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I don't think I've ever been more impressed with Jack than when he jumped off that boat. His transformation is complete. He's practically an all new character. Jack's been a source of frustration and disappointment for six years. You always wanted to think the best of him but we too often saw the worst. His character has been redeemed.

It's pretty satisfying to see Jack completely changed. He takes orders, he's calm, he's thoughtful. He sincerely apologized for getting Juliet stuck in V. He has faith. And he sure does love the Island - well, maybe not, but he believes in it. If only the late John Locke could see Jack now; he'd smile that squinty-eyed crooked smile of his.

Is Jack with Smoke Locke like Smoke Locke thinks? Maybe after Jack recovers from being exploded on the beach, he might beg to differ.

"You can always turn someone back from the Dark Side. Anakin?"
"Who the hell's Anakin?!"

Many's the time I wish we never found out the hell Anakin is. Has living on the Island for the confusing and contradictory amount of time obliterated Sawyer's pop culture knowledge. He was Mr. Nickname. He should know who Anakin is. He knew that Lapidus looks like he stepped off the set of a Burt Reynolds movie. (Maybe Sawyer's reference points are still stuck in the 70's).

They could have called this episode "Everybody Betrays Locke". The Candidates couldn't wait to bail on Smoke Locke and take off on their plan B. Sayid probably even betrayed Smoke Locke and lied about offing Desmond in the well. Where was Sayid at the end when the Widmore missiles blew up all of those Others? Did Sayid follow Locke back to the beach?

The episode started out with more straight up answers: "Were you, Smoke Monster, inhabiting Christian's dead body?" "Yes." "Why?" "So Jack could find water." Wow. The Smoke Monster should have said, "All I've ever wanted to do, Jack, is just tell you all these answers to your questions up front. It just didn't work out that way."

I really thought for a second Kate's attempt to reason with Claire would get her if not killed, then shot. I don't think Kate's been injured on the show. She hasn't been shot or stabbed or stepped in a bear trap. She's been fucked in a bear cage... I'm digressing. I was hoping while they were eating the canned goods in the galley of the boat, someone would have encouraged Claire to use the bathroom sink and wash her hair or something.

Kind of out of the blue, because with all the other stuff going on it sneaked in under the radar a bit, we got the Jin and Sun Island reunion we've waited two seasons for. "Looks like someone got her voice back." Frank Lapidus Spells Things Out.

Meanwhile, in the sideways universe, Sun recognized Locke. Did she just recognize him from Oceanic 815 or was there a cross-reality realization? Jack recognized Locke too from their meeting at the airport. Dr. Linus found out Locke's first name, and it's a manly name like John and not a girlie name like Leslie (Arzt).

Jack and Claire had family reunions in both realities. I was impressed by how Jack's moppet son walked exactly like he does when they were walking down the hospital corridor on the way to Jack's surgery. Also, Claire has been pretty well established to be super-duper trusting. She got in the cab with Kate after Kate cab-jacked her at the airport, and she trusted Desmond pretty quickly before going into the law firm to meet the cleans-up-nicely corporate hot Ilana. (KABLAMMO!)

Detective James Ford and Kate have a lot of fun potential in the sideways universe. He's the scruffy cop with a mysterious secret, she's the wanted, sexy fugitive with a heart of gold. And Miles makes for a great third wheel. It's a shame the sideways universe won't continue as its own show. I liked how Miles and Jimmy tripped up Sayid and caught him so handily.

Incidentally, Sayid has been a hired assassin for Ben Linus and a zombie (would be) assassin for Smoke Locke. He has four episodes left to find a way to become an assassin for Charles Widmore and complete the Lost Super Villain trifecta.

So whatever happened with Richard, Ben, and Miles' plot to blow up that plane? Are they already on Hydra Island? I guess we'll soon find out.



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.86
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Has living on the Island for the confusing and contradictory amount of time obliterated Sawyer's pop culture knowledge. He was Mr. Nickname. He should know who Anakin is. He knew that Lapidus looks like he stepped off the set of a Burt Reynolds movie. (Maybe Sawyer's reference points are still stuck in the 70's).
Hey was I stuck in a feverish haze of mishearing tonight or did Sawyer drop a "Chesley" on Lapidus? Because there's NO way he should know who THAT is.



