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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.81
Notice how when the Smoke Monster went to attack Bram, there was a white flash because of the ash. Considering that Locke saw the white flash, I think it's safe now to assume that any time we've seen a white flash, it's been Jacob in some form protecting them, and any time we've seen the black smoke monster, it's been the Man in Black.

Another thing to note is that Desmond disappeared after Charlie's life was saved. Maybe this alternate 815 is unraveling things somehow.

I don't think we'll have any real resolution to the alternate 815 timeline till much later in the season, but it is pretty crazy how they all still wound up on the plane and how Christian's body went missing, so the island is still effecting things despite being underwater.

Also, I never thought of this the entire time, but it's almost too perfect that Locke has a spinal injury and Jack is a spinal surgeon. I thought that was a great moment when Jack offered to help Locke. They must have been planning that one since the beginning of the series.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.39
So, minor point but the blue VW van jumped through time too right, otherwise it would have been pretty rotted and shot from the years of sitting.

Also it occurred to me that these guys must have incredible headaches dehydration, all kinds of head trauma plus the time travel can't be good.

Too bad we didn't really get to see anyone from the tail section other than Bernard. I'd like to see more Mr Eko.

Ben seemed to be finally tiring of playing the bitch and looked to be scheming something up there at the end which is good. It'd be nice if real Locke would come back too though.

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.48
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
    Notice how when the Smoke Monster went to attack Bram, there was a white flash because of the ash. Considering that Locke saw the white flash, I think it's safe now to assume that any time we've seen a white flash, it's been Jacob in some form protecting them, and any time we've seen the black smoke monster, it's been the Man in Black.

I don't remember a white flash during the Bram attack, but another notable white flash is when Juliet and Kate encountered the Monster back in Season 3. Popular theory at the time was that the monster was "taking pictures" of their memories (scanning). Was the white flash actually protecting them?

Or...(tangent coming)

Was the banyan tree that they were hiding in protecting them? Kate hid in the banyan roots once before to escape Smokey's attack. So far, we've seen that banyan roots (which kinda form a circle), the sonic fence (circular) and a circle of ash protect you from Smokey. Is it that Smokey can't cross ANY circle?

/tangent

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    So, minor point but the blue VW van jumped through time too right, otherwise it would have been pretty rotted and shot from the years of sitting.

If the rules from last season still apply, then yes, because Sayid was touching it at the time of the flash.




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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.00
My first thought after last night's episode was the resemblance to the series finale of Star Trek TNG, where Picard kept being transported between three different timelines. First, he had to get his head around what was happening, then take actions in all three timelines to address the problem.

I wonder if something similar isn't going to happen here.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
    Originally posted by Alessandro
    By the way, I played "4-8-15-16-23 (42)" in yesterday's lottery jackpot (megamillions.com) ... Didn't win, but at least that means I'm not cursed ;)


I actually read a story once in the paper about how lots of LOST fans play 'the numbers' in lotteries all over the world. The Lotto 649 official quoted in the story said that so many people played them that even if those numbers were picked, the winnings would be split among hundreds of people rather than the usual two or three.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.26
Juliet was not on Flight 815 and she had no physical contact with Jacob. Even if Sawyer had brought her, the new Others would not have agreed to save her.

I wonder if the waters in the healing pool that were running red with Jacob's blood are now clear again since Sayid is alive (?).

I will be interested to see if Claire is pregnant or not in NotLost.

Is Jacob's list of names the same list of names that Ben had over in Dharma village ? Was Ben anticipating the crash of the plane in 2004 because he had already lived through it all once before ?

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.62
    Originally posted by dunkndollaz
    Is Jacob's list of names the same list of names that Ben had over in Dharma village ? Was Ben anticipating the crash of the plane in 2004 because he had already lived through it all once before ?


Nah. Sayid wasn't on Ben's list; Ben's list didn't come from Jacob, and was just Hurley, Sawyer, Jack and Kate. Hurley to take a message back to the beach, Jack to do his surgery, and Sawyer and Kate to manipulate Jack.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    It's pretty cool how they're playing off the same parallel universes idea that they used in the Star Trek reboot.

    I think we can chalk a lot of the discrepancies between what Locke saw when the smoke monster took him and what people saw at the cabin as being part of the MiB screwing with everybody while trying to put his pieces into play against Jacob. They did make it clear last season when Jacob's "bodyguards" found the cabin that

    a. the circle of ash had been broken at some point
    b. that Jacob hadn't been at the cabin for a long time.

    So it seems logical, to me anyways, that it's been the MiB in the cabin manipulating every one all along.



