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Alright.. call me a WWE-brainwasher loser if you will (don't actually ), but I have never seen any other type of wrasslin' other than the glorious WWF/WWE has had to offer these past 2 years. After seeing Mysterio's debut and picking up a few things on the 'Ville (as CRZ would say) I'm curious about the Luchador style.

What I have so far is that it's Mexican, and they are really obsessed with masks, but I have a feeling there is more to it than that.

Could any of the enlightened weiners possibly do some enlightening on this subject? My apologies if this has been touched upon before... but it has really been bugging me lately. Thanks!

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To provide the Reader's Digest condensed version:

* The concept of the "tweener" is almost nonexistent south-of-the-border. Lucha Libre is all about the endless struggle of the technicos (good, clean, rule-abiding babyfaces) to overcome the rudos (mean, evil, CHEAT TO WIN~! bastards). Many wrestlers play both rudo and technico during their careers, but you're generally one or the other at any given time.

* The gimmicks (masked and not) are extremely plentiful, many of which are extremely wacky, intricate and/or imitations of pop-culture characters. (The Power Raiders come to mind.)

* Many lucha matches are best-of-three-falls. In tag-team matches (usually trios), one member is the captain of each team; the fall is lost if either the captain or all the subordinates are pinned/submit. Tags are generally not necessary; when one wrestler goes flying out of the ring, a teammate can come right in.

* Lots of high-flying, lots of mat wrestling, lots of intricate stunt-show spots, lots of ludicrous submission holds, often buckets of blood.

* The mask is sacred. Once you lose it, you never put it back on. Hence, mask vs. mask (or mask vs. hair, for those without masks) matches are extremely major events. (Yes, you're allowed to grow your hair back.) The legendary El Santo is one of the few who never lost his mask -- he was buried in it.

* The tombstone piledriver is the rough equivalent of the drive-by shooting. You DON'T get up after that.

* The dreaded EN FOULE! (nut-shot) is every rudo's best friend.

Anyone else?



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#3 Posted on

    Originally posted by AWG
    the 'Ville (as CRZ would say)
Whaa?

No, I wouldn't!



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    Originally posted by vsp
    To provide the Reader's Digest condensed version:

    * The concept of the "tweener" is almost nonexistent south-of-the-border. Lucha Libre is all about the endless struggle of the technicos (good, clean, rule-abiding babyfaces) to overcome the rudos (mean, evil, CHEAT TO WIN~! bastards). Many wrestlers play both rudo and technico during their careers, but you're generally one or the other at any given time.


    Actually, the tweener is not that rare. As we've said in another thread, Shocker and the New Guapos are tweeners. A lot of it has to do with whom you are feuding.


    * The gimmicks (masked and not) are extremely plentiful, many of which are extremely wacky, intricate and/or imitations of pop-culture characters. (The Power Raiders come to mind.)

    * Many lucha matches are best-of-three-falls. In tag-team matches (usually trios), one member is the captain of each team; the fall is lost if either the captain or all the subordinates are pinned/submit. Tags are generally not necessary; when one wrestler goes flying out of the ring, a teammate can come right in.


    Instead of many, I'd say most matches are trios matches.


    * The mask is sacred. Once you lose it, you never put it back on. Hence, mask vs. mask (or mask vs. hair, for those without masks) matches are extremely major events. (Yes, you're allowed to grow your hair back.) The legendary El Santo is one of the few who never lost his mask -- he was buried in it.


    Although he did shock the world and unmasked on a tv show.


    * The tombstone piledriver is the rough equivalent of the drive-by shooting. You DON'T get up after that.


    La Martinete.


    * The dreaded EN FOULE! (nut-shot) is every rudo's best friend.


    You can also have the "fake" groin shot, often done by a heel to get a face DQ'ed.


    Anyone else?



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I'd recommend going to the La Arena section of Highspots, where they have a great faq.



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I'd also recommend watching some Lucha action on TV if it's available in your area (Galavision on Saturday afternoons). It's certainly different from WWE, but it's entertaining. Both major organizations in Mexico, AAA and EMLL, have their really good points about them.

Oh, and as far as the use of "'Ville," that's MY FAULT. So CRZ, you can shoot me whenever you want to. (And I won't use it again!)



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Also, in Mexico, the midgets rule. Really.:)

Referees don't get KO bumped. There are usually two of them in a six-man: one rudo, the other face.



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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    A rudo ref? That must OWN!
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Oh, the situational irony! I love it.



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#9 Posted on
Thanks for the replies everyone. I certainly have a better understanding of it now. I glanced through The Cubs Fan's CMLL recap and actually understood some of it this time.

I definatley think the WWE could benefit more from taking a line or two from the luchador book. I'm tired of all these damn 'shades of grey' types.

It's freakin wrestling, you have two choices: you can be a good guy (yay!), or you can be a bad guy (boo!). Call me simple minded, but damnit, isn't wrestling supposed to be simple minded?? =)

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Luchas rule- I love watching it on Galavision, or whatever. I have no clue what channel it is on, I just point my remote at the cable screen and select Lucha Libre... I may not understand a WORD of what is being said, but they say it with a great deal of energy and the matches are CRAZY!
The Mexican-WWE shows are pretty cool too- they show a quasi recap of Smackdown a lot... I remeber watching it back before Kane got hurt and he was on the recaps COSNTANTLY- I wonder if they just love him down there?



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    Originally posted by AWG
    Alright.. call me a WWE-brainwasher loser if you will (don't actually ), but I have never seen any other type of wrasslin' other than the glorious WWF/WWE has had to offer these past 2 years. After seeing Mysterio's debut and picking up a few things on the 'Ville (as CRZ would say) I'm curious about the Luchador style.

    What I have so far is that it's Mexican, and they are really obsessed with masks, but I have a feeling there is more to it than that.

    Could any of the enlightened weiners possibly do some enlightening on this subject? My apologies if this has been touched upon before... but it has really been bugging me lately. Thanks!

    --A.W.G.



Luchadores were one of the few reasons (and unfortunately on many shows the only reason) WCW was worth watching after the nWo and Goldberg got stale. Now the Lucha's (or the cruiserwights in general) often got stock enterance themes, no storylines or angles, but damn they could wrestle!

Arguably, bringing in the cruiserwieghts and putting them on monday night was one of the few things Bischoff did right. It was also the first place many Americans got exposed to the lucha libre style.

The 'Luchadore style' is 'Lucha Libre' or free fighting.

Apparently, the reason why Konnan got such a big push was because he was the contact through which Bischoff got these cheap guys from south of the border with masks. Some of the more over Luchadores were La Parka, Psychosis (was it La Parka or Psychosis who was the chairman?), Juventud Guerrara, and of course Rey Mysterio. The Cruiserwieght division was filled out with Kidman, Eddie Guerrero, Chavo, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Dean Malenko, Disco Inferno...

Just a few useless, miscellaneous bits about them.
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