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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.25
    Originally posted by cringe
    If the island is the cork to keep the MIB captured... then the island being sunk in the intro to this season may be a bad thing. (But that all depends on what the explanation we are given for the sideways universe is.)



I believe that the Slideways World is what life without Jacob would have been like for our candidates & castaways



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by GameCrazy
    My girfriend also pointed out that in the bible, Jacob is the one to baptise Jesus. Is this a hint that Richard is the chosen one? Or did Jacob just think he was?


As others pointed out, that was John The Baptist. Jacob is the son of Issac, the only true son of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews. Jacob was a twin son and his Brother was Esau. Jacob means "heel Grabber" and Esau means Hairy. Jacob was a crafty guy who married two women, had babies with them and their maids and had 12 kids. The twelve tribes of Israel. Jacob was later renamed Israel by God after Jacob went to a 2 out of three falls no decision with Him. (you can look that up - it's in Genesis 32)

There's your sunday school class for today.

Dug the episode. As noted, I am along for the ride and I have sort of lost the plot of the whole big thing. I don't think that Jacob or MIB is really god or the the devil. Not sure though. Smokey was a bit scarey when he came up to Richard, huh?

so, I wondered myself, why bring a guy on a small ship across the ocean (that seemed smallish for the 1860s to me, by the way.. looked like more of a 1760s than 1860s ship) and chain him up in the hold with a bunch of other guys. Selling them into slavery is the only thing I can come up with offhand. So, if he was selling them into slavery and they needed to speak english - where? I didn't catch where Richard was at - South America? So, to Australia? Picairn's Island?

Jacob did "baptize" Richard three times, a formula used by certain Christian sects, but especially by a sect from the time of Jesus called the Essenes. John the Baptist was thought to be one of them.

Ah, I brought it back around.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00

    didn't catch where Richard was at - South America? So, to Australia? Picairn's Island?


Richard was originally in the Canary Islands.

I think knowing English was so the slaves could be ordered around easier by the English speaking officers.

South America -> Australia makes since from where the island originally was, but maybe it had moved to some place in the Atlantic.

(edited by thecubsfan on 24.3.10 1210)


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#24 Posted on
    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
      Originally posted by cringe
      If the island is the cork to keep the MIB captured... then the island being sunk in the intro to this season may be a bad thing. (But that all depends on what the explanation we are given for the sideways universe is.)



    I believe that the Slideways World is what life without Jacob would have been like for our candidates & castaways


That is what I am leaning towards too. I'm expecting the Losties to tell Jacob and the MiB to screw off for interfering in their lives and that is the result. Either that or it is a gift from one of the 2.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.42
You know who's great? Lapidus. "How the hell did I get involved in this? I have no stake in anything. I'm not a candidate, I have no supernatural powers, I never met Jacob. Am I even on the wheel in the lighthouse? What wheel in what lighthouse? Cave wall? What's going on? Aw hell, if suddenly there's a plane or a helicopter or something that appears, I'll fly it. Until then, I'm just laying low, try not to get sunburned. Or, you know, dead."



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
I like Lapidus too, but am not overly looking forward to his inevitable centric episode. At this point in the series, I'd like LOST to be looking big-picture only --- a Frank episode would be fun, but really, I doubt much will be learned from it.

We have eight episodes left, and these characters will haven't gotten a 'feature' episode yet: the Kwons (they're next week), Hurley, Frank, Ilana, Claire, Desmond, Miles. Claire is a must since we need to find out what happened to her in the three years on the Island, Hurley is inevitable since he's an original cast member, and Desmond needs an ep since he's been in the credits all season yet has been on-screen for about 40 seconds. Maybe they'll skip Miles since we've already kind of seen his 'sideway' story through Sawyer. I think we absolutely need to get a Smoke Monster-centric episode.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.48
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I like Lapidus too, but am not overly looking forward to his inevitable centric episode. At this point in the series, I'd like LOST to be looking big-picture only --- a Frank episode would be fun, but really, I doubt much will be learned from it.

    We have eight episodes left, and these characters will haven't gotten a 'feature' episode yet: the Kwons (they're next week), Hurley, Frank, Ilana, Claire, Desmond, Miles. Claire is a must since we need to find out what happened to her in the three years on the Island, Hurley is inevitable since he's an original cast member, and Desmond needs an ep since he's been in the credits all season yet has been on-screen for about 40 seconds. Maybe they'll skip Miles since we've already kind of seen his 'sideway' story through Sawyer. I think we absolutely need to get a Smoke Monster-centric episode.


Desmond episode is apparently in 2 weeks.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
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    Originally posted by AWArulz
    Jacob is the son of Issac, the only true son of Abraham, the Father of the Hebrews. Jacob was a twin son and his Brother was Esau. Jacob means "heel Grabber" and Esau means Hairy. Jacob was a crafty guy who married two women, had babies with them and their maids and had 12 kids. The twelve tribes of Israel. Jacob was later renamed Israel by God after Jacob went to a 2 out of three falls no decision with Him. (you can look that up - it's in Genesis 32)

    There's your sunday school class for today.
Not to get involved in a centuries old argument, but Ishmael (whether legitimate or not) is Abraham's son too.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.78
    Originally posted by J. Kyle
    Not to get involved in a centuries old argument, but Ishmael (whether legitimate or not) is Abraham's son too.


