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You know, this has been bugging me for quite some time but the thread about the Women's Division finally got me to say something.

Why does everybody hate Lita so much?

Every time I see her name brought up it's along with words like "sloppy" "eye candy" and "blown spots," and I often wonder if we're even watching the same Lita. I even saw one post that put her on the same level as Stacy and Torrie!

She's easily the best flyer in the (admittedly small) women's division, and I can't remember a single blown spot in recent memory.

I am honestly thoroughly confused by this. Why are people hating on Lita and creaming themselves over Trish's skills. Don't get me wrong, I think Trish deserves all the praise she gets, but is she really that much better than Lita?

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#2 Posted on
Dunno, man. I think it's bullshit too. Yeah, she's not Chris Benoit minus a pecker, but she's not the worst ever either. Also, she's not the hideous man-beast a lot of guys here make her out to be. Well, I wouldn't kick her out of bed, at any rate.



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Since: 8.1.02
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I don't think Lita has zero value for the womens division. Obviously she is very popular with the crowd and can hit those high flying moves more or less well enough. That's good enough for work here and there, I think. I just think she is probably the most limited of all the women who can put on some degree of wrestling (i.e. the five or six mentioned in the earlier thread). And she's just not a favorite of mine--that tatoo is nasty and her face is only occasionally tolerable. So you put that all together and I wouldn't mind seeing her get a massive back-stage beat-down on RAW from Jazz and Ivory.

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Since: 22.3.02

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#4 Posted on
She runs funny and throws really awkward looking punches/forearms. Due to lack of experience or talent, she's not as controlled a performer as most of the WWF's non-developmental male workers and more solid female workers like Jazz. The same could probably be said of Trish, but for Trish:

a) People have watched her come a long way in a limited amount of time.

b) She doesn't due a lot of high-flying, potentially dangerous spots.

Lita on the other hand is constantly busting out hurricanranas, headscissors, and moonsaults, all of which carry a high potential for injury. When people see that she's not really a tight controlled performer, they worry that one of these days the odds are going to catch up to her and whomever she's in the ring with. In addition, she hasn't really improved at all since her debut and, if anything, looks worse now thanks to her having to work matches all by her lonesome (instead of just providing interference spots in other people's matches).
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Since: 1.2.02
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#5 Posted on
    Originally posted by Debaser
    She runs funny and throws really awkward looking punches/forearms.


I know! Like Elaine dancing on "Seinfeld".

And just like Elaine, Lita thinks she looks cool, but she's actually a klutz who's almost painful to watch sometimes.

In fact, a few months back, didn't Ivory hint that she didn't want to work with Lita after two moonsaults in one week ended with Lita's knees in Ivory's stomach (Raw) and face (Smackdown)?

The bottom-line reason I don't like Lita: that Matt Hardy-like posing to the crowd before she does a move. HATE that.


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#6 Posted on
I'm surprised that nobody's pointed out that she had interfered in every Hardyz match since the beginning of time (2000 AD.)
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Since: 12.3.02
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#7 Posted on
Well, on a regional level, as a resident of NC I cringe every time Lita and the Hardys open their mouths because they sounds as country as an extra in "Smokey and the Bandit."

My biggest problem is that she's sloppy. . .her punches don't connect, and if her huracanrana hits and the cameras in the wrong place it looks slow and awkward and like it wouldn't really hurt *anyone.* She has the same problem people accused Jericho of having not so very long ago--her move(s) doesn't look like they hurt but they're so sloppy they *might.*

And the interference gets on my nerves as well. . .most likely because it's the same kinda interference ALL THE TIME. Lita runs in, and the power of her Vagina-flip renders the Hardys opponents unconscious. Even Stacy varies her inference occasionally.




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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by Enojado Viento
    My biggest problem is that she's sloppy. . .her punches don't connect, and if her huracanrana hits and the cameras in the wrong place it looks slow and awkward and like it wouldn't really hurt *anyone.* She has the same problem people accused Jericho of having not so very long ago--her move(s) doesn't look like they hurt but they're so sloppy they *might.*


I say again, though, I've never noticed any sloppiness, and I certainly never noticed the "slow and awkward" hurricanrana that you seem to think is so obvious. I'll grant that her punches are fake looking, though.

If she's such a danger to her opponents then why do we never hear about people refusing to work with her? People were complaining about Rob Van Dam after only two or three incidents. Which brings me to my next question: If she's so sloppy and it's "obvious" that she's going to hurt someone, why, after two years, have there been no injuries to her, her opponents, or the Hardyz' opponents. RVD injured no less than three people in about a week's time, where are the people calling him "untalented" "untrained" or "sloppy?" I'm not hating on RVD, I'm actually a huge RVD mark... but my point is why are people so quick to criticize someone who "might" hurt herself or someone else, even when she's never even come close to doing so?



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Since: 22.3.02
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#9 Posted on

    Lita runs in, and the power of her Vagina-flip renders the Hardys opponents unconscious.




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Since: 30.8.02
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#10 Posted on
If you don't see her looking awkward and blowing spots... jeez, I dunno what to tell ya. Go back and watch virtually any of her solo matches. (Not the Hardyz matches where she just does a hurricanrana.)



