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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by dWs
    I'm okay with the whispers and the Smokey Ghost explanations, but has anyone been able to draw conclusions about Walt's abduction?


He was a candidate, but his mental abilities made him too unpredictable/unstable/dangerous?

I too would have appreciated a bit more resolution, but it looks like the writers are sticking with that scenario and aren't planning on revisiting it ...



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ABC Re-Airing 'Lost' Pilot Before Series Finale

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
FYI, here's the relevant info from that link:
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The penultimate episode of the show premieres on May 18, the pilot re-airs on May 22, and on May 23, the finale night kicks off with a two-hour recap of the entire series, followed by the two-hour finale and then a special 'Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to 'Lost'' show that will feature 'Lost' cast members and showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.
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It'd be more interesting if they showed the pilot immediately before the finale. Those recap shows are always terrible and boring to me. I'd like to rewatch the pilot before the finale, but there's no way I'm doing it on a Saturday night, so hopefully it shows up on Hulu or abc.com before the finale airs the next night.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
    Originally posted by samoflange
    FYI, here's the relevant info from that link:
    -------------------------------------------------
    The penultimate episode of the show premieres on May 18, the pilot re-airs on May 22, and on May 23, the finale night kicks off with a two-hour recap of the entire series, followed by the two-hour finale and then a special 'Jimmy Kimmel Live: Aloha to 'Lost'' show that will feature 'Lost' cast members and showrunners Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse.
    -------------------------------------------------

    It'd be more interesting if they showed the pilot immediately before the finale. Those recap shows are always terrible and boring to me. I'd like to rewatch the pilot before the finale, but there's no way I'm doing it on a Saturday night, so hopefully it shows up on Hulu or abc.com before the finale airs the next night.


Aren't all the episodes on ABC.com already? So, you could watch the pilot whenever you wanted.

Last year's recap was fun only beacuse it was narrated by Michael Emerson.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.25
So MIB admits to Jack that he was Christian. It still begs the question, when Hurley sees a dead person, both on & off the island, who is it ? The real dead people ? Jacob ? MIB ?

It seems to me that we are seeing a convergance of the characters in the island world & in the slideways world. They all seem to be generating to the same spot in their respective timelines. Will the screen suddenly go white like the island has skipped in time and everyone will be in one spot again ?

When Jack jumped I immediately began to cheer for the Dharma Shark to make another appearance. No such luck.

Evil Sayid must have still had a shred of decency somewhere inside him because desmond should be dead. Is MIB starting to lose his grip ?

Speaking of MIB, did you notice that he was the only one NOT thrown by the missiles exploding. Widmore has to know that guns, bombs & knives won't work on him so why shoot other than to kill ALL of his followers.

Why did Zoe & Widmore cancel Sawyer's deal ? Because Desmond got grabbed by Sayid ?

and why the repeat this week and is there significance that we missed the first time in the episode that they are repeating ?





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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.69
    Originally posted by odessasteps
    Aren't all the episodes on ABC.com already? So, you could watch the pilot whenever you wanted.


Hey thanks. I've never watched anything other than the new episodes on there so it never occurred to me that the entire line up was available.



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.43
    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
    Evil Sayid must have still had a shred of decency somewhere inside him because desmond should be dead. Is MIB starting to lose his grip ?
I don't think we can say "Evil Sayid". Definitely "Freaky Sayid" or "Dazed & Confused Sayid". I don't recall him actually doing anything evil since he's been resurrected. I think that's still the same Sayid in there, but he is just in a sort of emotional shock, or a "giving up" kind of place.

I'm still undecided whether Locke actually expected Sayid to kill Desmond, or whether he knew that Desmond would "fix" Sayid. Too soon to tell.

    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
    Speaking of MIB, did you notice that he was the only one NOT thrown by the missiles exploding. Widmore has to know that guns, bombs & knives won't work on him so why shoot other than to kill ALL of his followers.