Agreed, but not his "true son" or the son of the promise, according to the Bible.But, regardless, the story's about Jacob, not Issac (the son of Abram's wife) or Ishmael, the son of Sarai's Maid, Hagar. In fact, Abraham had even more children with his second wife Keturah as well. A herd of them.

I wonder if it is possible that this story could play into the Lost mythos? I need to look for Abraham references - or Issac. Has there been an Issac or Abraham (or Abe?, or Ike?) character? I need to check Lostipedia, I think.

We have Aaron, of course, but he's after Jacob and Esau and their Dad's and Granddad's, although he is descended from Jacob (Jacob's son Levi was the ancestor of Aaron the priest).

Jack's ex is Sarah, which probably means nothing

Sun means goodness, I think Jin means Jewel. Neith of those is close to any of the names surrounding Jacob from the Bible.

ah, this probably means little to what they are doing

(edited by AWArulz on 25.3.10 0937)


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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.40
    Originally posted by odessasteps


    Desmond episode is apparently in 2 weeks.


There's a guy I miss seeing. I'm always a fan of his story.



(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 25.3.10 1605)
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
Re: religion. I think the LOST producers have been very careful to not tie the show's mythology into one specific religion. We've seen a lot of ancient Egyptian references, Buddhism, Judaism, and in this past episode, it was implied that the Monster's description of Jacob as the devil was just so he could relate to Ricardo's personal beliefs. I highly doubt that the show will ever make explicit something like, 'oh, the Island is the Garden of Eden and the Monster is the serpent' or a one-to-one matching of that manner.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.48
So, the enhanced version offered a little enhancement. I didn't expect too much, since everyone talked in metaphors in this episode, and we don't know yet what those metaphors mean.

I don't know if the pop-ups are canon, but it was interesting that we got confirmation that the first appearance of Isabella (on the ship in 1867) was Smokey, but there was no clarifying pop-up during her second appearance (with Hurley in 2007). This pretty much confirms what was conjectured earlier in the thread that the two Isabellas are different. Also, we've seen Smokey "split up" into multiple entities before, so the Black Rock appearances (simultaneously as Isabella and the smoke) doesn't contradict anything.

A good chunk of material was edited out from the original airing. I guess the extra 6 minutes weren't just extra commercials.

It was kinda funny to see that Ricardo's day job was a laborer in the sugar cane fields because, you know, Nestor was on this show called "Cane"...ha ha, inside joke.

I'm still bugged about the Others' fascination with Latin. Why did it come about, and why Latin?

For some reason, it bugged me that the medicine Ricardo took from the doctor was fake.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.78
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    For some reason, it bugged me that the medicine Ricardo took from the doctor was fake.


I tuned in about 10 mins late when I saw their FB post that it was an "enhanced" rerun. Did the "enhancements" state that the medicine was fake? I thought it was just that he got it to her too late for it to work.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.74
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I don't know if the pop-ups are canon,

It's been mentioned multiple times on this board, by other posters who pay attention to the various things the show runners tell us about LOST (i.e., people other than me, because I'm usually deathly afraid of LOST spoilers), that the pop-ups are NOT canon. I even seem to recall the implication that Cuse and/or Lindelof have had beef with ABC in the past over some of the misinformation that gets propagated by these "enhanced" episodes.

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.67
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    I don't know if the pop-ups are canon, but it was interesting that we got confirmation that the first appearance of Isabella (on the ship in 1867) was Smokey, but there was no clarifying pop-up during her second appearance (with Hurley in 2007). This pretty much confirms what was conjectured earlier in the thread that the two Isabellas are different. Also, we've seen Smokey "split up" into multiple entities before, so the Black Rock appearances (simultaneously as Isabella and the smoke) doesn't contradict anything.


Ilana stated that Smokey is now limited to just his Locke form or his monster form, so any other 'spirits' we see on the Island from here on in are probably the actual spirits themselves (Isabella, Jacob, Michael, etc.) I'm not sure why Smokey is stuck as Locke --- maybe one of the 'rules' is that if you manifest as a solid body able to eat, that's the form you're stuck with.
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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.49
    Originally posted by DrewDewce
      Originally posted by Mr Shh
      For some reason, it bugged me that the medicine Ricardo took from the doctor was fake.


    I tuned in about 10 mins late when I saw their FB post that it was an "enhanced" rerun. Did the "enhancements" state that the medicine was fake? I thought it was just that he got it to her too late for it to work.
Yeah, the pop-ups were quite clear on that. They indicated that Isabella had tuberculosis (en.wikipedia.org), which is consistent with her coughing up blood & generally "wasting". Within the show, we're told that we're in Tenerefe, Canary Islands, in 1867. The doctor said, "I have medicine that can save her life, but it's very expensive." The problem with that is that there was nothing resembling a cure (or even a palliative) for TB before the 1940s. So, clearly the doctor was lying. And naive Richard believed the con.

Just like he believed the priest's con denying him absolution, & that Richard was doomed to hell because he didn't have time to do penance before his execution. Which all made him much more amenible to being sold into servitude, rather than just "execute me now."

At least Richard's wised up a *little*, but I'm not sure exactly how much when it comes to matters of the heart.
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