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http://sports.espn.go.com/​​ncf/​​news/​​story?​​id=4807719


    Jim Leavitt has been fired as South Florida coach, a source close to the coaching staff tells ESPN.com's Ivan Maisel.

    Leavitt has been under investigation by the university for allegedly grabbing and striking a player at halftime of a November game.

    South Florida's findings of its investigation will be released later Friday, AOL Fanhouse reports.


This whole situation is bullshit. The only people who publicly have said Jim Leavitt hit Joel Miller (the player he was accused of choking and slapping during halftime of a game in November) were ALL second-hand accounts. One was a player who Leavitt just kicked off the team - maybe he has an axe to grind? Just maybe? Another is Miller's former high school coach, a guy who historically hasn't gotten along with Leavitt. While Miller himself says nothing improper happened, as do the few other players who were actually in the locker room who have spoken publicly about the situation.

This firing is the result of a backstage political power play from some donors who saw this as an opportunity to get rid of a coach they haven't gotten along with since day one. There are a million reasons why USF hasn't won its conference yet, but the most relevant to this is the fact that they don't have the money to spend on coaches that other schools do. Leavitt was making decent money, but all of his assistants combined were making less than $500,000 per year. You're just not going win a BCS conference with the kinds of guys they filled their staff with.

Who does USF hire now? I have no idea. But I'm much less optimistic about the next couple of years. I bet several key players leave the team over this, which really sucks. But it doesn't suck as hard as the mistreatment and firing of Leavitt. I think I'm going to go throw up now.

Well now at that same link:


    Florida defensive line coach Dan McCarney, former Auburn coach Tommy Tuberville, who has strong ties in the state of Florida from his tenure on Miami's coaching staff, and Michigan offensive coordinator Calvin Magee are expected to be candidates to replace Leavitt, a source told ESPN.com's Ivan Maisel.


Tuberville would be an awful hire. The guy was good at Auburn, but he's so old. I don't think he's a promising prospect. Calvin Magee I don't know much about. Dan McCarney worked at USF for one year as defensive line coach before going to Gainesville, which is why his name popped up, I assume. That year (2007) was the year George Selvie exploded, with 14.5 sacks and 31 tackles for loss, and Selvie wasn't the same in the two years since. So maybe McCarney is a good coach waiting for that opportunity, who knows.

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They haven't released the findings yet so how do you know they didn't find anything? And obviously it won't matter who they hire since they need to pay their coaches the big bucks (thats why Wake Forest has won a BCS conference title, ya know)



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I would expect them to go after Tubberville and Bowden, just like Texas Tech did. Is that what you're hearing?
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Leavitt was making decent money, but all of his assistants combined were making less than $500,000 per year.

Wow, that is REALLY low. Do you think that's because the rest of the coaching staff doesn't have the experience or the bargaining power to command higher salaries or do you think it's strictly a budget constraint?

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    I would expect them to go after Tubberville and Bowden, just like Texas Tech did. Is that what you're hearing?


I would be stunned if USF had enough money to make it worth Tuberville's while. Maybe I'm overestimating how much he'll demand.

I haven't heard anything about who they go after next though.

    Originally posted by StingArmy
    Wow, that is REALLY low. Do you think that's because the rest of the coaching staff doesn't have the experience or the bargaining power to command higher salaries or do you think it's strictly a budget constraint?


The athletic department just doesn't have the money to pay anymore than that. Or they just don't want to, I don't know. But you're right that it's very small. With Leavitt and the assistants combined, the total coaching staff salary came out to about $2 million for this season, maybe a bit more. I don't remember how much Leavitt made this year. But there are individual coordinators who make close to that much per year, and head coaches who make significantly more. It's possible to win on that kind of budget in the short-term, perhaps, with some good hires. But no assistant coach worth anything is going to hang around for $75,000 a year for very long.

EDIT: I went back and did the math, and I think the assistant coaches' salary pool is actually closer to $600,000. Still really low, though.

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USF's big issue is they play in South Florida and everyone else in the conference plays in the Northeast. So they do good early on and then when it comes time for conference play, they have to travel north to Connecticut/Rutgers/Pittsburgh/Cincinnati/West Virginia at least twice a year and they fall apart and lose momentum.



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http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/01/08/south-florida-cuts-ties-with-coach-jim-leavitt/

Looks like there were other players who saw the incident and confirmed it was what the kid said. Not good for Leavitt's future.
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And also looks like some really dumb people put up the report with blacked out names that you can just copy and paste to see who they were.

http://www.faniq.com/article/Jim-Leavitt-report-here-are-all-the-names-of-players-involved-1954812

Tuberville took the Tech job so we'll see who USF has left.

