolan Bat movies and I would say it's closely akin to that in tone HOWEVER you do see Superman smile on occasion which is nice.

    I will go see this movie if you promise to see Batman Begins, Drew. Also, DK Rises debuts on HBO tomorrow night.


Thanks for the heads up on DK Rises. I have Batman Begins on DVD (maybe even DKR) and once hockey is over I'm going to have some time to watch some movies that are stacked up on my "To Watch" list so get out and go see MOS ;-)

(I think I'm going to re-watch Blade Runner 1st tho, got the urge today to see if it still holds up for me now that they're supposedly working on a sequel and/or prequel)



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
The 57% Rotten on rottentomatoes.com stuns me. (rottentomatoes.com)

Yes, of course Man of Steel has flaws, but I think this critical reaction is absurd. The critics really blew it on this one. Not that their opinion will ultimately matter if audiences turn out to love Man of Steel.

Two good reviews (besides mine, ahem) I've read online are:

Drew McWeeney's gushing love on HitFix. (hitfix.com)

Devin Faraci's fair and accurate review looking at the good and bad in Man of Steel. (badassdigest.com)

Plus a great in depth interview with David S. Goyer at Ain't It Cool. (aintitcool.com)

(edited by John Orquiola on 14.6.13 1641)


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kentish
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.97
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
      Originally posted by kentish
        Originally posted by DrewDewce
          Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
          Would you put the tone as on par or cheerier than the Nolan Bat movies?

          (edited by Mike Zeidler on 12.6.13 0133)


        I've only seen "The Dark Knight" of the Nolan Bat movies and I would say it's closely akin to that in tone HOWEVER you do see Superman smile on occasion which is nice.

      I will go see this movie if you promise to see Batman Begins, Drew. Also, DK Rises debuts on HBO tomorrow night.


    Thanks for the heads up on DK Rises. I have Batman Begins on DVD (maybe even DKR) and once hockey is over I'm going to have some time to watch some movies that are stacked up on my "To Watch" list so get out and go see MOS ;-)

    (I think I'm going to re-watch Blade Runner 1st tho, got the urge today to see if it still holds up for me now that they're supposedly working on a sequel and/or prequel)

I rewatched blade runner and dune this year. Blade holds up except maybe some of the costumes. Dune, not so much.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
Guys, please talk about Man of Steel. I'd love to hear more opinions about it, pro and con. I'm a lot less interested in the thread being jacked for what DVDs you have and haven't seen.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.12
Back on topic. Its kinda sad that I have to warn my friend not to take his child to see a Superman movie. As for the hard choice at the end, I disagree. There were five different ways for that to end and none of them had to make Superman into something he is not.



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.00
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Back on topic. Its kinda sad that I have to warn my friend not to take his child to see a Superman movie. As for the hard choice at the end, I disagree. There were five different ways for that to end and none of them had to make Superman into something he is not.


Yeah, I am debating on taking the kids to see it this weekend (I already saw it on the Walmart Thursday screening)... Iron Man 3 was alright because there's lots of joking around and that little kid is "hilarious" to kids. But I expect to get questions at the end "Superman does that???" I think they were brainstorming and they were all like "how can we make Superman cool in 2013?" And that unexpected thing he does would get everyone talking, good or bad. I really hope they make north of $100million this weekend so we get a sequel and eventually Justice League.

Other than that, bummed that he didn't throw his cellophane "S" at the Kryptonians and didn't use his mind-erasing kiss on Lois at the end. LOL

(edited by oudom on 14.6.13 2024)
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.46
    Originally posted by lotjx
    There were five different ways for that to end and none of them had to make Superman into something he is not.


But Superman already is that.


Spoiler Below: Highlight text to read
Mark Waid agrees wholeheartedly (bleedingcool.com), but follow down the article and we see Superman has killed before, specifically Zod, in the past. The precedent is there.

Also, didn't Superman kill Doomsday at the same time Doomsday killed him? The memory of that story was always Superman died but didn't Doomsday also die by Superman's hand simultaneously?

In my view, there was no way to ultimately stop Zod except to kill him. There's no prison on Earth that can hold him, the Kryptonian ships were destroyed so no tech from there could hold him, the Phantom Zone was destroyed when Krypton was... what was Superman to do in the time he had and the circumstances he was in? Throw Zod into the sun? That would only make him more powerful? Bury him in the Earth or in the moon? He'd just come back and wreak more havoc.

There is no room in the universe for General Zod. Letting him live would have ultimately continued to endanger Earth. To me, it was the right call. I endorse Super Neck Snap.




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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.76

For people that want a more archetypal Superman, I believe all of the Dini/Timm Superman:TAS are still on Netflix.





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