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So I'm watching the episode, and I'm becoming very sympathetic to Juliet, but then my Sayid Sense starts tingling. "Wait," I thought, "Sayid doesn't trust her, and he's never wrong. And Jack is an idiot. Should I be more suspicious?"

And then BAM, the ending confirmed my suspicions. I sincerely hope Jack is trying some long-con operation of his own, or else these characters are too stupid to live if they keep accepting this moron as their leader.

My only tiny bit of sympathy left for Juliet lies in the fact that she's totally being played herself. A nickel says Ben no more cured his sister's cancer than he did cure his own. Her sis already said the cancer was in remission....methinks Ben simply lied about its recurrance, and took credit for it later.

Herarat Airlines? Either a reference to...
a) 'Her A Rat,' as in Juliet is a rat
b) Mt. Ararat, the last known location of Noah's Ark. Perhaps another Biblical reference?
c) It's an anagram of Earhart, as in Amelia. A woman named Amelia was at Juliet's book club in the season premiere. You don't think....





I don't know what is more disquieting -- the fact that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it has four toes.
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I think Juliet is playing both sides right now to see how things shake out, a double swerve wouldn't surprise me.

Kate telling Sun about the 'complications' could tip the others off to another baby.

Other than Ben being the new Jim Jones, Juliet as loyal follower/believer in anything and Jack totally not thinking about anything again not an awful lot really happened this week.

I wasn't letdown, but I wasn't left with that same 'wow' factor that I had the last couple of weeks.

(edited by BigDaddyLoco on 12.4.07 0119)
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Can we proclaim Jack as the Sting of Lost yet?



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Yeah, I think a double swerve is coming, as well. The fact that we saw Juliet conspiring with Ben makes me think that the real "shock" will be when she turns against him in a few weeks.

Didja' catch the bit about the implant in Claire? Makes me think, even more, that the Electro-Fence triggered Mikhail's own implant.

Dumb speculation of the week: the smoke that surrounded the Oceanic plane in the flashback-- was it legitimate "plane is coming apart smoke", or was it the Smoky Monster? We seemed to find out that Smoky couldn't fly into the air, last week. But who knows. Maybe it could during the electromagnetic anomaly.

I also think Sayid spoke for the entire viewing public when he asked Juliet all of those questions. Like Sayid, we probably all want to kill her if we don't find out.



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    Dumb speculation of the week: the smoke that surrounded the Oceanic plane in the flashback-- was it legitimate "plane is coming apart smoke", or was it the Smoky Monster? We seemed to find out that Smoky couldn't fly into the air, last week. But who knows. Maybe it could during the electromagnetic anomaly.


There was a lot of speculation from online Lost fans that the Monster played a role in the crash, especially after a piece of footage was found that seems to show a dark object swooping towards the turbine just before it blows up in the Pilot episode. The producers later stated it was a CGI error. You can see the footage here (lostpedia.com)




I don't know what is more disquieting -- the fact that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it has four toes.
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I think the only time Juliet was honest was when she said that she was already "on her own". Jack is probably right when he said that she wanted off the island more than anything else in the world. But I think she could care less if anyone else gets off the island. She is looking out for #1. Anyway, regardless of how it turns out, everyone that doesn't trust her have already been validated. She has done nothing but lied since handcuffing herself to Kate, so even if she does ultimately help out Jack's gang, she has proven she is not worthy of trust.

I also agree that Ben played Juliet with the whole cancer bit. He didn't prove anything besides what Juliet already knew at the time she left, that the cancer was in remission. The fact that it apparently never occurred to Juliet that the whole cancer returning itself that might have been the actual lie, I guess, shows how good Ben is with the mind games.



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I don't see why Juliet would be so loyal and eager to help out Ben with his plan.

#1. She tried to get Jack to kill him.
#2. Ben had her branded like a farm animal.
#3. Ben kept her trapped on the island and refused to allow her to leavedespite her begging and pleading.

But I can see why Juliet might have a deep hatred of the Oceanic survivors and wants revenge on them since they killed her boyfriend, Goodwin.



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My personal policy is I hate anyone who wasn't on board Oceanic 815 and didn't crash on the beach. And man, do I hate Others. I especially hate Others who pretend they're no longer Others but were still working for the Others even if they have their own agenda.

This episode I began to get the sneaking suspicion that the stage is being set for Jack's exit from the show. I have no insider info; don't read message boards (besides this one) or anything. I just watch the show and draw my conclusions based on what I'm shown. This is just the impression I started to get.

Jack's credibility is going to be shot when Juliet is revealed, regardless of what she actually does. Jack stuck his neck way out for her and pulled the "my word should be enough. I'm Jack, your leader" card. Couple this with the seeds being planted for Sawyer to lead the island last week (why go through all that if Jack is just gonna resume his command immediately after?) and how even Kate will have a hard time standing by Jack when Juliet's jig is up. And how many more flashback stories/revelations does Jack have left? Only one by my count: learning Claire is his sister. I feel like Jack is on the way out.

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I think it's possible jack is brainwashed. His eyes were so weird last night.

I await seeing who the next Deadwood alumni will be on the show.



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I will give a MILF the benefit of the doubt, and say that she was given an ultimatum by Ben to be a mole in order to get off the island. Assuming there still is a way off. I think she will redeem herself and not turn on Jack. Her story is just too sympathetic for her to really be evil. If not, they really played us by making us feel sorry for her.

So, what the hell happened with Locke's dad???

And can someone refresh my memory of who Juliet's boyfriend was, and what happened to him? Did he infiltrate the Tailies?





