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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.39
When one makes the requisite jokes about traveling back in time to kill Hitler, one never expects someone to actually do it. Even the red herring of seeing young Ben Linus' abusive alcoholic janitor father and lonely upbringing didn't dissuade Sayid from his new life's purpose.

In any other show, seeing little Ben get swatted around by Roger Linus would have melted Sayid' heart and filled him with some nonsense of absconding to the magic jungle where he can raise Ben right so future Ben wouldn't be such a manipulative bastard. But not Lost, and especially not Sayid Jarrah, a natural born chicken killer.

"Hi, I'm Oldham, this is my brother Darryl, and this my other brother Darryl." That was some excellent guest casting for Oldham. I liked giggly, high Sayid too.

Maybe one day we'll get the flashback explaining why, when Sayid became Ben's personal assassin, he chose to straighten his long hair from the usual ratty, grease curls.

It took me this long to figure out where I knew the actress who played "the Professional" from: She was the head prostitute in Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo's Aventine Collegium bar in Rome season 2.

I can't decide which line was funniest:

"Even the new mom wants you dead!" or "You've been here one day. I've been here three years, no flaming busses!"

Radzinski needs to chill. Or die. I was sick of him a week ago. I prefer die.
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I get a kick out of Radzinsky and his model paranoia. "Ask him about the model!" I think that's why he eventually goes Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs, people continually dismissing his over-protectiveness of his models.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26

The end is so totally a Russo-riffic swerve.


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
Of course it's a swerve. "What happened, happened", so this always happened.

If I was Kelvin Inman, Radzinsky would have never lived long enough to blow his own head off. SO obnoxious. In a good way.

Loved seeing William Sanderson as the Dharma's Sayid. And I loved that he was all about using drugs, not torture. It just fit Dharma way more than bamboo shoots under finger tips and the like.



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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
So this means Ben got Sayid on that plane knowing Sayid was going to shoot him.

It's just confusing because now we know that Widmore and Ben have both taken steps to get these people to the island. On the first and second flight. It's like they are working together, but clearly that's not the case.

I wonder how much they know not only of the islands past but of what is still to come in the future.
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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.56
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    Of course it's a swerve. "What happened, happened", so this always happened.


Is that so? You're quoting Faraday, and given his current status, can we say with 100% certainty that his theory is bulletproof? Based on what we saw, one of the following has to be true:

1. They changed things. Ben is dead, and this helps explain the dilapated state of the Barracks in Sun's 2007.

2. Child Ben was killed dead, and the adult Ben we know is not the same person. Although how this can be reconciled with "The Man Behind the Curtain" will be a trip in itself, so I severely doubt this to be the case.

3. Ben survives the shooting, and grows up extra angsty as a result. Perhaps the Others find his injured body before anyone from the DI does, and Ben begins his extra-angsty ascent to leadership of the Others.

4. Ben is dead. But, as with Locke, the island resurrects him. Maybe Ben will ultimately prove to be a spirit similar to Christian, or maybe Ben will experience the same process as Locke.

I thinking some variation on #3 makes the most sense, but we'll see. I was EXTREMELY worried Sayid was going to turn the gun on himself at the end.

I liked tripped out Sayid. I'm surprised Sawyer didn't ultimately pull the "we're all from the future card" at some point and just come clean now that he's got Jack and co. with him. For as much as he's trying to protect his Dharma way of life, if he doesn't have the pull to save Sayid's life, then what good is it?

Sayid questioning Ilana with Ben right behind her was funny. Interesting that she's a bounty hunter. (Assuming you believe her story...)

Nice to see the solo-flashback episode return.

Slight topic change:

So in last week's podcast, Lindeloff and Cuse blamed Rebecca Mader for changing Charlotte's birthdate from 1970 to 1979 while filming the scene when Ben rattles off her information in "Confirmed Dead." According to this (ausiellofiles.ew.com), Mader called the writers out and they turned around and blamed it on someone else in production. What I find especially interesting, is that in last week's podcast, they mention that their original vision for Charlotte was a slightly older woman, who would fit the alleged 1970 birthdate consistent with the story thus far. BUT according to this prior interview with Lindeloff and Cuse (ew.com), they claim that the part was originally offered to Kristen Bell. To reconcile these stories, we would have to believe that they intended for Bell to play a 37 year old, which I don't find especially credible. I think the writers got caught missing a slight detail, which can happen when writing an episodic time travel story over several years, and are doing a poor job of covering it up, because to come out and say "we missed a small detail" could throw any confidence in their ability to pull this complex plot off into question. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now, but I do find this whole episode amusing.



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.79
Shot through the heart!
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Aflame!

