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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.21
You know, I really hate to be the guy that comes right out and bitches about an episode ... but this one really didn't do much for me at all.

I think my main problem was that the acting just seemed terrible tonight.

Some of the logic seemed fucked up as well. Why would Jack go have to go and talk to Claire's mom to 'fix' things if he is just going to con Kate into meeting up with Ben and eventually an island trip?

I think that Ben behind the Aaron deal was one of those things that might have surprised people, but was the Russo revelation at the end really supposed to be a surprise?

I guess I'm alright with the Jin thing.

Hopefully, everyone gets back on the island soon because I always seem to lose interest in heavy non island episodes.

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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34

Was it just me or did Rousseau's crew seem dressed "too modernly?" Weren't they meant to be on the island for decades?

Jin - not a shock.

I have no interested in the Oceanic Six really.

I am expecting Sun to try and shoot Ben and hit Kate or Jack.

When they washed up on shore, I expected them to find the 4toed statue.

How did the boat convey with them during the flash? Same as the guns and the compasss?



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
Jack: "Sayid was attacked."
Kate: "Sayid? What's he doing here?"
Jack: "That's not important right now."

But will be in about two seconds when Ben shows up. Kate and Jack. Perpetually incapable of stating simple explanations outright. Everything's gotta be tight-lipped. Everything's gotta be difficult. Even Jack just walking up to Kate's car. He had to squat by the driver's side door. He couldn't just get in the passenger side, even when it turned out he had to anyway.

As great as the scene was when Sawyer walked right into the Kate helping Claire give birth scene from season one, it would have been even better if he ran into Kate meeting her horse in season two. Sawyer'd be as confused as I was. "A horse? What the hell?"

The boat chase scene was pretty awesome. "Thank you, Lord!" "I take that back!" I'm digging the "Here's another fine mess" time travel scenarios happening on the Island. No one's yet questioned the genius of Locke's master plan:

"We have to get to the Orchid!"
"Why?"
"Ben used it to leave the Island. I'm gonna try to leave the Island too."
"How's you leaving the Island gonna stop the time flashes and save us?"
"How should I know?"

I gotta say, I never thought it was Claire's mother and I always thought it was Widmore somehow trying to take Aaron from Kate.

Ben: "No, it's me."

Jin Lives! (But no, the Frenchmen young Rousseau was on the lifeboat with sure don't have 1988 clothes or haircuts).
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.82
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    Was it just me or did Rousseau's crew seem dressed "too modernly?" Weren't they meant to be on the island for decades?
IIRC, the French crew landed on the island 16 or 17 years earlier, which would be...1987-1988?
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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34

I was expecting it to be Claire's mother, but loved the swerver that it wasn't really her.

Should anyone be surprised that it was Ben?

I don't know why, but I always got the impression Rousseau had been there for "a long time" (meaning more than 20 years).

Who else was expecting Sawyer to make a Hawaii 5-0 joke when they got in the boat?



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    Kate and Jack. Perpetually incapable of stating simple explanations outright. Everything's gotta be tight-lipped. Everything's gotta be difficult.


God yes. Not just Kate and Jack though. Everyone.

I'm proud to say I knew that Ben was behind the whole Kate thing. He's got a plan. And part of the plan is to get Kate feeling where she's not safe and only Jack can save her by taking them back to the island.

I'm questioning whether or not Sayid and Ben ever stopped working together. It all seems to have fallen together too well for them to not be working with each other still.

Regardless, I'll second the call for less Oceanic 6, more Island stuff.

I'm so glad Jin isn't dead. I wanted to call it, but this show has a penchant for killing off characters.

This show raised a few nagging questions.

- Who are the people on the other boat? Water bottle from an Indian airline? On the island apparently after the beach camp had been deserted for some time? Why would they start shooting without trying to find out who the people who stole their boat were?

- How does the nosebleed thing work again? Charlotte gets sick first, then Miles, then...Juliet? If it's about how long you've been on the island, that would imply that Daniel has been there longer than Juliet (plausible, given the flashback in the first episode this season), but so have Sawyer and Locke. We know that's not true.

- So the plan is to get to the Orchid and...do something. Maybe spin the donkey wheel in the other direction to close the negatively charged energy portal, somehow ejecting Locke and stopping the light flashes?

- Does this mean we'll now be subjected to a Rousseau flashback? I DON'T CARE ABOUT HER.


