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I thought it was called 'The Last Recruit'

No need for a Darth Vadar style NOOO, this was a solid episode. Losing Sayid stinks, but Jin and Sun really didn't add much value to any storyline. The saddest part is losing so many familar faces.

I take it the pilot probably isn't dead or they wouldn't have kept him around so long.

Was Bernard such a prick on the island too? I want to say he was early on, but now I can't remember.

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
The numbering is off. This is Lost 6x14 - "The Candidate". Can any mod fix that? {Edit: Thank you.]

I can't believe it. I can't believe they did that.

They killed Frank Lapidus!

Oh, and Jin and Sun! What the fuck?! I was kind of in shellshock when that sub went down with the Kwons still on it. I'm glad they gave Jack, Kate and Hurley a moment to react to the loss of Jin and Sun, at least. It's gonna be a while until I'm okay with Jin and Sun's deaths. Ji Yeon is an orphan now. Sun's father is still alive, right? Her parents left her alone in a world where the Korean Devil can still find her and raise her.

The writing was on the wall - or more like the bulkhead was in Frank's face - when the plan shifted and they boarded the sub instead of the Ajira plane. Suddenly, they didn't need a pilot anymore.

Oh shit, I forgot, they killed Sayid too! But Sayid's really been sort of dead for most of the season. Sayid was the weirdest case the whole episode - half Zombie Sayid but still kind of like the old Sayid, especially in the noble sacrifice at the end. "It's going to be you, Jack." Seems to be too blatant a declaration that Jack is the new Jacob. There has to be misdirection there. Also, Sayid told Jack that Desmond still in the well, which means he found enough of his humanity not to execute Desmond but he still left him down there.

The foreshadowing was pretty obvious when Smoke Locke switched the backpacks, and Jack figured out Smoke Locke's plan and spelled it out for everyone a little too late.

So we're clear now, no more ambiguity: Smoke Locke is the bad guy. He was never to be trusted. He's the enemy. Sawyer's instincts served him well in regards to Smoke Locke - just not when a bomb was in front of him that Jack pleaded with him not to diffuse. That pesky free will screwed everything up again.

When the bomb was revealed on the sub, the following theory hit me, that pretty much turned out to be false but hear me out anyway: I thought they were all going to die. Furthermore, I thought once they all died, the endgame of Lost would be somehow for the sideways version of the characters to replace them in the Island reality.

Meanwhile on Not Lost, Jack's bedside manner is worlds better than it was on Lost. We got the explanation of how Locke lost the use of his legs; a plane crash he caused that turned Anthony Cooper into a drooling vegetable not unlike what Captain Pike looked like in the original Star Trek, only minus the space wheelchair that blinks one for yes and two for no. Jack even got a hug and a kiss from Peggy Bundy. And Claire continued to accept any invitation she is offered, this time to stay with Jack, the only family she has in LA, it turns out.

I like that everyone on Oceanic 815 is keenly aware of how bizarre it is so many people from that plane keep bumping into each other in LA. I also liked Bernard accusing Jack of flirting with Rose, on an episode when Jin and Sun basically became Jack and Rose Kwon. (But their hearts will go on and on...)

Here's a question: The bombs on the Ajira plane - did Widmore plant those? I don't think he did. I think Smoke Locke thinks it was Widmore and lied/bullshitted the story to everyone that Widmore wanted them all dead. Smoke Locke didn't know about Richard, Miles, and Ben. I'd have to guess Richard, Miles and Ben planted the bombs on the plane, since that was their objective when we last saw them and we haven't seen them since. So where the hell are those three?

Oh, and one episode removed from my pointing out Kate has never been shot or wounded on Lost - BLAM! Kate gets shot! That was my personal biggest Holy Shit! moment.

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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.85
Yeah, I thought of the last thread where John talked about Kate never being hurt. I also thought of Mr. Shhh's post about Widmore capturing them for their own good, which seems to have been 100% correct.

The death of Jin and Sun really is a punch in the gut. So now, does that make Ji Yeon the Qwon that is written in the cave :-)

Fabulous episode and I can't believe that we are almost at the end of the entire shebang.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.99
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Here's a question: The bombs on the Ajira plane - did Widmore plant those? I don't think he did. I think Smoke Locke thinks it was Widmore and lied/bullshitted the story to everyone that Widmore wanted them all dead. Smoke Locke didn't know about Richard, Miles, and Ben. I'd have to guess Richard, Miles and Ben planted the bombs on the plane, since that was their objective when we last saw them and we haven't seen them since. So where the hell are those three?