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    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Has living on the Island for the confusing and contradictory amount of time obliterated Sawyer's pop culture knowledge. He was Mr. Nickname. He should know who Anakin is. He knew that Lapidus looks like he stepped off the set of a Burt Reynolds movie. (Maybe Sawyer's reference points are still stuck in the 70's).
    Hey was I stuck in a feverish haze of mishearing tonight or did Sawyer drop a "Chesley" on Lapidus? Because there's NO way he should know who THAT is.


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I actually find it very realistic for a man James' age (39*) to know enough about Star Wars to make Han Solo/Chewie references but not understand/care that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. He doesn't really strike me as the type to take in the prequels, and the internet in 2004 was miles different than in 2010 (or 2007...whatever.)

As for MiB, do you think he's regretting killing Eko yet?

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    I actually find it very realistic for a man James' age (39*) to know enough about Star Wars to make Han Solo/Chewie references but not understand/care that Darth Vader was Anakin Skywalker. He doesn't really strike me as the type to take in the prequels, and the internet in 2004 was miles different than in 2010 (or 2007...whatever.)


He wouldn't have to have seen the prequels. A man of James' age would have seen Return of the Jedi as a kid, which was when Anakin Skywalker was redeemed from the Dark Side. But I can certainly understand if he didn't remember or care about that. Ask most people about Return of the Jedi, the first thing you'll hear is complainin' about the damn Ewoks.

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You'll note that the MIB only said he appeared as Christian on that specific day that Jack mentioned. He didn't confirm that he's been posing as Christian every other time we've seen Daddy Shepherd appear --- in Jacob's cabin, on the freighter with Michael, by the donkey wheel with Locke, in the Dharma barracks with Sun and Frank, or holding Aaron and luring Claire away. Given that we've seen Christian in two distinct outfits (his burial suit and casual wear), I wonder if this has been a hint that we've seen two different Christians in play.

Also, did Jack get killed by that bomb? Did he just get revived and 'infected' ala Sayid by the Man in Black?

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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    You'll note that the MIB only said he appeared as Christian on that specific day that Jack mentioned. He didn't confirm that he's been posing as Christian every other time we've seen Daddy Shepherd appear --- in Jacob's cabin, on the freighter with Michael, by the donkey wheel with Locke, in the Dharma barracks with Sun and Frank, or holding Aaron and luring Claire away. Given that we've seen Christian in two distinct outfits (his burial suit and casual wear), I wonder if this has been a hint that we've seen two different Christians in play.


Claire acknowledged that she had been with MiB for the last three years, so I'm presuming that it was MiB in the cabin as Christian. MiB couldn't turn into Locke until Ajira316 crashed, so I presume that was how he presented herself to her the majority of the time.

So, by association, the Donkey Wheel Christian was MiB as well. He had to be cryptic to John about Christian being Jack's father because if Locke just outright stated that he talked with Christian, Jack would've told him he was full of shit. Instead, when Jack saw that Locke pieced it together at that moment it put the tiny seed of doubt in that Locke was right. That, of course, led to Jack rounding up the gang and Jacob getting a hot dagger in the chest.

On the freighter, who the fuck knows? I thought he couldn't cross water, but whatever. Maybe it was Whispher Michael who is stuck in purgatory with the other wrongdoers for some reason.



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It was great seeing the cast back together again. I liked this episode, although they really seem to be forcing answers now when they could have been more subtle about it earlier in the season. Having characters talk about big reveals they could have actually shown removes the impact.

The Christian as MIB thing makes sense in some instances, but not all. A lot of holes there. The Michael one, obviously, sticks out. Another one is the Donkey Wheel. MIB can only appear as someone dead and I don't think Christian was even born when he was appearing as him down there.

I suppose Christian's body could have been teleporting along with Sawyer, Locke, Charlotte, etc. but that's still convoluted. Especially if MIB needed Locke's body to come to the island to take his form.

But, the cabin stuff makes sense at least. I'd like it more if it really did turn out to be Christian's ghost/zombie in some instances, and MIB in others. Like Michael or the Whispers, and then the MIB.


Then again, MIB is a lying sack of shit, so who knows what to believe there.

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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
I should go back and rewatch to confirm, but I *think* when Christian appears in White Rabbit, you can hear the tika-tika-tika noise in the background.

Smokey HAS to be able to cross water. Not only do we need to explain Christian on the freighter, but how did Sun and Lapidus meet Christian at the DHARMA barracks while Locke was guilting Ben into seeking Smokey for atonement? I'm thinking that if Sawyer thinks Smokey can't cross water, that rules him out as a suspect for the Ajira massacre, when he's totally the person(?) responsible.

