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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73
    Originally posted by J. Kyle
    Me: I don't care. I want resolution for the characters we've known for years, not two dudes we met at the beginning of last season.

That's the trouble I've had with this show since the second season. It introduces new characters and insists "NO! THESE ARE THE PEOPLE YOU MUST CARE ABOUT NOW!"

Season 2: Tailies
Season 3: Ben and the Others
Season 4: Freighties
Season 6: Jacob and MIB (Yes, they've technically been around the whole time, but they weren't fully-developed characters until this season.)

Season 5 brought the focus back to the original cast, and I think that's why I enjoyed it so much. That's not to say some of the new characters weren't interesting (Ekko, Ben, Faraday, Miles), but they really started to get in the way of the story of the original crash survivors.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
Sing this special song. It's just for you.
    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by Big Bad
      Also interesting --- MIB killed his 'mother' without letting her speak to him, unlike when Sayid and Richard both let MIB and Jacob, respectively, talk before going for a stabbing.

    I think this is a huge point from the episode that I haven't seen anyone else here mention. I think we can also presume that the knife MiB used to kill his fake mom was the same knife he later gave Richard to kill Jacob with as well as the same knife Dogen gave to Sayid to kill fake Locke.
Hey... Jacob spoke a WHOLE LOT before getting shanked by Ben with the magic knife. So how's he dead again?



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.60
    Originally posted by J. Kyle
      Originally posted by StingArmy
        Originally posted by Big Bad
        Also interesting --- MIB killed his 'mother' without letting her speak to him, unlike when Sayid and Richard both let MIB and Jacob, respectively, talk before going for a stabbing.

      I think this is a huge point from the episode that I haven't seen anyone else here mention. I think we can also presume that the knife MiB used to kill his fake mom was the same knife he later gave Richard to kill Jacob with as well as the same knife Dogen gave to Sayid to kill fake Locke.
    Hey... Jacob spoke a WHOLE LOT before getting shanked by Ben with the magic knife. So how's he dead again?


Plus it wasn't even the supposedly magic knife, it was one of Locke's.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.89
    Originally posted by J. Kyle
      Originally posted by StingArmy
        Originally posted by Big Bad
        Also interesting --- MIB killed his 'mother' without letting her speak to him, unlike when Sayid and Richard both let MIB and Jacob, respectively, talk before going for a stabbing.

      I think this is a huge point from the episode that I haven't seen anyone else here mention. I think we can also presume that the knife MiB used to kill his fake mom was the same knife he later gave Richard to kill Jacob with as well as the same knife Dogen gave to Sayid to kill fake Locke.
    Hey... Jacob spoke a WHOLE LOT before getting shanked by Ben with the magic knife. So how's he dead again?
They way I interpret that scene knowing what we know now that is that MIB had talked to Ben first, so Ben was already under the "spell" or whatever it is.

Thinking of this as a game, Ben was the piece that was being controlled by MIB and it wasn't Jacob's turn until he played it.

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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.18
I like how Jacob ends up being kind of stupid, instead of this grand mastermind.

I liked the episode. I wanted to know "what's it all about?" Now I know, more or less, what it's all about.

The first scene (every question you ask brings another question) is definitely the writers' way of telling us "we're not going into why there's a light and how the special wine works, and who was there before CJ. This is the beginning." There's some more mythology - why can't MIB leave? Why can Jacob leave? How does he know about other candidates?

Little blond boy is definitely Jacob. Only "candidates" can see the dead I think.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
My brother mentioned something about the big "reveal" of this episode, and I find it kind of interesting ... The viewers have always been led to believe that Jacob and the MiB were these all-powerful entities who were in control of the mysteries of the island, the Alpha and the Omega of the entire mythos surrounding this place. Once we discovered their origin stories, then (we hoped and expected that) a lot of the big secrets of the island would be revealed along with them.

Instead, we find out that they were just a couple of unlucky jerks who were mysteriously drawn to the island just like everyone else! They have no control over the island, and they never did; they're no better than the survivors of Flight 815, they're just along for the ride too (they've both just been at it a lot longer) ...



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.92
    Originally posted by MoeGates
    Little blond boy is definitely Jacob. Only "candidates" can see the dead I think.
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    2. I'm pretty sure the child actor playing Boy Jacob is the same creepy little blonde kid we saw running around in the jungle a few episodes ago, the one that Richard couldn't see but fake Locke and Sawyer could see. And I think the fact that only Sawyer could see him is potentially a huge deal.
Actually, Desmond could see him. En route to being thrown down the well, Boy Jacob made an appearance and Desmond asked MIB if he knew who the boy was.

While I was initially disappointed by this episode for many of the reasons noted in other posts, I guess I'm just trusting that it was what it was, and shown when it was for a really good reason.

It definitely would have been cool to see JK Simmons appear sa Jacob and MIB's dad!
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by jfkfc
    It definitely would have been cool to see JK Simmons appear sa Jacob and MIB's dad!
I didn't even get that you were talking about Juno at first, I just went, "It *would* be cool for him to be their dad".

Hell, it would be cool if JK Simmons was *my* dad.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.46
    Originally posted by hansen9j
      Originally posted by jfkfc
      It definitely would have been cool to see JK Simmons appear sa Jacob and MIB's dad!
    I didn't even get that you were talking about Juno at first, I just went, "It *would* be cool for him to be their dad".

    Hell, it would be cool if JK Simmons was *my* dad.

I think it would have been ever cooler if Allison Janney clubbed Juno with a rock as soon as she gave birth. Talk about a good ending!

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
Here's a Bill Simmons Podcast with creator and writer Carlton Cuse Click Here (espn.go.com) They start off with the reaction and reasoning for this episode, plus there is a bunch more.

Edit: I found the part where they had a lot bigger plans for Mr Eko to be a real bummer, because I loved that guy. Surprised he wanted off the show.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
That's probably one of my favorite Lost podcasts ever. I enjoy hearing Carlton talk more about what its like to write the show than answer "the questions" since those should be answered within the confines of the show. I'm amazed it took Simmons this long to get anyone from Lost on.

As for the episode itself, I'm going to wait to watch it again after the series is over to determine just how out of place it felt and how satisfactory the answers wind up feeling.

For more Darlton commentary, Alan Sepinwall interviews the pair (hitfix.com). Most disappointing factoid appears to be that we won't see


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the other side of the Outrigger shoot-out from season 5.
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I can respect Darlton's logic for not resolving that, but I guess I'm disappointed that the characters didn't follow the path they had planned. I'd still like to know who else was supposed to be involved in that.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.49
As to the "hitting us over the head" with the Adam & Eve skeletons, I don't mind for 2 different reasons. First, there are people watching now who haven't pored over every detail of the whole series like some of us have. They deserve some hints. Second, was there maybe more to the editing & insertion of those clips? In both situations, there were 2 men & one woman. The 2 men have pretty much always been opposites. The woman is currently strongly bonded to one of those men, but has had strong, yet different, feelings toward both. I think there may be more to it.
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