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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34

I believe they said over the summer that Rousseau's story was not done, even though she was killed.

If you subscribe to the theory that Charlotte was a kid on the island and Miles is the Candle's baby, then their "total cum island time" would be fairly high. Juliet has been on the island for a while working with the others. Sawyer and Locke's island time is presumbly only a couple months. Faraday may be escaping the nosebleeds since he has met his constant (Desmond).




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.52
When Charlotte came to, she didn't recognize Daniel until he identified himself. Then, everything seemed to be OK. Is Daniel Charlotte's constant? Did Daniel become Charlotte's constant ONLY after professing his love for her (right in front of her) in last week's episode?

Last season, Charlie appears to Hurley and says that he is dead, but he's also here. Tonight, Kate says that Sawyer is alive, but he's gone. I love the symmetry of the dialogue. Did the turning of the wheel simultaneously make the living disappear and the dead appear (in the "real" world, that is)?

Ben's m.o. has always been to manipulate people into doing things without the people realizing they have been manipulated (see: spinal surgery). The illusion of free will had to remain. Ben trying to scare Kate into coming back to the Island by coming after Aaron fits this m.o., but Ben flat out admitting that to Kate does not. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.54
    Originally posted by jfkfc
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      Was it just me or did Rousseau's crew seem dressed "too modernly?" Weren't they meant to be on the island for decades?
    IIRC, the French crew landed on the island 16 or 17 years earlier, which would be...1987-1988?


Exactly. Remember - she's pregnant with Alex, who I think was supposed to be 16.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by Mr Shh
    Ben's m.o. has always been to manipulate people into doing things without the people realizing they have been manipulated (see: spinal surgery). The illusion of free will had to remain. Ben trying to scare Kate into coming back to the Island by coming after Aaron fits this m.o., but Ben flat out admitting that to Kate does not. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.


Its actually the same M.O. he went over with Juliet when planning for her to befriend Kate to infiltrate the camp in Left Behind. Juliet was to lie and say that the Others cuffed them together and dumped them in the forest, but if Kate catches her in the lie, she should fess up. Ben just did the same thing.

I liked the episode, if only for the reveal that a young Rousseau (who I didn't think looked anything like old Rousseau) saved Jin! YES!!!!

I'm a little disappointed in how quickly the O6 have been reunited, but I suppose this is all Ben's manipulation. If Bentham's death is what triggered Jack to finally team with Ben and Sayid to rescue Hurley, I'm wondering if Ben was lying about the last time he saw Locke being at the Orchid. Then again, when has Ben told the whole truth about anything? I'd agree with the suspicions that Ben and Sayid are working together, except why pretend to be contentious in front of Jack, who's on team Ben, and why have Sayid tell Hurley to avoid Ben even if you have a super-powered lawyer who can clear up the resulting mess just as fast as clearing up the hot pocket stain on the wall?

I was expecting the boat to not make the jump, so that just as Sawyer was cheering the convenient leap, they'd all splash into the ocean. But, as pointed out, the boat traveling makes as much sense as the gun and the compass. (I forgot the gun wasn't with them originally.)

    Originally posted by John Orquiola
    Sawyer'd be as confused as I was. "A horse? What the hell?"


Sawyer and Kate both see the horse at the end of that episode, and I believe he was somewhat confused by it.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.28
1. The Sickness: Danielle's entire team, including her husband whom she had to kill, were all overcome by the sickness that "The Others" gave them. What if the "sickness" was temporal displacement, caused not by the Others, but by Jin, Locke, Sawyer et al?

2. The Whispers: Not Others, but time travelers?



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Sawyer'd be as confused as I was. "A horse? What the hell?"


    Sawyer and Kate both see the horse at the end of that episode, and I believe he was somewhat confused by it.


I totally forgot Sawyer saw the horse with Kate in season two. He should still have walked into that scene. "Huh. There's me, and Freckles, and that damn horse. Still don't make no sense."

Kate and Jack's mutual obstinance *three years later* after living together, being parents, and, we were shown, having lots and lots of sexytime is especially annoying. One would think they'd have learned to communicate. Develop a shorthand couples have. But I suppose old habits die hard.

I forgot to mention I liked the clever swerve of Charlotte waking up not remembering Daniel and... oh wait, Daniel, yeah! I echo Sawyer: "Thank you Lord!" The last thing I want is for someone blundering around the island with amnesia. Amnesia is the hoariest cliche in storytelling, especially on television.**

I liked the episode. It's no "Jughead" but it's A-OK with me.