When Locke first came to the cabin, someone said 'help me'
This could have been Jacob who knew he was being threatened.
I assume that when the ash circle was broken Jacob fled to under the statue as he knew he wasn't safe there anymore.

Maybe the smoke creature could roam around UNDER the temple but not enter it because of Jacob/ash protection?

Oh, and that hole in the tunnel floor that they tried to circumvent when they got captured, was that the hole where Ben fell through and got confronted by the monster last season?



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
Phenomenal theory posited by someone on the TWOP boards: the reincarnated Sayid isn't Jacob or the Man In Black, but rather it's Sayid's alternate-universe LA X persona that's now in the Island Sayid's body. There's also a theory flying around that Sayid's "what happened?" line sounded oddly British, like Naveen Andrews didn't bother using his regular character voice, so perhaps Sayid has been inputed with Charlie's personality. That's another interesting idea, actually.....Sayid ends up being a conduit for the souls of all the Losties killed on the Island. That would be pretty hilarious to see Andrews suddenly bust out the mimicry skills in S6 after playing the stolid Sayid for five years.

    Originally posted by dMp
    When Locke first came to the cabin, someone said 'help me'
    This could have been Jacob who knew he was being threatened.
    I assume that when the ash circle was broken Jacob fled to under the statue as he knew he wasn't safe there anymore.

    Maybe the smoke creature could roam around UNDER the temple but not enter it because of Jacob/ash protection?

    Oh, and that hole in the tunnel floor that they tried to circumvent when they got captured, was that the hole where Ben fell through and got confronted by the monster last season?


Great catch on the hole in the temple floor. I'm going to presume that the thing in the cabin was the MIB, who was trapped in there by the ash. Now, since we knew the Monster had been out and about, I'm going to guess that the MIB can't really "control" himself when in smoke monster form. It's like Bruce Banner and the Hulk, sort of. So what the ash did was really keep MIB's consciousness locked in the cabin, and the crazy monster side kept running wild on the Island. (And, without the MIB's mind controlling Smokey, that left it susceptible to being summoned by Ben when he drained that pool of water.) When the ash was broken, however, the MIB gained greater control over his smokey form.



Kirk, crackers are a family food. Happy families. Maybe single people eat crackers, we don't know. Frankly, we don't want to know. It's a market we can do without.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.48
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Phenomenal theory posited by someone on the TWOP boards: the reincarnated Sayid isn't Jacob or the Man In Black, but rather it's Sayid's alternate-universe LA X persona that's now in the Island Sayid's body.
See, this is kind of where I was thinking - this could also tie in with Miles' ability. Maybe he is able to 'hear' the person who has died and transferred into an alternate reality. Hence why he heard Juliette and her response that "It worked." When she died, maybe she went to the LAX ('NotLOST') reality.

(edited by whatever on 4.2.10 0630)



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.33
A big thing I took away from this episode, is that Christian Shepherd, the man, had no significance to the island, or any magical abilities. He just happened to be a dead body that crash landed on the island. His appearance was co-opted by the island's powers-that-be, just as John Locke's was. By whom, we haven't yet been told.

I thought the sudden addition of a giant temple with a band of ninja monks guarding it was sort of ridiculous. Not that all the crap I typed in the first paragraph isn't, but it's had quite a bit of build up. I assume these ninja monks will be around all season and will be important in whatever conclusion the show has, because, otherwise, what's the point?



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.62
    Originally posted by samoflange
    A big thing I took away from this episode, is that Christian Shepherd, the man, had no significance to the island, or any magical abilities. He just happened to be a dead body that crash landed on the island. His appearance was co-opted by the island's powers-that-be, just as John Locke's was. By whom, we haven't yet been told.

    I thought the sudden addition of a giant temple with a band of ninja monks guarding it was sort of ridiculous. Not that all the crap I typed in the first paragraph isn't, but it's had quite a bit of build up. I assume these ninja monks will be around all season and will be important in whatever conclusion the show has, because, otherwise, what's the point?


See, I didn't get the impression they were ninja monks, just Others we hadn't met. After all, it's not like they haven't shown the Others to be well trained fighters before. Remember Ben and his collapsible baton?

I agree that Christian's body is just a pawn though. I feel like all the body borrowing has been a MiB thing, as Jacob seemed to be able to move pretty freely up until his death.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
I have a couple of questions about this episode. I'm hoping you fine people can help me out:

1) This one might be really simple. How come there's a space/gap between "LA" and "X" in the episode title? I thought it was spelled "LAX" when referring to the Los Angeles airport, or really anything else having to do with LA. Is there an obvious secondary meaning I'm missing?

