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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by desperate_living
    Well, I knew they'd go back to pushing Bradshaw. Remember 2 years ago they pushed him hard, teaming him with Kane, mixing it up with Kevin Nash. He was actually one of the top faces for that month, and they even had him cleanly pin Big Show on a UK tour. He has potential, he has the personality and look. I think he just needs the right storyline to get him to the top, and I guess this could be it.

Also, if you remember, the crowd shit all over "Bradshaw: Main Eventer". Not even an association w/ Austin was able to get the fans to buy into it. Booker is the better choice, but hopefully this is just one of those "SD doesn't have a PPV this month, so we'll do a throw-away program until we push a real contender" type deals. Heel Bradshaw would be much better suited for jobbing to Cena in a US Title program.

I like Rico, but Rico over Knoble? Granted, it's a dark match, but that's an odd choice.

Anyway, looks like an "establish the Raw guys" night for SD. They should really start trying to turn the Dudz heel, since Rikishi/S2H need someone to feud with for the tag belts.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
Here's how things are going to shake down between here and Judgement Day, I'd wager:

-Eddie beats Bradshaw clean in a quicky WWE Title feud to kill a few weeks.
-Booker gets built-up as a credible heel challenger with some decent victories-maybe they can keep Show around for another coupla weeks, have him take exception to Booker's "second-rate show" comments and turn him face for a few shows. Booker beats him and puts him out, and he can easily come back as a heel once his shelf-time is over.
-RVD can be pushed into a face vs. face US Title feud, whilst Renee Dupree could be kept hot with a short-term rivalry with Rey Rey.
-Bradshaw can move into being 'Taker's designated whipping-boy for JD.

I'm liking these moves so far.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.62
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Here's how things are going to shake down between here and Judgement Day, I'd wager:

    -Eddie beats Bradshaw clean in a quicky WWE Title feud to kill a few weeks.
    -Booker gets built-up as a credible heel challenger with some decent victories-maybe they can keep Show around for another coupla weeks, have him take exception to Booker's "second-rate show" comments and turn him face for a few shows. Booker beats him and puts him out, and he can easily come back as a heel once his shelf-time is over.
    -RVD can be pushed into a face vs. face US Title feud, whilst Renee Dupree could be kept hot with a short-term rivalry with Rey Rey.
    -Bradshaw can move into being 'Taker's designated whipping-boy for JD.

    I'm liking these moves so far.


Sounds good to me, and except for the RVD-Cena feud, I could see all of that happening.

I'm just baffled why Bradshaw is getting the post-draft push YET AGAIN. Didn't they realize how badly the last one turned out? Oh, well, let's wait and see how this plays out on TV.



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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.68
Seriously what's wrong with Bradshaw? I mean not top main event status at the moment and it seems Vince is pulling the old shit on the ex-tag partner card. "It could have been you Faarooq!?"
Plus we have No Kevin Nash (Not good - but definitely main event status), No Goldberg, No Lesnar, No Angle (I think we can safely say he's out for a while), No Austin, No Rock, No Hogan. WWE has gone down hill in the last 12 months. We need some new main event talent so I would expect Vince to put a bit of confidence in his veterans such as Bradshaw, Hardcore Holly, Undertaker, Kane and Shawn Michaels to keep the show running.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.57
    Originally posted by CANADIAN BULLDOG
      Originally posted by oldschoolhero
      Here's how things are going to shake down between here and Judgement Day, I'd wager:

      -Eddie beats Bradshaw clean in a quicky WWE Title feud to kill a few weeks.
      -Booker gets built-up as a credible heel challenger with some decent victories-maybe they can keep Show around for another coupla weeks, have him take exception to Booker's "second-rate show" comments and turn him face for a few shows. Booker beats him and puts him out, and he can easily come back as a heel once his shelf-time is over.
      -RVD can be pushed into a face vs. face US Title feud, whilst Renee Dupree could be kept hot with a short-term rivalry with Rey Rey.
      -Bradshaw can move into being 'Taker's designated whipping-boy for JD.

      I'm liking these moves so far.


    Sounds good to me, and except for the RVD-Cena feud, I could see all of that happening.

    I'm just baffled why Bradshaw is getting the post-draft push YET AGAIN. Didn't they realize how badly the last one turned out? Oh, well, let's wait and see how this plays out on TV.


Bulldog, some of what you said in this post sorta came true. A few differences for sure but Heyman did end up quitting (just earlier than you thought) and if they need a "main guy" if and when an ECW-type brand is started, maybe it would be Angle as that instead of HHH. I could see when Angle is able to wrestle again, they have a storyline where Vince finds a reason to fire him as GM and replace him with Stephanie.

You know she's coming back, you just don't know when. Kinda like herpes in a way. You don't know when a herpes will show up, but you know it eventually will.