    Why did Zoe & Widmore cancel Sawyer's deal ? Because Desmond got grabbed by Sayid ?
I don't think Widmore ever had any intention of honouring a deal with Sawyer. And if Sawyer actually believed that, he's completely lost his edge. Besides, we still don't actually know what Widmore wants, or what he thinks is going on. My opinion is that he "just" wants the Island to capitalise on it's physical properties. That he knows less about Jacob vs MIB & candidates & all that jazz than Richard did. (Which wasn't much.) And his sole motivation is to eliminate whatever he sees as an obstacle to his getting possession of the physical Island. Kill 'em all, don't kill 'em -- whatever. I don't think the Jacob vs MIB interaction is even on his radar.

Of course, I don't know why he thought that having Desmond along was necessary. Unless he believed he needed an Island-ite to get back. There is that superstition that they needed to recreate the 815 conditions in order to get back to the Island. Widmore himself was banished, so he doesn't count. We don't know the conditions of Eloise's departure. Desmond lived there for 3 years - maybe that's what Widmore was assuming -- you need a "key" to get back in, & Desmond was someone whom the Island had called.

Which reminds me, I loved the way that, when confronted by the demand to get Desmond back, Locke said to Zoe, "I don't have any idea what you're talking about." In exactly the same way that Widmore denied any knowledge when Locke went to retrieve Jin. OK, fine. That's how you want to play, that's how we'll play.

    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
    and why the repeat this week and is there significance that we missed the first time in the episode that they are repeating ?
a) I suspect that a number of people have lost track across the last couple of weeks of where's Miles & what Richard & Ben are up to. b) The various exposition given by Jacob & MIB in that episode is going to be crucial to the endgame. Things have been flying by so fast this season that we may need a second look at it, as well has having it fresh for the subsequent episode. c) IMO, that is the biggest "don't miss" single episode of the season. Given that they needed to repeat something to align the finale to a "lost number" date, that's a good one to choose.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.48
My immediate thought when Widmore took Sawyer and co. captive is that he is protecting them from MIB. He's capturing them for their own good. Whatever Widmore's endgame is, it seems to involve foiling MIB's plan, which means - protect the candidates. It also means he can't let them leave (which is what Sawyer thought the deal was). I feel that we have reason to fear for the Losties' lives after they "betrayed" MIB.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    My immediate thought when Widmore took Sawyer and co. captive is that he is protecting them from MIB. He's capturing them for their own good. Whatever Widmore's endgame is, it seems to involve foiling MIB's plan, which means - protect the candidates. It also means he can't let them leave (which is what Sawyer thought the deal was). I feel that we have reason to fear for the Losties' lives after they "betrayed" MIB.


I also wondered if Widmore might want to kill them now, before MIB has the chance, since that would ruin MIB's plan.

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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
    Originally posted by emma
      Originally posted by dunkndollaz
      Evil Sayid must have still had a shred of decency somewhere inside him because desmond should be dead. Is MIB starting to lose his grip ?
    I don't think we can say "Evil Sayid". Definitely "Freaky Sayid" or "Dazed & Confused Sayid". I don't recall him actually doing anything evil since he's been resurrected. I think that's still the same Sayid in there, but he is just in a sort of emotional shock, or a "giving up" kind of place.

I think Dogen and his associate would beg to differ.




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.43
    Originally posted by whatever
      Originally posted by emma
      I don't think we can say "Evil Sayid". Definitely "Freaky Sayid" or "Dazed & Confused Sayid". I don't recall him actually doing anything evil since he's been resurrected. I think that's still the same Sayid in there, but he is just in a sort of emotional shock, or a "giving up" kind of place.

    I think Dogen and his associate would beg to differ.
You make a good point. (No, seriously. I had in fact forgotten how "hands on" Sayid was there.) After Dogen ...
1) tortured him, for no apparent reason;
2) tried to poison him, via Jack;
3) was told by Jack that "those people" (Dogen) wanted him (Sayid) dead;
4) justified that with " I think it would be best" if Sayid were dead, based on some vekachte machine test;
5) attacked him personally & tried to kill him (in the big MMA showdown in Dogen's "office"), in spite of Sayid being known to be a Candidate;
And then Sayid ...
6) learned from Miles that these people weren't even the reason that he came back to life;
7) was sent out to meet MIB with the full intent that MIB would kill him;
8) was shown by Locke that Dogen was just manipulating him;
9) got the story directly from Dogen about how he was forced by Jacob to be there ...