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#11 Posted on
I enjoy Lita, and think she fits in fine in the women's division. As for her look, I'll just say she's pushing a lot of the buttons that make me happy. But the point I want to hit is that as Yun said "If she's so sloppy and it's "obvious" that she's going to hurt someone, why, after two years, have there been no injuries to her, her opponents, or the Hardyz' opponents." I haven't heard of anyone being injured by her, so I grant him this. I do know though that during the three-way at WM, I remember saying to those I was watching with something along the lines of "Jeez, someone's going to die the way they keep landing." I don't know if it's Lita or her opponents or both who are the reason, but all of the moves which involve Lita and/or her opponent leaving her feet seem to end looking really awkward and like someone OUGHT to be hurting from it. Now maybe she's just really good at making her stuff look awkward and dangerous, but I'm not thinking that's my first guess.



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#12 Posted on
I can't stand the Hardys or Lita, they just aren't convincing to me. Watching them on Smackdown for example, what could they possibly do to hurt Chuck and Billy? I have basically the same problem with RVD. All that high flying does nothing if you just flip around for the hell of it.

Lita was a fresh look when she first came out with Essa Rios, but now I can't stand her. The scowl is just ugly. The best moonsault she's done was the first one she did on TV. She's hit a few decent ones lately, but she needs to take her time. When she jumps up on the corner and jumps really quickly it's very flat and thus the random factor in the landing. It's not like she has to rush it that much, if she takes an extra half a second or so and makes sure of it they'd look alot better.

Her headscissor on Smackdown was ugly, as alot of them are. Again she's all momentum and no control.



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Since: 24.1.02
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#13 Posted on
take away Lita's high flying moves, and what has she got? Nothing. She can't do the basic wrestling.

her punches and forearms are lame. And if you watch closely, when she starts to run, she does a skip for a step or two. Strange.

BTW, Kurt Angle needs to teach her how to do the moonsaults properly.



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#14 Posted on
"Why does everybody hate Lita so much?"

... I don't really HATE Lita per se, but she doesn't really do anything for me in the ring. Essentially, she's a ghettoed-out Steph McMahon with a decent moonsault. Not enough.




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Since: 12.1.02
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.01

In addition to all the things everyone else has pointed out, I think I'd note this as well.

When she accompanies the Hardyz to ringside, she sucks all the heat from them to herself. People watch the Hardyz vs. the Dudleyz, and are rooting for Lita! A person who isn't even an official participant in the match (although I can guarantee with 90% certainty that she'll interfere at some point with that same old Litacanrana).

I hate the way she's pushed over more talented females, such as Molly Holly and Ivory. And I hate the fact that the other females are starting to sell actually being afraid of her, like she's Goldberg or something.

Besides, she looks skanky. I'd take Molly, Stacey or Trish over her any day. Hell, I'm more attracted to Ivory, who I believe is about 40, than I am to Lita.



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#16 Posted on

    BTW, Kurt Angle needs to teach her how to do the moonsaults properly.


I'm sure Bob Holly would strongly disagree with that.
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#17 Posted on
Eh, it all sounds like party-line bullshit to me. THink of the reasons stated:

"She runs funny": How about Steve Austin, HHH, and several others in the fed with funny runs?

"Bad forearm/punch": Let's go old school. One of my faves, Terry Funk, threw such a shitty punch that the only way to make it look good was to tag the guy for real. Besides, none of the top guys throw a decent punch, and the punch is 90% of their offense.

"awkward": Just because it's different doesn't make it awkward. Yun said it best: If she's so awkward, where's the long list of injuries caused by her sloppiness. I remember a guy trying to use this same argument about the Undertaker, and it was bullshit in that case as well.

All in all, I think the reason a lot of folks don't like Lita is because the IWC just has to have someone to dislike, and it's Lita's turn. In a little while, the hate will be focused towards someone else.

As for her looks, I personally dig the rave chick/punk look, so she's hot a hell to me. This is all about personal preference though, so I won't say anyone's full of shit for not liking her looks. But I'd still bang her.

Finally, you wanna compare moonsaults, do NOT bring Kurt Angle into it. Because of Angle's moonsault, Bob Holly spent months off tv with a broken arm. Lita has yet to cause a serious injury PERIOD. Now, Keiji Mutoh, THAT's a perfect moonsault!



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#18 Posted on
Ah, I see. So I don't really think what I think. That's such a tremendously convincing argument. Thank you for straightening me out about what I think.



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#19 Posted on
Think what you want pal, just don't expect everyone to automatically agree. Or were you talking about the signature at the end? That's got nothing to do with the argument at hand, I've just finished reading "House Corrino" by Brian Herbert & Kevin Anderson. It was a cool quote.

So, is it Stacy's turn to be disliked yet?



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#20 Posted on
There's nothing concrete about Lita to dislike, but I can see why people hate her stuff. She's by far and away the gangliest diva, and she doesn't look like she's got any strength to her whatsoever. However, she is mightily over and, being a fan of punk and goth chicks, I definitely would, if you know what I mean. So yeah, she serves her purpose and I think she's just fine where she is right now.



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