(edited by BOSsportsfan34 on 24.3.04 0926)


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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.15
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Here's how things are going to shake down between here and Judgement Day, I'd wager:

    -Eddie beats Bradshaw clean in a quicky WWE Title feud to kill a few weeks.
    -Booker gets built-up as a credible heel challenger with some decent victories-maybe they can keep Show around for another coupla weeks, have him take exception to Booker's "second-rate show" comments and turn him face for a few shows. Booker beats him and puts him out, and he can easily come back as a heel once his shelf-time is over.
    -RVD can be pushed into a face vs. face US Title feud, whilst Renee Dupree could be kept hot with a short-term rivalry with Rey Rey.
    -Bradshaw can move into being 'Taker's designated whipping-boy for JD.

    I'm liking these moves so far.


I'd have RVD back up Booker for a little while because they're buddies but then screw up again at the PPV and then Booker turns on him too. They could always do that on TV in a few weeks and have them face off at the PPV.

I do like the idea of feeding Bradshaw to Undertaker. Actually I LOVE that idea because it just keeps them together.

I would have Kurt Angle take over from Heyman in targeting Cena. It makes sense that Cena wouldn't fit the image of Angle's "Smackdown". You could move Cena up into a Three Way for the strap at Judgment Day or have him interfere setting off a long Angle/Cena program to really elevate Cena. Booker T should be ready as a top heel by July, if not, go with Big Show because Guerrero should get his win back on him at some point.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.05
    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Here's how things are going to shake down between here and Judgement Day, I'd wager:

    -Eddie beats Bradshaw clean in a quicky WWE Title feud to kill a few weeks.
    -Booker gets built-up as a credible heel challenger with some decent victories-maybe they can keep Show around for another coupla weeks, have him take exception to Booker's "second-rate show" comments and turn him face for a few shows. Booker beats him and puts him out, and he can easily come back as a heel once his shelf-time is over.
    -RVD can be pushed into a face vs. face US Title feud, whilst Renee Dupree could be kept hot with a short-term rivalry with Rey Rey.
    -Bradshaw can move into being 'Taker's designated whipping-boy for JD.

    I'm liking these moves so far.


That all sounds good oldschool.

I would,however have Dupree challenge Cena for the U.S title and have Van Dam have a face vs face encounter with Rey Rey. Now that would be a match wort seeing.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by James F'n X
    Why does everyone think that the mere presence of HHH on the same show as Booker/RVD was 'holding them down'? Maybe the fact that they're not all that good anymore (and RVD wasn't all that good to begin with) is 'holding them down'. And since the same people are writing the television for both sohws, why should you think Booker and RVD's pushes are going to change now that they've moved shows? This isn't like they're jumping promotions to a new booker, a new writer, and a new fanbase.


thank you I have never liked the roll rvd plays!!! he just does nothing for me



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Heres how Smackdown should span out until Judgment Day:

-Booker T becomes a full fledged heel with Teddy Long as his manager.

-RVD continues to win hard fought matches.

-Dupree also continues to win hard fought matches and is constantly put down by Cena.

-Angle starts off fair but shows his true motives and becomes a full blown heel GM who is only intent on getting the title off Gurrero. He becomes even more sadistic then he was before Mania. I think they should really make Angle appear to be crazy and obsessed with the title.

-Taker keeps helping Eddie from Angles plans so Angle assigns Big Show to take out Taker.

-Gurrero and Bradshaw start a short feud with Gurrero coming out on top.


JUDGMENT DAY:

RVD vs. Booker T w/Teddy Long - They could start a feud about how they used to be tag partners. I would put Booker over because SD needs top heels.

US TITLE: Cena vs. Dupree - proably Cena but they could give it to Depree and keep the feud going.

Big Show vs. Undertaker - Taker wins. Big Show gets him time off after this match.

WORLD TITLE: Angle vs. Gurrero (Gimmick Match) - I think Angle will be ready by this time and this is the only match I think SD could do right now that would draw money on a PPV. I would have Angle lose and become even more insane. This lose would start a new character for Angle. I would have him move away from the funny, goofy Angle.



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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
Everyone else says that HHH is the one who made RVD look bad. Honestly, it was Benoit who exposed him as being a limited wrestler in the ring. RVD’s pathetic selling and psychology in their IC Title match at Summerslam 2002 was embarrassing. I mean, if you can’t look good against BENOIT of all people, how much room at the top do you really think there is for you?

He’s a good highspot artist, and he’s gotten better since that match, but he really wasn’t ready for the main event in the WWE at the time, and he's really not cut out to be a heel (which he'd need to be to go after any of the current babyface champs). So he can jerk the curtain for now.

I like some of the directions they’re going in here. Teddy Long could be a good addition to the Too Cool formula. Evil GM Kurt Angle is a nice touch – yeah, we’re going back to the “Rebellious babyface champ vs. evil owner” formula, but the fact that he and Eddie have an in-ring history together and that Kurt is also still a viable main-event level contender is a nice twist on that. Bradshaw... eh.
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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.25
I'll see your RVD-bashing and raise you Unforgiven 2002, where he looked SO excited to be wrestling for the World Heavyweight Title that he actually appeared to fall asleep halfway through the match. Way to show that fire and intensity, Rob!





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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.84
    Originally posted by Phantom
    Everyone else says that HHH is the one who made RVD look bad. Honestly, it was Benoit who exposed him as being a limited wrestler in the ring. RVD’s pathetic selling and psychology in their IC Title match at Summerslam 2002 was embarrassing. I mean, if you can’t look good against BENOIT of all people, how much room at the top do you really think there is for you?