Can I also just say how sick it makes me that with no real head coach, UF just put together one of the sickest recruiting classes I've ever seen today? Ugh.
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Now, I know Tuberville ran a version of the spread in his awful last season at Auburn, but isn't his style of football completely opposite of the type of players that Texas Tech has? Power running and defense versus chuck the ball around and outscore the opponent. Don't see how this combination isn't a disaster.
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Yeah it'll be a big style change, but I guess they figure to compete with the other in state schools in getting recruits they needed a big name, and this sorta fits that.

Seems that Tommy Bowden to USF is the current rumor making rounds. Not a terrible hire, he can recruit the area from experience and name alone.
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The name I keep hearing from the people I know in USF's athletic department suggest Tampa Bay Buccaneers special teams coach Rich Bissacia is the favorite among some. If I had to bet money on a hire right now, it would be him or Dan McCarney from UF.

Having read the report, I think firing Leavitt was unfortunately probably the right thing to do, but there was so much political bullshit involved that I'm still not even certain I trust the report. Anyway, my biggest problem with the whole mess now is this: The investigation into the incident got under way more than two weeks before USF's Jan. 2 bowl game, and concluded just three or four days after the bowl game; so if they had evidence that suggested Leavitt needed to be fired, surely they at the very least had a strong suspicion prior to the bowl game... so why on Earth was Leavitt allowed to coach in the bowl game? The way the university handled this was so unprofessional, and if nothing else it caused the problem to be a more serious recruiting setback than it would have been had they simply suspended Leavitt for the bowl game until the investigation was complete. That's the primary reason I believe all the stupid political behind the scenes crap I've heard about played a significant role in this. But oh well, it's done now.

It's hard for me to really get excited about the coaching hire, though, because no matter who they get the person won't be as passionate about the job and university as Leavitt was. A big part of the reason I got into USF football was because I liked Leavitt and his personality, and now that's unpleasant to think about.

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I know nobody really cares about this aside from me, but here I am ... for posterity, maybe? Yeah. Anyway, Leavitt has hired an attorney and will possibly be suing the university over his firing:


    Former USF coach Jim Leavitt, fired on Friday after a university investigation found that he grabbed a walk-on running back by the throat and slapped him twice in the face during halftime of a game in November, has retained an attorney and will hold a news conference at noon in Palm Harbor.

    A statement released on Leavitt's behalf by the law firm of Florin Roebig says that Leavitt's termination was "unwarranted" and that he "deserves to be immediately reinstated in full to his former position."

    These are Leavitt's first public statements since brief comments Friday morning, when he said he was "very disappointed" and would "respond in time." The attorney's statement says that the firing was "contrary to the terms of his contract and in violation of his constitutional rights."

    ...

    USF determined Leavitt's firing to be "with cause," which means under the terms of his seven-year, $12.6-million contract, he would only be paid one month's base pay, which is $66,667. Had he been fired "without cause," he would be entitled to 75 percent of his remaining contract, which is $7.1-million.



Asking for his job back is stupid, not that he's the first fired coach to do it. Even in the event he somehow convinced a court to order such a thing, how could a situation in which the coach is there via court order possibly work out? It would be unpleasant for everyone. Realistically, I'm guessing the best he's actually hoping for is some of the money he was owed on his contract.

Joel Miller, the player in question, has also hired a high-profile Tampa attorney, though it's not really clear what he's hoping to achieve by doing so. He denied being hit, so unless he's going to claim intimidation by Leavitt or something I'm not sure what his angle is.

This whole situation has gotten pretty ugly (uglier).
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I care, but more so where USF goes from here than what happens to Leavitt. It would seem pretty clear from the official report that he did wrong, so I would think he has no case, except if they did a really poor job writing his contract.

This has to be for money because it's just going to make him look worse by dragging it out, having the details rehashed again and again. He won't be getting any other job until this is settled.

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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    I care, but more so where USF goes from here than what happens to Leavitt. It would seem pretty clear from the official report that he did wrong, so I would think he has no case, except if they did a really poor job writing his contract.

    This has to be for money because it's just going to make him look worse by dragging it out, having the details rehashed again and again. He won't be getting any other job until this is settled.









When the money is a $7 million dollar difference and he's probably toxic in the college ranks for a few years off of what he's been fired for, it is worth having the stuff dragged out.
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    Originally posted by wmatistic
    I care, but more so where USF goes from here than what happens to Leavitt. It would seem pretty clear from the official report that he did wrong, so I would think he has no case, except if they did a really poor job writing his contract.

    This has to be for money because it's just going to make him look worse by dragging it out, having the details rehashed again and again. He won't be getting any other job until this is settled.




