I thought nothing of the fact that Boise State could still crack the top 6 until I read this little nugget on ESPN...
Originally posted by Brad Edwards on ESPN.comThe simple solution to this new crisis for Cal would seem to be a loss by Texas against Texas A&M. But even that could open the door for an entirely new disaster scenario. The rule that would allow either Cal or Texas to get a BCS at-large spot by being ranked in the top four is contingent upon a spot still being available after a previous rule is applied. That previous rule is the one that allows any team not from a BCS conference to get an at-large bid by being ranked in the final top 6. But it does not restrict the number of teams that can qualify that way.
A loss by Texas would likely move Utah up to No. 5 in the BCS Standings and open the door for either Boise State or Louisville to possibly jump into the No. 6 position. Right now, those teams are very close with Georgia and Miami for the No. 7 spot in the standings. If Utah is ranked fifth in the BCS and either Boise State or Louisville is sixth at the end of the year, then those two teams would get the BCS at-large bids, and Cal -- even if ranked No. 4 -- would be left out of the Bowl Championship Series.
In addition to being a raw deal for the Bears, this would also put the Rose Bowl in the very difficult position of having to choose an opponent for Michigan from among the ACC champion (likely Virginia Tech or Miami), the Big East champion (likely Boston College) and the two non-BCS schools. The Rose Bowl has already taken it on the chin a few times from the BCS, but that would be by far the worst misfortune yet.
I can imagine the bowl execs now, trying to ferret out BC, Virginia Tech, Boise, Utah, Auburn, and Michigan to the other three bowl games.
The Current Standings 1 USC .9789 2 Oklahoma .9642 3 Auburn 9356 4 California .8504 5 Texas .8301 6 Utah .8172 7 Boise State .6359 8 Georgia .6296 9 Miami .6256 10 Louisville .6123
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I saw this on ESPN myself, and I was stunned that even if they win, Cal could possibly lose out on a BCS bowl to Boise State because Texas lost. That really sucks. And it also sucks that we could see say, the Orange Bowl with Boise State and the Sugar Bowl with Utah, two games that I don't think would draw much interest outside of the mountain west region. And really, all that has to happen is Texas losing to Texas A&M which isn't very farfetched at all.
Just one more reason to get rid of the stinking BCS....
Last year I came up with a playoff system. I've been tweaking the idea, not that it would actually happen.
24 team playoff, with a NFL style seeding.
1) Top eight in the BCS get a 1st round bye.
2) Seeds 9 to X are the conference champions not in the top eight of the BCS. Conference co-champions are included.
3) X to 24 are seeded according to the BCS. Start with the #9 BCS team and include any 9+ win team not already included. Conferences can only have a max of four teams seeded.
1st round #9 plays #24 #10 plays #23 ... #16 plays #17
2nd round; If they wanted to make the BCS bowls happy, have the four bowls pick the bracket to play at their bowl. Orange would go first, Rose second, Fiesta third, Sugar last Lowest seed plays #1 Highest seed plays #8 ...
2nd lowest plays #2 2nd highest plays #7
Quarters Winners of the Low-1 vs high-8, and so on. Standard bracket To make the BCS bowls happy, maybe have all four games played at the four BCS bowl sites. Follow as above
Semis; Could do as above and have them played at the Orange and Rose bowls
Final; played at the Orange bowl
Orange would have 4 games. Rose would have 3 games. Fiesta and Sugar would have 2 games.
Passed over: Florida 8-4 BCS #15; not enough wins Oklahoma State 9-3 BCS #21; too many Big XII teams
I am in the process of simulating them in NCAA 2004 when I have the chance. ESPN did that last year and it was pretty intersting to see the bracket in their eight team bowl setup. I'll at least setup the bracket for this year after the last BCS standings.
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As the son of a Cal Alum, I would hate to see the Bears get jobbed but as a college football fan, I would love to see the Boise State Broncos make it to a BCS game. I am so sick of the same old matchups we see every year. It would also help to hasten a playoff system.
So if/when the Aggies beat the Longhorns what possible combos does that leave us ? I see the games like this -
Orange - USC vs Oklahoma Sugar - Auburn vs Miami (yawn) Rose - Michigan vs Utah (SoCal Bar owners kill themselves) Fiesta - Boise State vs Boston College
Leaves Cal vs Texas as a possible Cotton Bowl game
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If Auburn were to lose to Tennessee in the SEC championship, would that cause them to fall below sixth in the BCS standings? My guess is that it would depend on how far the poll voters dropped them. If so, that also might catapult Boise State into sixth in the BCS standings. I haven't heard anyone mention it, so maybe Auburn would stay in the top six whether they win or lose.
I'd be surprised if another "tiny" team gets in the BCS, in all honesty. I think that if a team like Texas lost, they'd drop in the polls, but not enough to allow a team like Boise St. the (pretty big) jump they'd need to clear a potential difference of about .2 points. (Think of it along the lines of Utah all of a sudden jumping to the #1 team in the BCS. That's the kind of point jump we're looking at.)
If Auburn loses... well, they'd drop out of the top 4, which is what matters for them. Top six is only for the smaller conferences. (I think.)
Texas loses, knocks Cal out, Utah in Rose Bowl vs. Michigan, Boise State vs. Big East champ in Fiesta. Since I have no faith in Mack Brown, very possible.