Wrestling isn't a real sport. Psychology doesn't matter as long as you have the charisma and the audience behind you to pull off whatever it is you do in the ring.

I won't go into the HHH-RVD feud, because that's just opening up Pandora's Box, but the fact is the crowd did buy into RVD's character even coming out of that SummerSlam match with Benoit, which led to a World Title program (which was upsized from an IC Title program) with HHH. Now, maybe oldschoolhero's commentary on RVD is true, but the Benoit match at SummerSlam is hardly a career killer.

People don't watch wrestling matches THAT closely, because the pretense is that it's all a show, and the drama and theatrics ultimately matter when your favorite wrestler wins the big match at the end of the day. If he wrestles a shitty match and still wins, it's really no loss. When it comes to making money and putting on a show, what matters is how you're booked. The Benoit-RVD match was booked just fine, and resolved a mini RAW-SMACKDOWN feud in a midcard match everyone forgot about. No harm done.

Granted, when it comes to backstage politics and advancement from the midcard, Vince is certainly looking for people who can put on great matches like the WMXX main event. But, the bottom dollar is what really matters, which is why if there was still money in the Ultimate Warrior, they'd bring him back tomorrow and have him plow through everybody. If there was still money in Hulk Hogan, he'd be brought back and put over everyone, too.

I will concede that fans ARE more demanding these days for ringwork, but as you said RVD is a good highspot artist. If his highspots can make money where his psychology and technical wrestling ability fail, he's still worth it. I think that's why he has stuck around over the years in WWE, and it may finally translate to a major push on SMACKDOWN!. We'll see.
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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.43
The sad thing is, RVD isn't even a good highspot artist anymore. All of his spots are cliche now. Rolling Blunder, the Five-Star, you'd think that after 10 years, RVD would work on his abdominal muscles so he wouldn't be injured THE EXACT SAME WAY after the Five-Star EVERY TIME, with the EXACT SAME SELLING. You put him next to an Eddy Guerrero, and Eddy completely obsoletes RVD, doing everything RVD can with a sense of pacing, match structure, etc. Put him next to the CW's, and the CW's are doing stuff at his size in terms of highspots that he doesn't do. Technical wrestling? You lose RVD so fast it's not even funny.

Nothing RVD does is excellent. Hell, I'd be hardpressed to say that anything RVD does is very good. The only thing he has left is his charisma and his connection to the reefer community.



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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.44
    Originally posted by SKLOKAZOID
      Originally posted by Phantom
      Everyone else says that HHH is the one who made RVD look bad. Honestly, it was Benoit who exposed him as being a limited wrestler in the ring. RVD’s pathetic selling and psychology in their IC Title match at Summerslam 2002 was embarrassing. I mean, if you can’t look good against BENOIT of all people, how much room at the top do you really think there is for you?


    Wrestling isn't a real sport. Psychology doesn't matter as long as you have the charisma and the audience behind you to pull off whatever it is you do in the ring.

    I won't go into the HHH-RVD feud, because that's just opening up Pandora's Box, but the fact is the crowd did buy into RVD's character even coming out of that SummerSlam match with Benoit, which led to a World Title program (which was upsized from an IC Title program) with HHH. Now, maybe oldschoolhero's commentary on RVD is true, but the Benoit match at SummerSlam is hardly a career killer.

    People don't watch wrestling matches THAT closely, because the pretense is that it's all a show, and the drama and theatrics ultimately matter when your favorite wrestler wins the big match at the end of the day. If he wrestles a shitty match and still wins, it's really no loss. When it comes to making money and putting on a show, what matters is how you're booked. The Benoit-RVD match was booked just fine, and resolved a mini RAW-SMACKDOWN feud in a midcard match everyone forgot about. No harm done.

    Granted, when it comes to backstage politics and advancement from the midcard, Vince is certainly looking for people who can put on great matches like the WMXX main event. But, the bottom dollar is what really matters, which is why if there was still money in the Ultimate Warrior, they'd bring him back tomorrow and have him plow through everybody. If there was still money in Hulk Hogan, he'd be brought back and put over everyone, too.

    I will concede that fans ARE more demanding these days for ringwork, but as you said RVD is a good highspot artist. If his highspots can make money where his psychology and technical wrestling ability fail, he's still worth it. I think that's why he has stuck around over the years in WWE, and it may finally translate to a major push on SMACKDOWN!. We'll see.
But at the same time, highspots only get you so far for so long. After a while, it’s just the same-old same-old. I think the addition of RVD will be a good test for the commentary team. Tazz and Cole seem to be a bit more focused on the technical aspects of what’s going on, why a wrestler is focusing on a body part, and what they hope to achieve with their moves. RVD’s going to have to incorporate a bit more psychology and focus into his arsenal to give them something to work with, so that they can in turn make what he’s doing seem that much more devastating to an opponent.

Remember, Jeff Hardy was really over for a while with their stiff kicks and highspots, respectively, but after a while his act just started to get stale when he didn't add anything to it.
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