Well, with signing day rapidly approaching USF obviously needs to get a new coach in place right away. And all the assistants have been told they will have to interview for their jobs when a new coach is hired. So I'm sure USF's recruiting class, which was shaping up to be their best ever, is going to fall to pieces. Their top commit has opened up his recruiting, two other top guys have decided to take the rest of their official visits and I have a hard time imagining the team will land the two or three other big names they were in the running for unless a new coach gets hired very quickly and gets off and running immediately. And Leavitt's lawsuit is only going to make that harder, I think.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by wmatistic
      I care, but more so where USF goes from here than what happens to Leavitt. It would seem pretty clear from the official report that he did wrong, so I would think he has no case, except if they did a really poor job writing his contract.

      This has to be for money because it's just going to make him look worse by dragging it out, having the details rehashed again and again. He won't be getting any other job until this is settled.




    Well, with signing day rapidly approaching USF obviously needs to get a new coach in place right away. And all the assistants have been told they will have to interview for their jobs when a new coach is hired. So I'm sure USF's recruiting class, which was shaping up to be their best ever, is going to fall to pieces. Their top commit has opened up his recruiting, two other top guys have decided to take the rest of their official visits and I have a hard time imagining the team will land the two or three other big names they were in the running for unless a new coach gets hired very quickly and gets off and running immediately. And Leavitt's lawsuit is only going to make that harder, I think.


Yeah I've seen that Terrence Mitchell and at least one other guy USF and FSU are both after that they have pretty much eliminated USF over this.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    Asking for his job back is stupid, not that he's the first fired coach to do it. Even in the event he somehow convinced a court to order such a thing, how could a situation in which the coach is there via court order possibly work out? It would be unpleasant for everyone. Realistically, I'm guessing the best he's actually hoping for is some of the money he was owed on his contract.

If I'm remembering the applicable laws correctly, you can never (or almost never) sue to force someone to physically perform what was agreed in a contract. When personal services are involved, and coaching is certainly a personal service, the most you can hope for is for money to be exchanged. Anything else would be like you said: unpleasant for everyone. If it was the other way around and a university was suing a coach to force him to do his job, that would DEFINITELY not fly. That'd border on involuntary servitude/slavery.

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    Originally posted by StingArmy
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Asking for his job back is stupid, not that he's the first fired coach to do it. Even in the event he somehow convinced a court to order such a thing, how could a situation in which the coach is there via court order possibly work out? It would be unpleasant for everyone. Realistically, I'm guessing the best he's actually hoping for is some of the money he was owed on his contract.

    If I'm remembering the applicable laws correctly, you can never (or almost never) sue to force someone to physically perform what was agreed in a contract. When personal services are involved, and coaching is certainly a personal service, the most you can hope for is for money to be exchanged. Anything else would be like you said: unpleasant for everyone. If it was the other way around and a university was suing a coach to force him to do his job, that would DEFINITELY not fly. That'd border on involuntary servitude/slavery.

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Yes, you must be right. Taking such a court ruling to its logical end, even if the school WAS forced to take him back, the university would still have the option of firing him but paying him whatever the buyout stipulated in his contract his.
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    The name I keep hearing from the people I know in USF's athletic department suggest Tampa Bay Buccaneers special teams coach Rich Bissacia is the favorite among some. If I had to bet money on a hire right now, it would be him or Dan McCarney from UF.


USF's next coach will almost certainly be Skip Holtz, son of Lou and head coach at East Carolina. It might be a few days before it is announced, but I'm told the school and the coach are meeting while Holtz is in Orlando for the coaches' association annual meeting this week, and things are progressing quickly.

And sure enough, here's the St. Pete Times reporting the same. Still no details really. Note the timestamp, though, this is a the-w.com scoop.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 12.1.10 0023)
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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      Originally posted by TheBucsFan
      The name I keep hearing from the people I know in USF's athletic department suggest Tampa Bay Buccaneers special teams coach Rich Bissacia is the favorite among some. If I had to bet money on a hire right now, it would be him or Dan McCarney from UF.


    USF's next coach will almost certainly be Skip Holtz, son of Lou and head coach at East Carolina. It might be a few days before it is announced, but I'm told the school and the coach are meeting while Holtz is in Orlando for the coaches' association annual meeting this week, and things are progressing quickly.

    And sure enough, here's the St. Pete Times reporting the same. Still no details really. Note the timestamp, though, this is a the-w.com scoop.

    (edited by TheBucsFan on 12.1.10 0023)


Hmm, maybe an OK hire, not really sure. The defense was the key to their teams, but was that Holtz or Hudson responsible for it? Hopefully ECU leaves Hudson alone as he was such a steal for FSU to bring in as a friggen LB coach.
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