Good point. Widmore and Not Tina Fey are still out there too. But the show is narrowing its focus to the original characters, and the missing three bombers seem a little more expendable as we near the end. I don't mind if Ben dies weak so long as he gets a good last line.

I have my doubts that anyone dead will stay dead, but that death scene was still hard to watch. Wish Sayid had a better ending though. Then again, being dead doesn't mean we won't see him or the Kwons again.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.70
Wow, three original characters (plus Frank) gone in one episode. Also, Widmore's chunky henchman got an ultra-version of the 'cheese grater' spot in Wargames cage matches.

Ironically, this time Jack was right about Smokey not being able to kill them directly, but of course, Sawyer didn't buy it this time given Jack's previous error with the atomic bomb (that led to Juliet's death). I did think that the 'Smokey cannot kill candidates' rule seemed to be stretched pretty thin given that he put the bomb into Jack's backpack, but I guess had Sawyer not pulled the wires, it would've blinked out like the dynamite in the Black Rock.

So the candidate search is down to Jack, Sawyer and Hurley. I'm guessing Locke will try to talk Claire into shooting them on his behalf, but I can't see her killing her half-brother. Then again, I guess they all did try to sub away with her.

So in the sideways world, now Jack is realizing all of these coincidences with Oceanic 815, to go along with Desmond's direct knowledge. I wonder what'll happen when/if Jack finds Sun and Jin in his hospital too.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.48
    Originally posted by Torchslasher
    I also thought of Mr. Shhh's post about Widmore capturing them for their own good, which seems to have been 100% correct.

Which means if I'm correct, then John Orquiola is right on the money when he said that Richard and co. planted the bomb.

Seriously, do people really think that shooting guns at a cloud of smoke is going to disable it??

Poor Lapidus gets another super cornball line. Jeff Fahey seemed to realize it and delivered it with this stupid, cheesy grin. It was kinda funny.

The bomb timer was at about 4 minutes when Jack pulled the bomb out of the pack, which is the same point on the Hatch timer at which the alarm starts sounding.

MIB, as Smokey, cannot cross water. MIB, as John Locke, seemingly is not affected by being thrown in the water. Oh, speaking of which...

When Locke pulled himself out of the water in this episode, it immediately reminded me of the Season 3 episode where Locke allegedly blew up the Galaga sub. We see Locke on the sub, presumably planting explosives, then the next time we see him is on the dock, *soaking wet*. I remember there being a big brouhaha about this at the time, because Locke didn't need to be in the water to do what he wanted to do. The question was left lingering as to why he was wet. Now, we have a parallel scene involving Locke blowing up a sub, and he's soaking wet.

There is actually word on the street that the Lost finale is now *two and a half* hours. This bit of news is supposed to be on the Hollywood Reporter site, but as of now, I can't find it.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.68
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    There is actually word on the street that the Lost finale is now *two and a half* hours. This bit of news is supposed to be on the Hollywood Reporter site, but as of now, I can't find it.
It WAS rather cleverly hidden on the front page. (Yes, I Am A Dick.)

http://livefeed.hollywoodreporter.com/​2010/​05/​abc-​expands-​lost-​finale-​by-​extra-​halfhour.html

    May 04, 2010
    ABC expands 'Lost' finale by extra half-hour!

    Exclu: There's more "Lost" left than you think.

    The producers of ABC's hit drama have shot so much crucial material for the show's hugely anticipated series finale that the network has agreed to extend the last episode by an extra half hour.

    When the "Lost" finale airs on Sunday, May 23rd, the episode will run from 9 to 11:30 p.m. The overrun will push back local news, with the previously announced "Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to Lost" post-finale special now airing at 12:05 a.m. ABC is expected to announce the plan on tonight's episode of Kimmel.

    Executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof just completed post-production on the finale -- titled "The End" -- on Monday night. Both sent out identical Tweets: "We're done. Amen."

    Lindelof recently told THR that the crew build all-new sets for the finale and promised the ending would prompt more questions.

    The supersizing of the finale is the latest adjustment to what might as well be called "The 'Lost' Weekend." ABC is airing an "enhanced" (pop-ups) version of the show's original two-hour pilot on May 22. On Sunday there's a two-hour retrospective titled "Lost: The Final Journey," followed by the finale, then the local news (which was preempted in the first-blush recounting of this plan) and Kimmel post-show.




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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22

One reason I think that Widmore did plant the bomb is that it was the same kind of C4 that was on the freighter.

Speaking of the plane, where are Richard, Ben and Miles?

I bet baby Kwan ends up with Hurley. He was the only one that went to see Sun at Jin's memorial.

Did MIB going in the water really mean anything? Is that why he didn't turn into the smoke monster and kill WIdmore's men? Does it tie into when Ben drained the water to call him back at the barracks?

