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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by geemoney
    I'm sure they explained it but I'm blanking on it right now....how did they explain these guys from the flight getting rescued when footage of everyone dead in the plane was already shown on TV?


I'm guessing they didn't actually salvage the plane, just shot the footage of it underwater and since they didn't find any survivors they assumed they were all dead. I mean if they had pulled up the bodies they could have been examined and that would have killed the coverup.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.42
    Originally posted by wmatistic
      Originally posted by geemoney
      I'm sure they explained it but I'm blanking on it right now....how did they explain these guys from the flight getting rescued when footage of everyone dead in the plane was already shown on TV?


    I'm guessing they didn't actually salvage the plane, just shot the footage of it underwater and since they didn't find any survivors they assumed they were all dead. I mean if they had pulled up the bodies they could have been examined and that would have killed the coverup.


I don't remember the exact details, but in one episode they showed someone (I think it was Mr Friendly showing Michael) pictures of the graves Widmore dug up to plant on the plane, and the purchase order for the plane they planted, and one of the news clips this season mentioned that the plane was too deep to salvage.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
I don't think Christian and Claire are exactly Jacob incarnate, or ghosts. I think they're basically the same phenomenon as Richard Alpert. What that phenomenon is, I'm not quite sure, but I'm calling right now what's up with Christian, Claire, and Alpert are one and the same.

If Michael was remembering right, Rose had quite a tearjearker reunion with Bernard, and Eko had a great emotional storyline with Yemi (I've read interviews where the cast said they wanted Eko to be a major character, but the actor wanted out). Maybe the audience wasn't chomping at the bit to see you reunite with Walt because your acting ("Give me back my SON!") made us want to laugh instead of cry.

I don't actually think Harold Perrineau is a bad actor, even on Lost, but his "desperate father" act was painful to watch at times.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.28
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    I don't actually think Harold Perrineau is a bad actor, even on Lost, but his "desperate father" act was painful to watch at times.


Not to hijack the thread, but have you seen Smoke? Since it's set in Brooklyn, it might appeal to your NY sensibilities. Perrineau is quite good in that film - but so is everyone else, even Ashley Judd, so...




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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
Didn't the dude that played Charlie throw a hissy fit of sorts when he was killed off too?

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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    Wow, the guy who played Michael is kind of a bitch...


You act like you're surprised an actor would be upset that his character would get killed off one of the most successful shows on television. Also, it is at least something to take notice of - if not something to get outright upset over - that at one point 100% of the black male characters on the show were killed off or written out. Now two have been killed off (Eko, Michael), one will probably have a limited, if any, role (Walt), and one was never really alive/important to begin with (Yemi).

He makes not altogether invalid points, but like I said, there's no reason for you to be so shocked he's unhappy.

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.27
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Wow, the guy who played Michael is kind of a bitch...


    You act like you're surprised an actor would be upset that his character would get killed off one of the most successful shows on television. Also, it is at least something to take notice of - if not something to get outright upset over - that at one point 100% of the black male characters on the show were killed off or written out. Now two have been killed off (Eko, Michael), one will probably have a limited, if any, role (Walt), and one was never really alive/important to begin with (Yemi).

    He makes not altogether invalid points, but like I said, there's no reason for you to be so shocked he's unhappy.

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In a show that kills characters off like flies, no he shouldn't. Especially not since his character turned "traitor", any one who's watched more than 2 action movies in their life knows how that arc ends. He said he didn't find out til they shot the finale that he died, it seriously never occurred to him that all the "I want to die but the island won't let me" stuff could lead to Michael dying?

I'm not shocked he's bitching about being killed off, the "wow" is for the unexpected pulling of the race card. We're talking one of the most ethnically diverse casts on tv here, not Friends. The "at one point 100% of the black men were dead or written off the show" argument doesn't even hold water, because a. Eko was killed because Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje wanted off the show, and b. they always meant for Michael to come back in season 3 but he was filming a different show. Thats not racial insensitivity, thats an unfortunate coincidence.

That interview read like a truck load of bitter, and so I say bitch.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.88
Sure, anybody should have seen that after Michael got his redemption he would die. But when exactly did he get his redemption? He was supposed to save his friends on the island but the Freighties got to the island anyway and killed a bunch of people including Rosseau, Alex and maybe Claire. Then he tries to stop the boat from blowing up but it blows up anyway, kills a bunch of people including maybe Jin. If that was his redemption before he died then that was pretty poorly written.

I don't think the race card should be in play but I don't blame Perrineau for being frustrated. Why DID they bring him back? It was very brief and everything involving him was botched. Nothing interesting with Walt, no redemption, no punishment for what he did. The only reason they brought him back was for a shocking appearance but even that was for naught since everybody knew it was going to be him.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.19
I can see Perrineau's point from a storyline standpoint. I can't help but think that Michael's role would've been a lot more fleshed out had the writer's strike not happened. I mean, of the 13 episodes, he was only in five of them and really only had a major role in his own flashback episode. Michael didn't even get to interact with any of the major cast except Sayid, Desmond, Sun and Jin. What about confronting his pals Sawyer and Hurley over what he did? Or just trying to fit back in with the 815ers in general, with everyone on the beach treating him like a pariah?



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.27
I definitely agree that the writers strike is probably part of what made Michael's return feel like a rush job. And if he had cited any of the things Quezzy or Big Bad did in his interview, it probably would have come off a lot less sour grapes and a bit more along the lines of constructive criticism.

ps- Quezzy, I think his "redemption" came from the fact that he and his freeze the battery idea kept the bomb from going off long enough for Jack and the other "important" castaways to get back in the air. As for Jin, well that is a hole in the theory for now, but the island does appear to be playing favorites, with Jack at the top of the list.

