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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.39
I have only played Madden football for N64. It looks extremely complicated for Gamecube. Is it? I'm in the market for a new football game and Madden seems to be the crowd favorite for the Gamecube options. How hard is the game to learn for someone who's new to it?





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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by chill
    I have only played Madden football for N64. It looks extremely complicated for Gamecube. Is it? I'm in the market for a new football game and Madden seems to be the crowd favorite for the Gamecube options. How hard is the game to learn for someone who's new to it?




I'm assuming its much the same on the GC as it is on the X-box. If not ignore me completely and move on.

I'd been about 3/4 years out of the loop on Madden before buying 2003. The controls took a heck of a lot of getting use to at first, and I found I actually had to learn how to use the secondary if I failed to sack the QB (I used to get by just letting the computer control that).

The learning curve on it (and 2004) is pretty sweet though, and in 2004 the little video packages to explain all the new shit are actually half way helpful.

As long as you start of on a relatively low difficulty you should pick it up pretty quickly. I'd get to know your playbooks early doors thoug. The old approach of just finding one or two REALLY good plays no longer works, and you have to be pretty good at calling hot routes and audibles once you get up to All Madden level.

Oh, and avoid playing against Atlanta like the plague. Unless you fancy chasing Vick's shadow around the park for ever more....



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Thanks. The more opinions I can find, the better. Is your advice to me that it's best to find one team I like and learn only their playbook? I'm hoping this isn't a game I have to study for weeks in order to compete with the computer at an easy level.

Madden 04 is the one I'm looking at and it costs $39.99 CDN (which is around $29 US). I've been reading up on IGN.com, so if there are other sites that are just as good or better, lemme know!

To everyone who posts: Which team(s) do you prefer to use, and which teams/players were you surprised by (good or bad)?

p.s. How's Tampa Bay in this one?



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I actually enjoy playing against Vick, if only because the game counts it as a sack when he scrambles for a loss, and as the Eagles, that happens an awful lot.

The only problem that I've had with the GC version of the game is that the GC controller isn't exactly sports game friendly.

You can pick it up and play it, but it takes maybe a few days or so to know what works and what doesn't. It seems to me that each team has a few plays on each side of the ball that work best. It's not a steep learning curve, though.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.53
    Originally posted by Roy.
    I actually enjoy playing against Vick, if only because the game counts it as a sack when he scrambles for a loss, and as the Eagles, that happens an awful lot.

    The only problem that I've had with the GC version of the game is that the GC controller isn't exactly sports game friendly.

    You can pick it up and play it, but it takes maybe a few days or so to know what works and what doesn't. It seems to me that each team has a few plays on each side of the ball that work best. It's not a steep learning curve, though.


If you're going to play Madden 2004, I'd suggest playing Pro difficulty for the most realism and a decent learning curve. A good Madden player can win many games without dominating w/ the proper knowledge of his team and oppenent.

I have the PC version (but using a PS2-style gamepad for it) and rented the GC version, and there aren't many differences in controls. The GC face buttons map similarly to the PS2 controls:

B = Square
A = X
Y = Triangle
X = Circle

The problem many EA sports gamers may have with the GC is probably how the shoulder buttons are mapped. EA Sports games are designed for the PS2 controller, but the GC controller has only 3 shoulder buttons. I've no problems using GC for sports games. The face buttons having different shapes should assist players to know which button to use.

Do you have a GC right now, chill?
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.36
Wait a few weeks to buy it used. Once 2005 drops, the price will come tumbling down as everyone tries to dump theirs. That, or wait for 2005 and get it.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.31
    Originally posted by chill
    Thanks. The more opinions I can find, the better. Is your advice to me that it's best to find one team I like and learn only their playbook? I'm hoping this isn't a game I have to study for weeks in order to compete with the computer at an easy level.


It's not, you should blitz through the first couple of difficuties in no time but they're good for getting to know what works and what doesn't. All-Pro level's tough but easily beatable once you get better. All-Madden's a bitch and I can still lose the odd game even after way too much practise.

It is best to learn one playbook to start off with. My problem came in Franchise mode when after winning three straight rings Andy Reid decided it was time to call it a day. I thought I'd try out a new playbook but damn did I suck while I was learning it


    Which team(s) do you prefer to use, and which teams/players were you surprised by (good or bad)?


I always stick with the Eagles. Partly for the obvious reasons, but partly because I love having a mobile QB who can roll out of the pocket and take off when he needs to. Used to be Randall, now its McNabb. I struggle like hell to play any other way.

Troy Hambrick of the Cowboys is annoyingly good and I don't think I'll ever recover from the embarassment of one of my mates rushing him for 150+ against me. The Steelers and the Browns however are amusingly poor and don't show any signs of improvement even after a few seasons.


    p.s. How's Tampa Bay in this one?