So if, as has been speculated, Sayid does join the Hostiles (a theory supported by this week's episode, since who the hell else is he going to meet in the jungle?), how will young Ben react when he eventually meets back up with the Hostiles in the future and sees the man who tried to kill him?

Why does the Dharma Initiative even need a torturer? And I kind of love that the big nuclear threat amongst the DI is to pull the "I'll call Ann Arbor!" card. Jacob = Bo Schembechler

    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    Of course it's a swerve. "What happened, happened", so this always happened.



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Next week's episode is, in fact, titled 'Whatever Happened, Happened'




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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by EddieBurkett
      Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Of course it's a swerve. "What happened, happened", so this always happened.


    Is that so? You're quoting Faraday, and given his current status, can we say with 100% certainty that his theory is bulletproof? Based on what we saw, one of the following has to be true:

    1. They changed things. Ben is dead, and this helps explain the dilapated state of the Barracks in Sun's 2007.

    2. Child Ben was killed dead, and the adult Ben we know is not the same person. Although how this can be reconciled with "The Man Behind the Curtain" will be a trip in itself, so I severely doubt this to be the case.

    3. Ben survives the shooting, and grows up extra angsty as a result. Perhaps the Others find his injured body before anyone from the DI does, and Ben begins his extra-angsty ascent to leadership of the Others.

    4. Ben is dead. But, as with Locke, the island resurrects him. Maybe Ben will ultimately prove to be a spirit similar to Christian, or maybe Ben will experience the same process as Locke.

    I thinking some variation on #3 makes the most sense, but we'll see. I was EXTREMELY worried Sayid was going to turn the gun on himself at the end.


Isn't Daniel's current state just extremely depressed over Charlotte dying? I don't recall seeing him since then, nor do I recall any of that contradicting the "what happened, happened" theory... plus wasn't that the whole point of the Charlie/Desmond storyline? That the universe has course correction?

In regards to the dilapidated barracks: in the "present", it's been 3 years since the last time anyone lived there, and the last thing that happened there was a miniature war...

My guess is Jin wakes up and radios in for medical assistance, leading to Jack being outed as a doctor.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
    Originally posted by Big Bad

    So if, as has been speculated, Sayid does join the Hostiles (a theory supported by this week's episode, since who the hell else is he going to meet in the jungle?), how will young Ben react when he eventually meets back up with the Hostiles in the future and sees the man who tried to kill him?



Just because he is going to meet the hostiles doesn't mean he is going to join them. Sayid just killed Ben for all the bad deeds he had done. The hostiles aren't exactly innocent either. Maybe his new mission is to wipe all of them out too.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
I think Ben knows every piece to the puzzle. He needed them to go back to set things in motion.

Sayid needed to go back in order to set little Ben free.

Maybe Jack needed to go back to save shot little Ben (speculated above)

Little Ben becomes Big Ben -> who unhinges the Island which Locke has to fix -> which makes them drop back in the past to start the process over again.

We have yet to see why Kate & Hugo are there...maybe they function on Widmore's behalf.

Faraday's Rule has yet to really be broken...because unless we see definitive proof the little Ben is dead...he isn't dead.

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
The synopsis for next week's episode pretty much gives away why Kate is there. I'll refrain from posting it as it's a sort of spoiler in that sense.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
I also found it pretty funny that 1 episode after Sawyer told Jack how he's (Sawyer) a better leader, and has got things under control, he ended up running to Jack to get his help figuring out the Sayid situation (only to get side tracked by Kate).



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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.26
    Originally posted by CxMorgado
    Loved seeing William Sanderson as the Dharma's Sayid.


This is the third character from "Deadwood" that has made an appearance on the show. The had Joannie Stubbs as a woman Sawyer conned in the past and Trixie as the Other that Sun killed. I would love to see Al Swearengen show up somehow.
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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.51
It's gonna be interesting to see that if, when "Lost" finishes it's run, someone tries to cut the scenes in every episode together so it goes chronalogically through time (assuming no alternate time lines- so for instance, the stuff that happens in 1977 would air before the plane crash in 2004, etc).
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#15 Posted on
    Originally posted by Dexley's Midnight Jogger
      Originally posted by CxMorgado
      Loved seeing William Sanderson as the Dharma's Sayid.


    This is the third character from "Deadwood" that has made an appearance on the show. The had Joannie Stubbs as a woman Sawyer conned in the past and Trixie as the Other that Sun killed. I would love to see Al Swearengen show up somehow.
Maybe when he gets done with Kings.

Also, Calamity Jane is Juliet's cancer-stricken sister.