JIN LIVES!

** (Forgot Desmond had amnesia last season right after he got to the freighter. I'm forgetting everything. Maybe I have amnesia.)

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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.54
I wasn't shocked by the Rousseau revelation. The writers said she would be back and as soon as French people appear that is the logical jump. But I don't think it was supposed to be shocking. Believe it or not, not every scene in the whole show is meant to be shocking. I think the only one it was supposed to be shocking to was Jin and he looked shocked to me.

Speaking of Jin, when the island moved Sawyer and Juliet can no longer see the sinking boat. So the boat was not in the radius of the moving island but Jin floated into it before the jump? I guess I'll buy that just because I want Jin alive. I guess they can always chalk it up to the island wanting Jin alive and on the island.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.62
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    1. The Sickness: Danielle's entire team, including her husband whom she had to kill, were all overcome by the sickness that "The Others" gave them. What if the "sickness" was temporal displacement, caused not by the Others, but by Jin, Locke, Sawyer et al?


The temporal displacement is only affecting the time travelers themselves. Rousseau and her group are in 1988 and won't leave that timeline, so unless their 'sickness' is mental trauma from seeing Jin and others pop in and out of their lives, there won't be any nosebleeds for the Frenchies.

I may be a little time-confused here, but did Sawyer, Juliet etc. jump into the storm that Danielle's group was caught in? Since I don't get how the timeline works. Danielle's team is in the storm and picks up Jin, but they wake up on the beach the next morning and it's bright and sunny. The Losties are in the same storm, but get onto shore when it's still night and discover the remnants of Danielle's camp, as if they've already left. Guh?



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.00
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    I may be a little time-confused here, but did Sawyer, Juliet etc. jump into the storm that Danielle's group was caught in? Since I don't get how the timeline works. Danielle's team is in the storm and picks up Jin, but they wake up on the beach the next morning and it's bright and sunny. The Losties are in the same storm, but get onto shore when it's still night and discover the remnants of Danielle's camp, as if they've already left. Guh?


I think there's an easy explanation for that.

Locke, Sawyer, Daniel, Miles, Charlotte and Juliet were indeed rowing in the same storm as the French group. The Locke group got to the island first (they were likely closer plus they were rowing, not just floating in a liferaft) but they didn't find the French camp, just debris from the French ship that floated onto the Island. The French team found Jin and arrived on the Island later in the morning, but probably not on the same section of beach. After all, it's a big island.

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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.34
    Originally posted by Big Bad
      Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
      1. The Sickness: Danielle's entire team, including her husband whom she had to kill, were all overcome by the sickness that "The Others" gave them. What if the "sickness" was temporal displacement, caused not by the Others, but by Jin, Locke, Sawyer et al?


    The temporal displacement is only affecting the time travelers themselves. Rousseau and her group are in 1988 and won't leave that timeline, so unless their 'sickness' is mental trauma from seeing Jin and others pop in and out of their lives, there won't be any nosebleeds for the Frenchies.


I presume "the sickeness" is either radiation sickness (from Jughead) or an attack by The Others (poison gas maybe from that one station?). I would guess the former if I had to make a choice right now.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.52
    Originally posted by odessasteps
      Originally posted by Big Bad
        Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
        1. The Sickness: Danielle's entire team, including her husband whom she had to kill, were all overcome by the sickness that "The Others" gave them. What if the "sickness" was temporal displacement, caused not by the Others, but by Jin, Locke, Sawyer et al?


      The temporal displacement is only affecting the time travelers themselves. Rousseau and her group are in 1988 and won't leave that timeline, so unless their 'sickness' is mental trauma from seeing Jin and others pop in and out of their lives, there won't be any nosebleeds for the Frenchies.


    I presume "the sickeness" is either radiation sickness (from Jughead) or an attack by The Others (poison gas maybe from that one station?). I would guess the former if I had to make a choice right now.

But can't the Sickness be what caused Freighter girl Regina to read books upside-down and then commit suicide (or, in others words, act completely cuckoo)? That was neither radiation nor gas. Minkowski was time-jumping (not physically, but his consciousnes was). This was due to (1) proximity to the Island and (2) wrong bearings. Danielle's crew could have taken a bad bearing and their minds could have started jumping around as a result.

Re: amnesia...I think we're supposed to assume that Dan already has amnesia (the card test from last season).

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