Yeah, Sayid did kill Dogen pretty well.

Given the details of his deal with Jacob, are we really sure that wasn't actually a favour to Dogen?

Lennon? Yeah, collateral damage.

"Sayid? C'mon. I know a way out of here. There's still time." "Not for me." Definitely "Freaky", but I'm not sold on "Evil."

..."Catch a falling star & put it in your pocket. Save it for a rainy day ..."

However, Sayid did leave both of them floating in the (albeit dirty) resurrection pool. Jus' sayin'.

On rewatching (Thanks for that impetus! No, really!). I'm reminded that Dogen goes through the details of how Jacob *coerced* Dogen to follow him. Dogen wraps up the explanation by saying, "I take it he (MIB) offered you a similar bargain." Sayid says yes, but it strikes me as a very different bargain. Jacob leveraged "trust me, I'll fix the mistake you (Dogen) made" vs. lifelong unquestioning service. With nothing but Dogen's belief to verify that Jacob held up his end. MIB's "deal" with Sayid was all forward-looking. But more importantly, centered around finding a loophole to get around Jacob having killed Nadia. (Oh, c'mon, try to convince me that Jacob didn't make that happen! Down to the last second distraction of Sayid.)

((I lurve my Tivo -- it's better than thumbing through the last 5 chapters looking for the salient references!!! What am I gonna do when Lost is over??))
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.93
    Originally posted by emma
      Originally posted by whatever
        Originally posted by emma
        I don't think we can say "Evil Sayid". Definitely "Freaky Sayid" or "Dazed & Confused Sayid". I don't recall him actually doing anything evil since he's been resurrected. I think that's still the same Sayid in there, but he is just in a sort of emotional shock, or a "giving up" kind of place.

      I think Dogen and his associate would beg to differ.
    You make a good point. (No, seriously. I had in fact forgotten how "hands on" Sayid was there.) After Dogen ...
    1) tortured him, for no apparent reason;
    2) tried to poison him, via Jack;
    3) was told by Jack that "those people" (Dogen) wanted him (Sayid) dead;
    4) justified that with " I think it would be best" if Sayid were dead, based on some vekachte machine test;
    5) attacked him personally & tried to kill him (in the big MMA showdown in Dogen's "office"), in spite of Sayid being known to be a Candidate;
    And then Sayid ...
    6) learned from Miles that these people weren't even the reason that he came back to life;
    7) was sent out to meet MIB with the full intent that MIB would kill him;
    8) was shown by Locke that Dogen was just manipulating him;
    9) got the story directly from Dogen about how he was forced by Jacob to be there ...

    Yeah, Sayid did kill Dogen pretty well.

    Given the details of his deal with Jacob, are we really sure that wasn't actually a favour to Dogen?

    Lennon? Yeah, collateral damage.

    "Sayid? C'mon. I know a way out of here. There's still time." "Not for me." Definitely "Freaky", but I'm not sold on "Evil."

    ..."Catch a falling star & put it in your pocket. Save it for a rainy day ..."

    However, Sayid did leave both of them floating in the (albeit dirty) resurrection pool. Jus' sayin'.

    On rewatching (Thanks for that impetus! No, really!). I'm reminded that Dogen goes through the details of how Jacob *coerced* Dogen to follow him. Dogen wraps up the explanation by saying, "I take it he (MIB) offered you a similar bargain." Sayid says yes, but it strikes me as a very different bargain. Jacob leveraged "trust me, I'll fix the mistake you (Dogen) made" vs. lifelong unquestioning service. With nothing but Dogen's belief to verify that Jacob held up his end. MIB's "deal" with Sayid was all forward-looking. But more importantly, centered around finding a loophole to get around Jacob having killed Nadia. (Oh, c'mon, try to convince me that Jacob didn't make that happen! Down to the last second distraction of Sayid.)