Anyone else expect Jin to come running out of the hospital room, with something happening to Sun in her room?

I don't know if this counts as a spoiler, but next week's episode will likely not do anything to advance the current plot.





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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.59
Please tell me I'm not the only one who noticed that Sayid's accent was all but gone and Naveen Andrews's real accent was practically on full display. I know someone mentioned it before but I thought it was super blatant in this episode.

For almost the whole episode I was wondering why Smoke Locke needed the 815ers to fight Widmore. I mean, as long as the sonic fence isn't around, Smoke Locke can kill anybody he wants at will, right? Why bother dragging around all these mere mortals, then? What the heck are Hurley and Sun going to do for you?? I felt like something was off and I kept saying it over and over again during the episode (much to my girlfriend's annoyance), but somehow I never figured out he was setting them up. That does clear up that for me though; I was afraid it was a giant continuity error by the writers.

My girlfriend and I simultaneously realized that it was strange how everyone who flew on Ocean 815 so easily remembered their flight number. I can barely remember my flight number while I'm at the airport, let alone a week later. But I guess that's necessary for the plot to work.

I was VERY sad when what I call the LOST "time to die" theme music started playing while Jin and Sun were struggling to get free. Also, isn't it strange that they never mentioned their daughter? Shouldn't Sun have used that to convince Jin to save himself? Sigh, so sad. The writers haven't REALLY killed off a main character in quite some time, but they reminded us tonight that they're not at all afraid to do it. Of course, with only three episodes remaining I guess it shouldn't be too surprising.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
How does Jack manage to swim to the surface with an unconscious Sawyer and not manage to drown him?

I know, I know suspend disbelief, but they couldn't have just made him semi-conscious?

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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 10.00
It seems like everyone is thinking that Desmond is the big key to saving the day, but I came away from this episode thinking that everything is building to a fake Locke vs. resurrected Island Lock confrontation. Jack calling Locke a candidate in the sideways world just seems a little more than the writers being cute. Then you have the facts from this season:

- The fact that Fake Locke has taken every chance he's gotten this season to call down the real Locke.

- The fact Island Jack keeps revering island Locke as the only guy that every believed in stuff.

- The fact that early on this year fake Locke was the guy who crossed off island Locke's name.

- The fact that it would be a classic Lost twist to let fans spend most of the season debating who the new Jacob would be from a list the show gave them and then have it be a guy everyone thought was dead.

So yeah, I'm hoping that the real John Locke gets his and Terry O'Quinn gets to act against himself Superman 3 style.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.25
    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    How does Jack manage to swim to the surface with an unconscious Sawyer and not manage to drown him?

    I know, I know suspend disbelief, but they couldn't have just made him semi-conscious?



They obviously hitched a ride on the Dharma Shark.

My wife is so angry with the writers right now I was barely able to sleep last night. Now Sayid, Jin & Sun exist only in the slideways world. Could Desmond's hit & run on Locke now have been a way to get Jack & Locke together again in the slideways world ? The writers keep bringing people to together in the same place but never all of them at one time. I certainly don't know the signifigance of it from a slideways perspective but we saw the why of it in the real world. Could the alternate world become the new reality if everyone on the island dies ?

I hate that Jack was right about the bomb but who can blame Sawyer for not listening to him considering jack's track record. Of course if Sawyer had been at the Black Rock with Jack & Richard, he would have believed.

Richard, Ben & Miles better make a dramatic reappearance and contribute something to the end game.

Speaking of reappearances, how is Desmond going to get out of the well and what is his final role going to be ?

and 11:30pm on Sunday night ? I better see if my office is giving us Victoria Day off.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.71
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    The writing was on the wall - or more like the bulkhead was in Frank's face - when the plan shifted and they boarded the sub instead of the Ajira plane. Suddenly, they didn't need a pilot anymore.

Except there's still a perfectly serviceable plane back on Hydra Island. I guess GhostFrank will tell Hurley how to fly it.

I don't have much to say about the deaths, except for Hurley better watch out because the minority characters are dropping like flies. ;)



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.58
Perhaps I'm missing something ... but why did Fake-Locke bother with the plane in the first place? I mean, if we assume that he planted the explosives himself (as a way to "frame" Widmore), then couldn't he have just started things off by heading for the sub and doing the ol' switcheroo with Jack's backpack?

Was the whole thing just a "long con" to get all of the candidates to put their faith in him (by making it appear that Widmore was the bad guy who wanted them all dead, and that MiB was really the one looking out for them); if that's the case, then it would indicate that it was Fake-Locke who planted the explosives in the plane, and not Alpert's little band of merry travellers.



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