Part of me still thinks that despite all the open hostility, Smokey and Widmore are working together, and the appearance of war is just their way of conning the Castaways/Candidates.

Smokey's condescension towards Locke is interesting, but I wonder if he wasn't being especially harsh because he knew that would help him convince Jack. Jack's Locke-ish speech to Sawyer on the boat was awesome. I liked how Jack jumping off the boat mirrored Sawyer jumping off the helicopter.

I fully expected Claire to shoot Kate. I also fully expected Sayid to shoot Desmond. Interesting that Desmond basically used the example of Michael (without realizing it) to reason with Sayid.

I loved how Chesty Lapidus was basically "all non-essential characters below deck so we can have a scene with The Triangle."

John introducing himself to Ben was nice. When he said "I was supposed to marry Helen," was that him assuming the injury will prevent him from marrying her, or was that Island-Locke bleeding over with his knowledge that Helen is dead? Sun's recognition of Locke was interesting.

I LOVED David walking the same as Jack. The fact that he's all buddy-buddy with Jack now, and Jack clearly loves it, seems HIGHLY suspicious, especially after the Desmond-Eloise confrontation. I suppose this could just be Jack getting the father-son relationship that he always wanted, but I wonder if David is something more sinister or important. Like maybe HE'S where the Smoke Monster is hiding in the Sideways Timeline. Maybe by turning himself into the (unnatural) object that Jack adores most, the smoke monster (or Jacob, or maybe even the island(????)) is using Jack's love as protection. (Kinda like Buffy and Dawn, for example.) All I know is when David starting joking around with Jack, I started thinking THAT KID IS EVIL!!!

Hooray Jin and Sun reunion!!! Its a shame that felt overshadowed by the war going on around them. I half expected them to run to meet each other at the pylons and then get knocked out before they could touch each other.

At least Sawyer explained his plan for using the sub.

Wired has an interview with Lindelof and Cuse in the new issue and the first page has a picture of them in front of a white board they were using to plot the show. Three of last night's scenes were on the white board, which is interesting, because there's a time line above the board with some strange differences from what we've seen happen and I wonder if that was just stuff they wrote and then changed or if that will come in to play...



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
So, Sayid loses everything right after looking MiB in the eye and lying to him on the island. Can he control things that quickly?

Did Sun recognize Locke for being Locke or Locke for being MiB?

If I'm Jack's son I'm not going to be so good with waiting eight or more hours in a hospital. Screw that.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
    Originally posted by CRZ
    Hey was I stuck in a feverish haze of mishearing tonight or did Sawyer drop a "Chesley" on Lapidus? Because there's NO way he should know who THAT is.

I was absolutely positive I heard him say "Chesley" and at the time I wasn't even thinking about Capt. Sullenberger (because I forgot his first name was Chesley). I still could have misheard, but at the very least there was no suggestion on the part of my subconscious to MAKE me mishear.

I could be completely wrong on this one too, but how often has Jack referred to Sawyer by his first name in the past? For some reason when Jack called him "James" in this episode it stood out to me as very Locke-ish, or worse, Man in Blackish.

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    Originally posted by EddieBurkett


    Wired has an interview with Lindelof and Cuse in the new issue and the first page has a picture of them in front of a white board they were using to plot the show. Three of last night's scenes were on the white board, which is interesting, because there's a time line above the board with some strange differences from what we've seen happen and I wonder if that was just stuff they wrote and then changed or if that will come in to play...

Here's the pic:

http://www.wired.com/magazine/wp-content/images/18-05/ff_lost_2000px_f.jpg

The can of WD-40 seems oddly out of place.
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Miles must be thrilled by the way that he is being left behind.
Even by the man he worked with for 3 years in the 70s, and who is his partner in the alternative world.
At no point did they include him in the plans.

Or did I miss something? Is he somewhere else?
I thought he was with Hurley/Jack and thus with Locke's group.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
    Originally posted by dMp
    Miles must be thrilled by the way that he is being left behind.
    Even by the man he worked with for 3 years in the 70s, and who is his partner in the alternative world.
    At no point did they include him in the plans.

    Or did I miss something? Is he somewhere else?
    I thought he was with Hurley/Jack and thus with Locke's group.


No, Miles, Ben and Richard set off on their own to blow up the Ajira plane two episodes ago.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by dMp
      Miles must be thrilled by the way that he is being left behind.
      Even by the man he worked with for 3 years in the 70s, and who is his partner in the alternative world.
      At no point did they include him in the plans.