    ((I lurve my Tivo -- it's better than thumbing through the last 5 chapters looking for the salient references!!! What am I gonna do when Lost is over??))
Look, I wasn't saying he wasn't justified (by TV standards anyway), but last time I checked, killing two people in cold blood = evil. Just providing a point to your "Not doing anything evil" recollection is all.

Now I don't think he's *all* evil by any means, as he let Zoe live when he shot Widmore's other men. This gives me hope that Desmond was able to reason with him. I would more make the case that he is operating off of logic and reasoning, and (supposedly) without any feeling or conscience.




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.25
Emma - maybe "Evil" wasn't quite the right word but he is wearing all black, supposedly working for the "bad guys" and he sure ain't the good Sayid we knew from earlier episodes.

You also bring up a good point in that - did Jacob actually do what he promised he would do ? We know from previous seasons that Ben told Juliet that Jacob would take care of her sister and we saw the video Richard shot in Miami of her sister playing with her child. So my guess is that Jacob was capable of fixing a problem but he's not capable of bringing someone back to life - just like he told Richard in Ab Aeterno. Which now makes me wonder if John Locke was dead when he got tossed from the building by Daddy Dearest and if Sayid was actually dead too. But then again, we don't know for sure that it was Jacob that fixed Sayid in the pool since the water had changed color and Jacob was already dead at that point. It also makes me wonder about MIB's capability to bring someone back. The producers have said "Dead is Dead" but that was before Slideways World made it's appearance where everyone dead is alive again (except for Nikki & Paulo we hope)

Mr Shh - I wonder if Widmore will put Sawyer & Kate back into the polar bear cages ?



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
    Originally posted by emma
    Of course, I don't know why he thought that having Desmond along was necessary. Unless he believed he needed an Island-ite to get back. There is that superstition that they needed to recreate the 815 conditions in order to get back to the Island. Widmore himself was banished, so he doesn't count. We don't know the conditions of Eloise's departure. Desmond lived there for 3 years - maybe that's what Widmore was assuming -- you need a "key" to get back in, & Desmond was someone whom the Island had called.
Which could be a reason why (and how) Michael managed to be recruited onto the crew of the freighter?

I've also been wondering about Eloise's departure, and wondered if it was among the list of things to be revealed before the end (along with the DeGroots and Hanso Foundation). She seems like a pretty important character to have so much left unsaid, IMO.

....and thanks to all for the heads-up on tonight being a repeat, hadn't even realized that!
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Regarding Widmore turning on Sawyer and why he brought Desmond, I think it goes back to why Jack jumped. Widmore simply can't let them leave because they have a role to play still. I think he understands far more than you give him credit for emmma. His conversation with Ben so long ago about the "rules" and what he said to Sawyer show a bit of that.

He needed Desmond because of his "special abilities", not just to get back to the island. Why put him through that test otherwise? I think he wants to put things back the way they originally happened, merge the timelines if you will. His wife doesn't want that to occur because her son would be dead again, that would be why she got on Desmonds case. Maybe it will take another big magnetic event to get everything straight and Desmond has to be the one to accomplish that?
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    Originally posted by emma
      Originally posted by dunkndollaz
      and why the repeat this week and is there significance that we missed the first time in the episode that they are repeating ?
    a) I suspect that a number of people have lost track across the last couple of weeks of where's Miles & what Richard & Ben are up to. b) The various exposition given by Jacob & MIB in that episode is going to be crucial to the endgame. Things have been flying by so fast this season that we may need a second look at it, as well has having it fresh for the subsequent episode. c) IMO, that is the biggest "don't miss" single episode of the season. Given that they needed to repeat something to align the finale to a "lost number" date, that's a good one to choose.
Wasn't it more like this was the first episode to NOT get repeated, due to DWtS starting up?

EDIT: Anticipating potential future replies, I've pre-emptively reopened the Ab Aeterno thread (The W), just in case.


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