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An interesting local story for those in Southern California.

California governor approves waiver allowing construction of 75,000-seat stadium to lure NFL team to Los Angeles


    INDUSTRY, Calif. -- Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Thursday he had signed a bill allowing the construction of a 75,000-seat stadium that developers hope will lure an NFL team back to the Los Angeles area.

    Schwarzenegger said he signed the environmental exemption bill last week but saved the announcement for a press conference in Industry, where the stadium would be built about 15 miles east of Los Angeles.

    The bill would nullify a lawsuit filed by residents in nearby Walnut over the project's environmental impact.

    Schwarzenegger called the lawsuit frivolous as he addressed a crowd of union members wearing hardhats. Across the street, a dozen protesters held signs saying "No Stadium."

    "This is the best kind of action state government can create -- action that cuts red tape, generates jobs, is environmentally friendly and brings a continued economic boost to California," Schwarzenegger said.

    Majestic Realty Co. is heading the stadium project after helping develop Staples Center, the downtown Los Angeles home of the NBA's Lakers and Clippers and the NHL's Kings.

    Majestic has targeted seven teams as candidates to move to the Los Angeles area: the Buffalo Bills, Jacksonville Jaguars, Minnesota Vikings, St. Louis Rams, San Diego Chargers, Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49ers.

    The firm has said the teams are in stadiums that are either too small or can't be updated with luxury box seats or other revenue sources an NFL club needs to thrive.


I live about five minutes away from the City of Industry and I can tell you that fears of intense traffic are perfectly reasonable. That area's already iffy in terms of traffic anyway, but adding a giant stadium will make it that much worse without some sort of freeway expansion. Of course, a freeway expansion project would also create a lot of new jobs, so I can't be too opposed.

As far as bringing an NFL team over, I don't know if that would happen right away. Bill Simmons made a great point on his podcast several weeks ago, noting that L.A. doesn't necessarily need a team right away, but a kickass stadium could potentially host the Super Bowl and host other major concert venues. The team will come, but hopefully it's an expansion and not someone else's team. I'd hate to steal someone else's team from them and don't want a Seattle Supersonics situation.

I am curious about one thing in this article. Why on earth would the Oakland Raiders be on the short list of candidates, considering how badly Al Davis burned Los Angeles the last time he was here?

I personally think we end up with either the Jacksonville Jaguars (apathetic fanbase) or the Buffalo Bills (already halfway out the door with a bunch of their "home" game being played in Toronto).

(edited by It's False on 22.10.09 1304)



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My money is on the Jags. They have blackouts, they block off alot of the stadium and they still don't come close to selling out and I honestly don't think the majority of their local "fan base" would notice if they did move.

If I were a Minnesota native, I'd be pissed if the Vikings moved. First they lose the Lakers to LA, then their other Purple and Gold team?



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I can't see the Vikings leaving since they are a large part of the NFL. They also don't have blackouts or attendence problems even in slow years. Jacksonville is going to draft Jesus Teabow in the first round, so tickets will go up that season, but after that I don't know. I wouldn't be shocked if the Chargers left considering they are having problems with attendance. Rivers and Company would make for an easy sell. My problem with LA having a team is that its been done multiple times and fails each time, because LA fans carry about USC and the Lakers thats it. I am still shocked the Kings play hockey there. It is a terrible pro-football town.
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Yeah, I was totally against a team in LA until listening to Simmons' podcast. His guest made the argument that being put on the short list for Super Bowls (along with Tampa, New Orleans, and Miami) is probably worthwhile financially.

I could definitely see Jacksonville, or Buffalo or Oakland after their owners pass away. Ralph Wilson has already said that his family would be unable to afford the $270 million estate tax they would owe the government after he dies. Wilson is 91, Al Davis is 80. I have no idea what happens with the Raiders post-Al Davis.

He (and by he I mean the guy on Simmons' podcast again) also made the argument that traffic wouldn't really be an issue, because you're talking 8 Sundays a year (when you don't really have commuter traffic), as opposed to 81 days between July and October, like baseball has.

EDIT: Vikings don't have problems with blackouts?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601079&refer=&sid=afFhoBbnGc5s
They very nearly had a blackout in a playoff game last year.

(edited by Mr. Boffo on 22.10.09 1549)
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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    I have no idea what happens with the Raiders post-Al Davis.


We've been finding out for years now! /lame Simmons-esque joke.. and I do like Billy)

I don't see how LA can get an expansion team since there's a perfect symmetry of teams now, 8 divisions of 4 teams. Would be stupid to have 7 divisions of 4 teams and one of 5.

Al Davis dies, Oakland moves to LA, Jacksonville moves to Las Vegas or San Antonio. Problem solved.

(edited by Psycho Penguin on 22.10.09 1647)


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    Originally posted by lotjx
    My problem with LA having a team is that its been done multiple times and fails each time, because LA fans carry about USC and the Lakers thats it.


That's pretty much what I bring up every time there is "But they're the 2nd biggest media market in the country!" argument.

They had the Cleveland Rams move in '46 and lost them to St. Louis in '95.

