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http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/09/justice/ohio-batman-weapons-charges/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn

This makes me a little nervous. I don't carry guns with me, but that's the exact seat I pick in the theater if I go by myself. I'm 6'5 and I don't like to block other people's view of the screen, and if i sit in front of other people i tend to slouch and get really uncomfortable towards the end of the movie.

So, it's now an arrestable offense for me to go to a movie by myself and get there early.




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I'm sure you'd be okay (even if they keep an eye on you) as long as you don't have that loaded gun and extra ammo clips and knives in a bag next to you.

And I bet he didn't behave like a regular visitor would, checking stuff on their phone or whatever.

Even if the guy was just there to do what he says ("protect myself and others in case something happens") this seems a bit..scary?

Would anybody want that type of protection? (basically be caught between a lunatic with a gun and a vigilante with a gun)




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    Originally posted by dMp
    (basically be caught between a lunatic with a gun and a vigilante with a gun)



I think you've repeated yourself there.



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    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
      Originally posted by dMp
      (basically be caught between a lunatic with a gun and a vigilante with a gun)



    I think you've repeated yourself there.


The idea of an average citizen being able to respond to an armed nutcase sounds great to many but unless you are properly trained and/or know what you are doing it's a powder keg.



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In fact, instead-of dragging a bag of weapons along to the theatre, how-about you pick up a Kevlar t-shirt and wear it to the theatre to "protect people" instead.  Cheaper than a gun! Less chance of accidently injuring someone else!



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    Originally posted by Mike Zeidler
    In fact, instead-of dragging a bag of weapons along to the theatre, how-about you pick up a Kevlar t-shirt and wear it to the theatre to "protect people" instead.


Was about to bitch about the color, but then looked around and found a black one (dragginjeans.com). These are actually something I need for work right now and ordered 2. Thanks.



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Lots of Second Amendment talk from the commentariat, but nobody seems to be asking how this fellow came to waive his Fourth Amendment rights against unreasonable search. Think the off duty cop conned him into agreeing to it?

The charges listed look like a bit of a reach to find SOMETHING to charge him with, but CNN may have omitted some crucial details as well. Did the cinema list a "no weapons" sign?

Another story (cleveland.com) says 18 of the 21 counts are for possession of guns or rifles back at his house, which is presumably not within general vicinity of the theatre. But a case with "21 felony counts" sounds much more sinister (and media worthy!) than "3 counts," one of which was for knives.

I'm not usually one for sticking with the guy who was obviously going to shoot up the theatre full of people, but the dude shouldn't have consented to the search. The manager could have refused his business, refunded his money and asked him to leave after he said "no," but he should have said "no."

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I assume he consented to the search because he's a crazy person and had no clue he was doing anything wrong and/or illegal.

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It is illegal to carry a firearm on private property where the owner/business has a sign prohibiting it, concealed carry laws or not. We had to ask patrons about this at Gameworks on occasion, if someone was walking around with body language indicating a concealed weapon. Never had a problem with it, just a "excuse me are you carrying a weapon?" And if they answered in the affirmative, we asked them to put it in their car before reentering the premises. Most, if not all major movie chains have rules against carrying weapons inside. Some states may have specific laws against weapons in a theater like there is for bars. (I can't remember if our having a no-weapons policy was entirely by choice or if it was because we sold beer)

/edit My point was, that if I, with very little training can pick up on the indicators, this guy was likely practically wearing a neon sign to an off duty cop. The seat isn't the main indicator, but combined with an incongruous bag the dude kept checking/holding/clutching, pretty obvious.

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You're talking about the infamous KROQ "Confess Your Crimes" segment of the Kevin & Bean Morning show. Archived article at TOTSE: http://www.totse.com/en/media/radio_free_amerika/radhoax.
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