Cal loses to Southern Miss., Texas moves up, but Boise State ends up in Top 6. See above scenario.
Now, the really sick, twisted, hilarious if you don't have a team in the national title hunt scenario:
Michigan has clinched the Big Ten Title and a BCS spot, USC the Pac 10 and a BCS spot. USC loses to Notre Dame AND UCLA. They drop out of the Top 6, but end up in the BCS in the Rose vs. Michigan, thus the anal retentive twats in the Tournament of Roses Parade end up happy. Virginia Tech beat Miami, gets the ACC Title. BC loses to Syracuse, W. Virginia loses to Pitt., Pitt wins the Big East. Cal beats Southern Miss. Texas beats Texas A@M. Iowa State/Colorado beats Oklahoma, wins the Big 12 Title. Tennessee knocks off Auburn, wins the SEC Title. Utah finishes in the Top 6. Boise State beats Nevada and finishes in the Top 6. And, just to cover myself, Georgia Tech beats Georgia.
That would make the BCS Bowls:
Rose: USC vs. Michigan Fiesta: Pitt. vs. Colorado/Iowa State Sugar: Tennessee vs. Virginia Tech Now, if this breaks this way, Cal and Texas would be #1 and #2 in the BCS rankings. However, since Boise and Utah would be in the Top 6, NEITHER would be able to play in the National Title Game. Thus, in the USA Today Coaches Poll Orange Bowl National Title Game: #3 in the BCS Utah vs. #4 or 5 or 6 in the BCS but the highest remaining seed Boise State. The winner would be guaranteed by rule half the national title. In the meantime, #1 Cal and #2 Texas would play for the AP and real national title in the Holiday Bowl. Except for the longshot of USC losing twice, the other possibilities could realistically hit. The chaos would be wonderful.
(edited by redsoxnation on 23.11.04 1811) Still waiting patiently for Game 8 of the Red Sox/Yankee series.
The sad part in redsoxnation's scenerio is that I can see either Auburn or Oklahomo losing their title games. You have to remember title games have screwed over a ton of undeafeted teams or teams looking for a championship game. I am still calling ND over USC this week. I know ND got blown by Pitt's recievers, but something tells me they are going to motivation in an avenging their senior game lose on the one team that has killed them in the Ty era.
If Pitt wins the Big East, it will be due to the officals. I can't tell you how pissed at I was during that Pitt/ND game on the phantom pass interference calls espically when ND stopped them on 4th down or intercepted the ball. Its bad when the announcers are questioning the refrees calls. Pitt has no chance against WVU and Boston College should win out even though the Big East is a ratings loser. Trust, me the inevitable FSU/ND game will get a better rating on Dec. 29th than Boise State vs. Big East champ.
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WOW, I might jump for joy if RSN's little fantasy booking scenario comes to fruition. That would really be a great Screw You, BCS moment. But I'm not sure that USC HAS to lose both games. I think if they lose one, they are in the Rose Bowl. If Auburn loses big in the SEC title game they very well could be out of the Top 6.
And yeah it can happen, though it's probably unlikely everything breaks just right.
Originally posted by BigSteveWOW, I might jump for joy if RSN's little fantasy booking scenario comes to fruition. That would really be a great Screw You, BCS moment. But I'm not sure that USC HAS to lose both games. I think if they lose one, they are in the Rose Bowl. If Auburn loses big in the SEC title game they very well could be out of the Top 6.
And yeah it can happen, though it's probably unlikely everything breaks just right.
(edited by BigSteve on 23.11.04 1929)
The reason I have USC having to lose twice is because with 1 loss, they still end up in the National Title game against Utah, should Boise somehow jump a team that only loses once, and two losses would ensure that someone drops out of the Top 6 to let Boise in the scenario. If Boise doesn't crack the Top 6, that means Cal plays in the Orange Bowl, probably against a 1 loss USC team, and the only people who end up upset are Texas (who might be #2 and stuck in the Holiday Bowl) and the sanctimonious Tournament of Roses Parade who get Utah vs. Michigan. And, to be honest, Boise State vs. Utah in prime time in front of 43 people at Joe Robbie Stadium is the best scenario for a BCS hater/playoff proponent.
(edited by redsoxnation on 23.11.04 2050) Still waiting patiently for Game 8 of the Red Sox/Yankee series.
Rule 1. Any at-large team in the top 2 MUST play in the championship game. So Cal #1 and Texas #2 means they play in the Orange Bowl. End of story. Rule 2 is the rule about non-BCS conference teams being in the top 6.
In terms of tie-breakers for at-large teams, the rules go down. In other words, first they see if anyone qualifies under rule 1. Then, they see if anyone qualifies under rule 2, and then rule 3, and so on.
I'd like it, because the BCS is crap, but it's just not possible.
Edit: Also interesting to note that of the teams in the Top 12, Georgia, Miami, and Louisville are not yet eligible for at large bids, because they don't have the requisite 9 wins. They all have 8 wins with at least one game remaining, and if they lost they'd probably fall out of the top 12 anyway, but it is something to consider.
(edited by Mr. Boffo on 23.11.04 1948) NOTE: The above post makes no sense. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Big time. I've been impatiently waiting for the Mustangs to return to Milwaukee, and have gone to a couple of Rush games in Chicago. This will be my second year as a season ticket holder to the af2's Green Bay Blizzard.