      Or did I miss something? Is he somewhere else?
      I thought he was with Hurley/Jack and thus with Locke's group.


    No, Miles, Ben and Richard set off on their own to blow up the Ajira plane two episodes ago.


ok thanks. Could've sworn he was with them ..



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID

    Then again, MIB is a lying sack of shit, so who knows what to believe there.



Agreed ... I'm sure it'll piss off fans who are looking for LOST to provide answers rather than present more questions, but there's no reason to believe that the MiB wasn't lying about appearing as Christian just to further manipulate Jack.



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Jack hasn't changed a bit, except maybe that he's gotten more selfish. ((There's no middle ground between Orquiola & me -- either we totally agree or we totally disagree. :-) )) First thing in the episode, Locke asks Jack for a private convo, & Jack checks in with Hurley first. "Hurley. This was your idea. You all right with me talking to him alone?" "It's all you, dude." Yes. That's the tao Jack, that's the changed Jack. That's the Jack who realised that his forcing his decisions got Juliet killed, & generally wants to let somebody else drive the bus. But, as soon as Jack gets a revised plan from Sawyer, he goes right back to his old pattern of making decisions for everybody else. "Hurley, wait up. Sun. We have to go now." "Go where?" "There's no time. Just let it go. Follow me." "I think we should stick to Sawyer's plan." "This is Sawyer's plan. Let's go." Totally blows off Hurley's objection, & he's off at a run, taking for granted that, naturally, everybody would just follow him. He has just made the decision for Frank, Sun & Hurley. No discussion with Hurley of what's happening, either during the trek or as soon as they separate off from the main group.

Then, Jack goes back to staring out at the ocean. "Didn't think you'd show up, Doc. Takin' orders ain't your strong suit. Nice to see you finally came around."

Decides unilaterally that he doesn't feel good about this direction. Sawyer tells him to shut up or get off. Jack makes his decision for himself, leaving Hurley, whom he got into this situation, & Kate, who also had misgivings, to fend for themselves. At least before when he'd make decisions for other people, he'd retain responsibility for them. At this point, he's just a mess. But he's certainly not somebody I'd trust as either a leader or a follower. Lead, follow or get out of the way.


Meawhile, in an equally unpopular opinion, I'm still not convinced that MIB is a "bad guy". Goal directed & manipulative, yes. But I still say that Jacob was the evil manipulator, he was much "worse" to the people who believed in him, & MIB is just trying to work with what he's got.


Mean-meanwhile, why wasn't Jack's mother present for the official reading of her husband's will?
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.71
    Originally posted by Alessandro
      Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID

      Then again, MIB is a lying sack of shit, so who knows what to believe there.



    Agreed ... I'm sure it'll piss off fans who are looking for LOST to provide answers rather than present more questions, but there's no reason to believe that the MiB wasn't lying about appearing as Christian just to further manipulate Jack.


We've gotten so used to not getting answers that maybe we oughta accept that every now and then they do give an answer.
Even though it's not much of an answer (or a flawed one).

And I agree with emma. Jack's behavior still made me roll my eyes. First he drags em into it, then he walks away from it.
At least it meant he got Sun and Jin together. Which was a good moment.



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I've never hated Jack like most everyone else. I thought him leaving the boat made sense in that he's the only one who realized it wasn't going to work. That even if they left the island it wouldn't fix anything or be an end to this mess. He had to stay and see it through, whatever "it" is.

At least that's how I saw it. Sawyer wasn't going to turn back and no one else was likely to go swimming with him, so not talking to the rest didn't matter much. He probably figured they weren't getting off the island or if they did they'd be back again anyway.
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Agreeing with wmtastic, here. Before (Seasons 1-4), Jack was pretty much all about "getting us off this island". He didn't care about the Dharma hatches, Others or anything else. He was locked-in on getting off the island.

So this time out, he wasn't so focussed on escaping the island and leaving it all behind. He realized that there's a bigger problem going on and that he needs to see how it resolves; and, more importantly, feels that he's a key part of it.


I think it's been mentioned on this board before, but it really hurt the show when they lost Walt to "natural causes" (aging). I'm still trying to fill-in-the-blanks on why the Others took Walt back in the Season 1 finale. I'm okay with the whispers and the Smokey Ghost explanations, but has anyone been able to draw conclusions about Walt's abduction?



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I just got it for my birthday yesterday from the wife. I really enjoyed it probably due for my love for Jedi. The opening crawl with them going off on Fox for pretty much forcing to do the trilogy sets the tone to lower expectations.
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