(edited by CxMorgado on 31.5.08 1605)


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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.45
If you're Michael, and you're thinking, "I can't be killed," why not take your chances alone with the bomb? Its not like he knew Christian would 'release him' at that moment. I agree his character got short shrift this season, but that's a good call to lay that blame at the foot of the strike, especially since Meet Kevin Johnson was the last post-strike episode.

I think the real question at play is what the hell does the island want? I'm pretty sure that Christian is neither Jacob nor Smokey, but something else entirely. I like the theory that Alpert is the same thing. Ben and Widmore are locked in some epic struggle, seemingly over the island, but the island has its own rules and seemingly its own will. I wonder if the Island hasn't trapped Jacob and the island is what will wreak the havoc that Bentham winds up describing to everyone.

I wonder if Locke didn't willingly kill himself, just like Christian did, in an attempt to transcend into becoming one of these *beings*. I can only imagine we're going to find out at some point about Christian's original visit to the island, which will explain his significance. His decision to appear to Michael makes no sense otherwise.

I loved how the episode started with the O6 on the plane to the mainland, (well, Hawaii), and ended with them making contact for the first time. We've finally caught up with the flashforwards, so I have no idea when the 'present' is. I can only imagine next season we'll be flashing between the island and the attempt to get back to the island. Season 6, when everyone is reunited (at least, I assume its going to take a whole season to get back), is going to be awesome.

As for Harold Perrineau's complaints, I agree that a reunion with Walt should have been in order, but the arc of him essentially sacrificing himself to get Walt to safety (albeit, not in that order) makes sense as well. I'm sure he was all excited back when the show began about playing a character with an interesting relationship to his 'special' son, and I'm sure it would have been nice to play that arc out fully if Malcolm David Kelley didn't need to age. I wonder how much of this time travel and flash-forward stuff resulted from the writers thinking of how to deal with the Walt problem throughout season 2, after coming up with the abduction plot as a stalling tactic once they realized the show had legs past season 1. I would LOVE to talk to the writers off the record to see how much of the plot was improvised in light of real world events (*cough*DUIs*cough*), as after the Ana Lucia death their efforts at stonewalling what was quite obvious were impressive, if not terribly effective.

Overall, this was probably the weakest season finale thus far (but that's not saying much), but its going to be a LOOONG eight months, as always.

I'll miss Jin. I do like evil bitchy Sun, though.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
You know, I've seen Harold Perrineau in a bunch of stuff, and I have to say, if there's anyone who should be used to getting killed off, it's him.

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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
A really neat theory a friend of mine has is that the island wasn't moved in space, it was moved in time. Their was all that Dharma initiative and Ben stuff talking about time travel right before he moved it. And that also might explain why "whoever moves the island can't come back" - because of time paradox-y kind of stuff they could flesh out. And it explains why Ben asks what year it is in the desert. Heck, it could even explain Richard Alpert - it's not that he doesn't age, it's that he's time traveling to each point. There's also the whole "maybe one of the kids = one of the adults traveling back in time" thing they could do. Sun's kid could be Miles, Aaron could be Richard Alpert, a whole host of stuff.

Overall, time travel stories kind of tend to always end up confusing and sucky I think. But if Lost stays a character/mystery driven show instead of focusing on the sci-fi stuff, I still think it could work.

EDIT: Also Matthew Abbaddon could be Walt. Remember when Abbaddon tells Locke "when you see me next - you'll owe me one"? Does anyone remember way back in the series beginning if there was any "owe you one" talk between Walt and Locke?

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
I like the theory that the island itself didn't really move, just the path to get to it was altered. Basically bending space/time between the island and the world so it seemed to be gone but just the path to take to it changes.

Thus, when Ben left it wasn't that he can never go back physically, more that he wouldn't be easily able to FIND the way back because it changed. That would explain why Widmore had such trouble finding it after knowing where it was previously. I think again that Ben is going to try and use Jack and the 06 because he knows the island didn't want them to leave so he can hang with them to get back.
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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.49
I really expected Richard to be in the casket since a man that never ages would have been shocking to see dead although maybe not as shocking as Locke. I am curious to see how Locke let things get away from him. It's been his common theme, and I really liked the story of him on the pot plantation but they never really seemed to pick that up again.

I'm a little worried about the Sawyer character since he kind of seems to be the 'other main guy' that always gets left behind. He really lost a lot of steam this season.

Desmond is a wild card that we always tend to overlook. Ben owes Penny a visit, so he owes Desmond a visit and when you deal with Desmond things always end up a little dicey.

I still think Ben is the ultimate evil here, he always has been since he was the balloon travler, and we still no very little about Widmore.

The whole time travel and mix of characters is scary to think about. I hope that isn't it.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
Well, we knew from the end of last season that whoever was in the casket had to be someone that Kate would hate enough to refuse to go to his funeral. And we knew from the end of this season that it had to be someone using an alias and it had to be someone that ALL of the O6 (plus Walt) knew.

For me that narrowed it down to only two possible candidates: Locke and Ben. The whole alias thing made me lean towards Ben due to his wide assortment of fake passports. However, in the final scene where Jack broke into the funeral parlor, the second I heard Ben's voice I knew it had to be Locke.

It's actually kind of disappointing being able to guess that, especially considering last season's finale containing a flash forward TOTALLY blew my mind. Then again, I Wikipedia'd Jeremy Bentham during the episode and finding out he was a philosopher didn't tip me off at all, so maybe I'm not all that smart.

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.04
For what it's worth, Harold Perrineau did another interview, this time with Entertainment Weekly, and he comes across much more likable and reasonable.

http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/06/lost-harold-per.html
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