This episode was OK. Things have really slowed down since the time-jumping/Returning to the Island stuff earlier this season. Now, we've been with Dharma for 3 weeks and, while it's interesting, it's a change of pace. I almost want to move on already now.

Sayid went back in time to prevent Ben from becoming evil and may have just been the catalyst for what turned him to evil. Awesome. He's obviously going to survive this (my guess is on really surviving since he wasn't shot in the head) in some form since he has to kill the Dharma initiative later.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.22
    Originally posted by geemoney
    It's gonna be interesting to see that if, when "Lost" finishes it's run, someone tries to cut the scenes in every episode together so it goes chronalogically through time (assuming no alternate time lines- so for instance, the stuff that happens in 1977 would air before the plane crash in 2004, etc).


And post it as a series of approximately one bajillion YouTube videos? I'd watch it.

Re: Ben not being dead
I'm thinking OBVIOUSLY he's not dead for good. He's in critical condition or the island brings him back. But, c'mon Sayid, you're supposed to be a trained killer, and you don't even go for the follow-up headshot? That would at least have eliminated the critical condition option.

I did not like how during Sawyer and Sayid's first conversation in the cell, Sayid says he doesn't want to play along and become a Dharma guy. Sawyer doesn't even ask him, WHY NOT!? He just accepts it and -end scene-. The lack of meaningful and realistic dialogue in this show kills me sometimes.

That said, I loved the episode and I want more, MORE, MOAR.

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#17 Posted on
No way that Smokey & the island let Little Ben die and there is no way that Smokey & the island don't let Sayid live. Say hello to Shannon when you get there Sayid.

Now it was speculated that Ben & Sun didn't flash back to 1977 because they were already there and couldn't be in the same place twice - does the apparent "death" oof Little Ben now suddenly open a window in the time/space contiuum and allow 2007 Ben to slip back to 1977 ?

I was bummed that jack and his tarnished ego weren't responsible for the flaming bus but I loved how sawyer blamed him anyway

somebody get Kate away from Sawyer now - she is rapidly losing favor on the "Cheat on Mrs Dunk" list....



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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.39
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a "Daniel was wrong" supporter.

I gotta say that, from that perspective, Sayid killing teen-Ben was a marvelously "holy shit" moment! Sayid is a professional assasin, always shoots people in the heart, doesn't feel the need to make additional mess with a head shot, & doesn't miss. While I grok the sentiment of the "What happened, happened" crowd ("Yeah-yeah, he'll be fine, he has to"), I'm enjoying the "what if teen Ben *is* dead?" possibilities.

What *are* the problematic side effects of the truth meds Oldham gave Sayid? We haven't *seen* anything go overtly bad for him, yet.

    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    I also found it pretty funny that 1 episode after Sawyer told Jack how he's (Sawyer) a better leader, and has got things under control, he ended up running to Jack to get his help figuring out the Sayid situation (only to get side tracked by Kate).
Oh, I read that scene differently. I thought he went to Kate to find out what motivated them all to come back, in hopes of finding some explanation for why Sayid was acting so un-Sayid-like. And, Sawyer clearly had a couple of fine plans for protecting Sayid -- it's just that Sayid was being so completely un-Sayid-like.

Sayid vanishes into the jungle, hangs out for 11 years, then lives happily playing Tarzan & Jane with Rousseau & raising little Alex himself. I always thought they had some sexual chemistry! :-)

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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by dunkndollaz

    Now it was speculated that Ben & Sun didn't flash back to 1977 because they were already there and couldn't be in the same place twice - does the apparent "death" oof Little Ben now suddenly open a window in the time/space contiuum and allow 2007 Ben to slip back to 1977 ?



I'm not buying that theory at all. Sawyer went back to a time when he was on the island when he saw Kate. Locke saw the light from the hatch and knew he would find himself there if he went that way. Doesn't add up.

The other theories I've heard seem better. That either Sun, Ben and Lapidus didn't flash because they weren't visited by Locke and asked to come. Or that Ben and Lapidus didn't because they weren't part of the original group, and Sun didn't because Locke promised Jin he wouldn't bring her back.
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Oh, I read that scene differently. I thought he went to Kate to find out what motivated them all to come back, in hopes of finding some explanation for why Sayid was acting so un-Sayid-like. And, Sawyer clearly had a couple of fine plans for protecting Sayid -- it's just that Sayid was being so completely un-Sayid-like.

It's possible. It just seemed like Jack was his preferred choice, based off how he gave that reluctant look before going over to their house, how he almost hesitated when Kate answered, and how he looked over her shoulder like he was looking to see if Jack was there. It seemed to me that he "settled" on asking Kate.



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