They had the Chargers in their first year in '60 and then lost them to San Diego.

And they had the Raiders from '82 to '94.

I think the Jags, or Raiders (and Bills, I forgot about them) would be their last chance at a team before the league just gives up on them completely. They've already had 3 chances and struck out.

If it weren't for Irsay-Rosenbloom trade in '71, we could have the Baltimore Colts and Indianapolis Rams today, with Modell moving his (not) Browns to LA back in the 90s.


    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    Jacksonville moves to Las Vegas


As long as gambling is allowed on NFL games, the league will NEVER allow a move to Vegas.

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As a season ticket holder for the Jags since day one, I can assure you this is the first time we've had these sort of problems selling out games. I wouldn't say there haven't been games blacked out here or there, but never on this level. Wayne Weaver has gone on record as saying he has no plans on moving the team, of course he could just be saying one thing and doing another but he's never sold us a line of crap that big before so why now?

I don't know exactly when LA is hoping to have the team up and running, but I know we're locked up here for at least a few more years anyway so I can assure you it could be the Raiders, Bills or Rams before the Jags.

I also wouldn't hold out hope for the Jags taking Tebow in the draft, either. While there are tons of Gators fans who would love that I could see a large majority of the fan base turning on that one. Of course I think Tebow is a giant douche-taco so I may be biased on that one.



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    Originally posted by Zeruel
    They had the Cleveland Rams move in '46 and lost them to St. Louis in '95.


That move was all orchestrated by Georgia Frontiere. She demanded a new stadium in either L.A. or Anaheim (the Rams played at Anaheim Stadium at the time). Anaheim Stadium was perfectly fine, so the local sports media was resigned to the fact that this was a power play by her as a way of moving the team. And the fact that Anaheim agreed to remodel the stadium in 1996...

There's a pretty huge Raider following in L.A., so, as much as I'd hate to admit it, they'd be welcome back with open arms if they decided to relocate. I'd just hate to be the Chargers and/or Oakland if that happened.




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I don't see why SD would be affected if Oakland moved to LA. LA and San Diego can't be as close as Oakland and SF are, and I never hear that the Raiders are affecting SF's attendance.



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    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo


    I could definitely see Jacksonville, or Buffalo or Oakland after their owners pass away. Ralph Wilson has already said that his family would be unable to afford the $270 million estate tax they would owe the government after he dies. Wilson is 91, Al Davis is 80. I have no idea what happens with the Raiders post-Al Davis.



Buffalo is a prime candidate once Wilson goes, but I seriously think that's what the Toronto experiment has been about. I really think that once Wilson dies, the Bills will play one or 2 more seasons in Buffalo, and during that time, the NFL is going to work some sort of deal with the CFL to allow the Bills to go to Toronto. I think that what would really bother Wilson and/or his descendants the most may not be so much that the team will have to move, but that they're gonna go cross-country to LA. Toronto would still allow the Bills die-hards to keep in touch with the team.



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Don't count out the Chargers in this LA thing. They have been trying and trying to get a stadium built in San Diego County, but no one can or wants to "give" the Chargers the land to do it.

The City has bungled the situation so bad that the Chargers won't even talk to them anymore. Chula Vista was always a pipe dream, and this new idea in Escondido has more hurdles to clear than Edwin Moses.

Ah-nuld said he hopes the City of Industry doesn't poach one of the CA teams. If the City of San Diego were smart, they would be asking for the same treatment. It automatically would put the Qualcomm site back in play and hopefully keep the Bolts where they belong.



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    Originally posted by kwik
    Buffalo is a prime candidate once Wilson goes, but I seriously think that's what the Toronto experiment has been about. I really think that once Wilson dies, the Bills will play one or 2 more seasons in Buffalo, and during that time, the NFL is going to work some sort of deal with the CFL to allow the Bills to go to Toronto. I think that what would really bother Wilson and/or his descendants the most may not be so much that the team will have to move, but that they're gonna go cross-country to LA. Toronto would still allow the Bills die-hards to keep in touch with the team.


As a Toronto resident, let me assure you that there is exactly zero passion about the city having its own NFL team. There are tons of football fans in the city, no question, but we're all just content to follow our favourite teams on TV every weekend. Toronto can't even sell out the Bills' one game per year, good luck selling out eight of them.



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    Originally posted by Psycho Penguin
    I don't see why SD would be affected if Oakland moved to LA. LA and San Diego can't be as close as Oakland and SF are, and I never hear that the Raiders are affecting SF's attendance.


Chargers had problems with Raiders fans showing up en masse when the Raiders played at Qualcomm as recently as a few years ago - and the Raiders aren't even a local franchise. Plus, I think the Oakland/SF rivalry runs a bit deeper than sports and the fan bases are far more loyal to their respective home teams that they are less willing to venture to the other city for a game at the opposing team's field.



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The Raiders fans in LA that would do this are already Raiders fans, and are already doing it.




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The Raiders moving back to LA would just expand the LA Raiders fanbase. A different franchise would be more likely to diffuse that fanbase over time.



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