As you'd expect. Impossible to run on and tough to pass on, but their offense blows, especially if you get a couple of scores up and they need to pass.

    Originally posted by Roy
    I actually enjoy playing against Vick, if only because the game counts it as a sack when he scrambles for a loss, and as the Eagles, that happens an awful lot.


See my problem is I always start off controlling a D-lineman or a blitzing LB. The number of times I've been coming from the blind side one step away from him and he's taken off just in the nick of time ain't even funny. And a foot race between Hollis Thomas and Vick is just cruel to watch....



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.36
    Originally posted by JALman
    Do you have a GC right now, chill?


Indeed, I do. I tried out most of the games that were at my Blockbuster, back when I worked there through college. But never any football ones. Sports games are better for owning, I find. Medal of Honor and Splinter Cell were my repeat offenses, most weeks. All the games I own for GC are sports ones, which are perfect for playing alone or with the guys:

-Wrestlemania XIX
-NHL 2003 (fairly updated to current rosters on my memory card)
-Tiger Woods Golf 2003
-WWE Crush Hour
-Kelly Slater's Pro Surfer (just like Tony Hawk, except awesome scenery...and it's surfing)
-NBA Street

The only thing stopping me from trading/selling my WM XIX when Day of Reckoning comes out is the time I've put into my 20 CAW's.

    Originally posted by dMr
    And a foot race between Hollis Thomas and Vick is just cruel to watch....


It's funny just thinking about that.

And I just may hold off until 2005 comes out and then pick up a cheap version of 2004. Unless I find one for $20. (yeah, that'll be the day)

Oh hey, most football games I've played before provide access to legends. Any included on this? I used to get a thrill out of pushing down the field with Montana-to-Rice in the red and gold.

(edited by chill on 27.7.04 2358)


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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.53
    Originally posted by chill
    It's funny just thinking about that.

    And I just may hold off until 2005 comes out and then pick up a cheap version of 2004. Unless I find one for $20. (yeah, that'll be the day)

    Oh hey, most football games I've played before provide access to legends. Any included on this? I used to get a thrill out of pushing down the field with Montana-to-Rice in the red and gold.

    (edited by chill on 27.7.04 2358)


If you have a decent PC, then Madden 2004 could be yours for under $20 (I paid about $13 direct from EA). The PC version has been cheap since after the Super Bowl.

Anyways, Madden 2004 has many classic teams, but no classic players. The only you could do is edit the roster and change names from the generic "QB #16" to "Joe Montana." On second thought, I'll have to check to see if names on the classic rosters can be changed.

(edited by JALman on 28.7.04 0117)
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.32
Is there a Create-A-Player in the game?

(edited by chill on 1.8.04 1112)

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.53
    Originally posted by chill
    Is there a Create-A-Player in the game?


Yup, along with Create-A-Team and Create-A-Playbook.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.48
I've bought 2003 and 2004 for Cube, and I've had no problem with the controller feel. I've played all three console versions and they all play about the same.

And I haven't played against Vick that often since I'm the Falcons nearly everytime, but it's not impossible to catch him.



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Okay, so I bought the game. Only $29.99 CDN, which is somewhere around $22 US, I'm guessing. I'm picking it up pretty fast, except I use the stiff arm and sprinting a lot on the run... which results in me calling timeouts by accident. Very annoying mistake on my part.

Most times I scramble with my QB, he's so slow that it seems like I'm doing something wrong. Is there a button to press when I want to do that?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.48
    Originally posted by chill
    Most times I scramble with my QB, he's so slow that it seems like I'm doing something wrong. Is there a button to press when I want to do that?


You have to bring down the pass icons to scramble. You can't be running full speed and pass at the same time.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.37
    Originally posted by gugs
      Originally posted by chill
      Most times I scramble with my QB, he's so slow that it seems like I'm doing something wrong. Is there a button to press when I want to do that?


    You have to bring down the pass icons to scramble. You can't be running full speed and pass at the same time.


It may just be me, but one thing that niggled me about this system was that as you bring the ball down to scramble the QB has a nasty habit of taking a step in whatever the direction of the nearest rusher is, leading inevitably to sacks.

Actually two things annoyed me now that I think about it. Once the balls been brought down and your running why the hell can't I still try and throw it if I'm behind the line damnit? Adapt the accuracy level accordingly fair enough but if I see a guy WIDE FRICKIN' OPEN while I'm under pressure then I want to be able to throw in his general direction without the delay of bringing up the passing icons again. Soccer games can adjust shooting accuracy for first time shots and shots on the run so quite why MAdden can't is beyond me.[/rant]



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