2) The children at the Temple: our missing Oceanic 815 children, I presume?

3) Why does everyone assume the ring of ash around the cabin was to keep the MIB trapped inside the cabin rather than to keep the MIB (and Smokey) OUTSIDE the cabin? Smokey was obviously roaming free all over the island so he couldn't have been locked up in the cabin, which I would think makes it less likely the MIB was locked in there. Also, we've seen multiple times where people hide inside a ring (a ring of ash, the sonic fence) to keep Smokey at bay. Why isn't it assumed that it was Jacob in the cabin using the ring of ash to keep Smokey away?

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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
    Originally posted by StingArmy
    I have a couple of questions about this episode. I'm hoping you fine people can help me out:

    1) This one might be really simple. How come there's a space/gap between "LA" and "X" in the episode title? I thought it was spelled "LAX" when referring to the Los Angeles airport, or really anything else having to do with LA. Is there an obvious secondary meaning I'm missing?

    2) The children at the Temple: our missing Oceanic 815 children, I presume?

    3) Why does everyone assume the ring of ash around the cabin was to keep the MIB trapped inside the cabin rather than to keep the MIB (and Smokey) OUTSIDE the cabin? Smokey was obviously roaming free all over the island so he couldn't have been locked up in the cabin, which I would think makes it less likely the MIB was locked in there. Also, we've seen multiple times where people hide inside a ring (a ring of ash, the sonic fence) to keep Smokey at bay. Why isn't it assumed that it was Jacob in the cabin using the ring of ash to keep Smokey away?

    - StingArmy


1. The gap infers that this isn't Los Angeles as we know it in the Lostverse, it's Los Angeles X --- namely, an alternate reality. Of course, it's also a play on the airport name.

2. Yep, Zack and Emma were the kids taken from the tailies' camp and apparently put under Cindy's care.

3. I think the assumption was made because the Jacob we saw in "The Incident" didn't jibe at all with the being we saw/heard in the cabin that tossed Ben around the room and asked Locke for help. Also, Jacob wouldn't have needed to be protected from Smokey/MIB because as we've learned, neither can attack the other directly.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    3. I think the assumption was made because the Jacob we saw in "The Incident" didn't jibe at all with the being we saw/heard in the cabin that tossed Ben around the room and asked Locke for help.


Hasn't it been definitely established that the "person" we first saw in the cabin was not Jacob (since his bodyguards said he hadn't been in the cabin for a long time before torching the place)?

    Originally posted by Mr Shh

    Was the banyan tree that they were hiding in protecting them? Kate hid in the banyan roots once before to escape Smokey's attack. So far, we've seen that banyan roots (which kinda form a circle), the sonic fence (circular) and a circle of ash protect you from Smokey. Is it that Smokey can't cross ANY circle?


Maybe the ash for the protection-circle has to be made from crushed banyan root?

/just a shot in the dark here

(edited by Alessandro on 5.2.10 1228)


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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.54
Is it just a complete coincidence that Walt hid from the polar bear inside the banyan tree? I'm inclined to say "yes" but it doesn't seem like there are too many innocent coincidences on this show...

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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.69
It feels good to finally be able to participate in Lost threads again. I quit watching after Season 3, but two years of hearing how the show got better, combined with endless promos for the final season motivated me to marathon Seasons 4 and 5 on Netflix. Long story short, I am HOOKED again.

    Originally posted by samoflange
    A big thing I took away from this episode, is that Christian Shepherd, the man, had no significance to the island, or any magical abilities. He just happened to be a dead body that crash landed on the island. His appearance was co-opted by the island's powers-that-be, just as John Locke's was. By whom, we haven't yet been told.

My first thought after the premiere was that Smokey could only take the human form of someone who arrived on the island already dead (Yemi, Christian, Locke), but then I remembered he also became Alex (after already becoming Locke...uh oh, my head's already spinning), so that theory is out the window.

There is something special about him becoming Locke though, since he couldn't make his move against Jacob until he had his Locke form. He even went to the trouble of using the time jumps to his advantage to ensure that Locke knew he needed to die.

One thing about the alternate 2004 that I haven't seen mentioned here yet: the customs agent referred to Sun as "Ms. Paik". So are she and Jin divorced, not yet married, or not even in a relationship? Was there anything to indicate they were a couple? She could have just been accompanying him on the trip in a secretary/assistant role. I'm even betting she really doesn't speak English.



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