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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
    Originally posted by kentish
    And can someone refresh my memory of who Juliet's boyfriend was, and what happened to him? Did he infiltrate the Tailies?

Yes. His name was Goodwin, he's the Other killed by Ana Lucia.

    Originally posted by BigDaddyLoco
    Other than Ben being the new Jim Jones, Juliet as loyal follower/believer in anything and Jack totally not thinking about anything again not an awful lot really happened this week.

I disagree. At one point I felt like I was going into information overload from all of the things they were revealing:

Mikhail is officially confirmed as an Other, so any doubters can shelf those doubts.

Speaking of Mikhail, that satellite room was amazing. We've been wondering for over two seasons how much contact with the outside world they have. Now we know. We also wondered how the heck they know so much about the LOSTies. Now we know Mikhail is to thank.

The Others must have some sort of way of reading people's minds if Juliet knew about Sawyer killing that guy before getting on the plane. There were no witnesses around! Maybe they use the Monster for that purpose? Same could be said about the secrets she knew about Sayid, although I suppose there are other ways of gaining that info since there WERE witnesses.

They did, in fact, plant something in Claire. I remember reading theories along this line way back during season 1.

It seems that the Others were trying to start a self-sustaining population with no intention of leaving the island. This is more of a theory than a big reveal, but it seems to me that if the Others weren't dead set on staying on the island, they wouldn't risk the lives of their women by having them get pregnant and (attempt to) give birth when it's clear that they're doomed to die. So, instead of sending the women away to give birth, they bring in Juliet the fertility expert to solve all their problems. Why don't the Others want to leave the island? Maybe they're all sick? There was a lot of talk about cancer last night. Are they all cancer patients?

They really, really got lucky that Jack ended up on the island since two of their doctors (their only two?) were killed by the crash survivors. Why on earth didn't Ben pick someone else to scout? That was pretty damned risky and it sure didn't pay off.

All in all, a pretty good episode!

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    Originally posted by kentish
    And can someone refresh my memory of who Juliet's boyfriend was, and what happened to him? Did he infiltrate the Tailies?


Yup. He was Goodwin. Ana Lucia eventually found out he was an infiltrator and ended up killing him (he was stabbed by a stick as they wrestled).

Goodwin also killed Nathan from Canada-- the shady Tailie who may or may not have been an Other.



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Maybe I missed something, but what the heck happened to Benard & Rose ?



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Both Ben & Alex were born on the island, so the "doomed pregnancies" situation wasn't always so. Perhaps something after Alex's birth caused things to go awry?



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Both Ben & Alex were born on the island, so the "doomed pregnancies" situation wasn't always so. Perhaps something after Alex's birth caused things to go awry?


Maybe the numbers play into it. We need to return to that mystery.



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    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
    Both Ben & Alex were born on the island, so the "doomed pregnancies" situation wasn't always so. Perhaps something after Alex's birth caused things to go awry?

Maybe it matters where the baby was conceived? We don't know for sure Ben is Alex's biological father, especially since Rousseau acted like she had never met Ben before when she turned him over to Jack and Locke and friends. Thus, Rousseau could have been pregnant with Alex when her ship crashed on the island. In fact, isn't Alex about 16 years old, which is the length of time Rousseau has been on the island?

The same goes for Ben. We know he was born on the island and has lived his entire life on the island, but we don't know if he was conceived on the island. As an aside, anybody else think "Adam and Eve" were Ben's parents?

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Both Ben & Alex were born on the island, so the "doomed pregnancies" situation wasn't always so. Perhaps something after Alex's birth caused things to go awry?

    Maybe it matters where the baby was conceived? We don't know for sure Ben is Alex's biological father, especially since Rousseau acted like she had never met Ben before when she turned him over to Jack and Locke and friends. Thus, Rousseau could have been pregnant with Alex when her ship crashed on the island. In fact, isn't Alex about 16 years old, which is the length of time Rousseau has been on the island?

    The same goes for Ben. We know he was born on the island and has lived his entire life on the island, but we don't know if he was conceived on the island. As an aside, anybody else think "Adam and Eve" were Ben's parents?

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I seem to remember that Alex was a 6 month old baby when Danielle's research team crashed on the island - I will now have to go back and check for myself.

Ben said he was born on the island but who can believe anything out of Ben's mouth ? There is no supporting evidence for that statement at all and the more Ben talks, the less I believe.

Loved the episode - Juliet has so many reasons to hate Ben & need Ben. I don't think for a minute that he "cured" her sister. I think that he just told her that she was dying as yet another way to hook Juliet in deeper & deeper.

Best line of the night belonged to Juliet as she sat on the beach with Hurley the Hutt - "I had the day off."

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According to Lostpedia.com, Danielle was 7 months pregnant with Alex when the French ship landed.




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    Both Ben & Alex were born on the island, so the "doomed pregnancies" situation wasn't always so. Perhaps something after Alex's birth caused things to go awry?


Juliet said something to Ben about how it was only a problem if the baby was conceived on the island, which is why Claire didn't die in season one before she birthed Aaron (this was also a big red flag that Claire's illness was staged).

This also adds a complication into Sun's pregnancy. If the baby is Jae Lee's, then there's no problem (other than the fact that Sun is having another man's child). If the baby is Jin's and was conceived on the island, Sun is in danger. It seems to me that Sun took the pregnancy test around Day 60 in island time, which seems to indicate that Lee is actually the father.




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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Juliet said something to Ben about how it was only a problem if the baby was conceived on the island, which is why Claire didn't die in season one before she birthed Aaron

I don't recall that claim. Juliet did say, however, that they gave Claire medicine, which is what kept her alive through her pregnancy/birth on the island.



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