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But thus far we seem reluctant to make Liberia a stop (story.news.yahoo.com) on the "George Bush bringin' the Democracy" tour, despite the presence of thousands in the streets in front of our embassy there cheering the rumors of our intervention into their conflict.

After hearing everyone talk about how even if Iraq had no WMD or Al-Qaeda ties, that it's still worth it for bringing peace to an oppressed people, I hope that at some point now that same opinion will lead us to go somewhere that seems to want and need our intervention. Or am I just being naive here to think we would do such a thing?



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That depends. Does Liberia have any oil?



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I think you're just being inconsistent, if you didn't support the war in Iraq. Your opinion seems to boil down to "whatever Bush isn't doing is what oughta be done."

I think freedom was just a very very pleasant side effect of kicking Hussein out. The real reason remains, for me, getting a potentially dangerous nutcase out of power. So far as I know, Liberia has no impact on us at all, so let them butcher each other. We did it in the 1860s and we're just fine now, thanks. No need for American boys dying when the Liberians ambitions are confined to Liberia. (And I feel the same way about the Iraqi occupation - set up a puppet government, use diplomatic pressure to make them move towards democracy, and train a free Iraqi army.)



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Hey...ho....Let's go! Afterall, Liberia is an American creation...

(and yes they do have oil)



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by Big Bad
    That depends. Does Liberia have any oil?


Yeah like Afghanistan had oil.
Like Grimis said Liberia is a US formed country. We owe it to them to help them out. Plus something has to be done about Africa before the body count gets into the 10's of millions a year from war alone never mind wars secondary victims.



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I think you're just being inconsistent, if you didn't support the war in Iraq.

What, you either have to support all wars or no war at all? That's ridiculous. The Liberian government has explicitly asked the United States for help in removing a tyrant from power, and it's a American-created state that was founded by freed American slaves - hell, the capital is named after James Monroe. It's harder to think of a place America would be less morally obligated to step in and lend a hand.

(And I feel the same way about the Iraqi occupation - set up a puppet government, use diplomatic pressure to make them move towards democracy, and train a free Iraqi army.)

Yeah, that's going really well, isn't it? I know "puppet government" is exactly what the Shia majority of Iraq wants.
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Well, we are going in:

http://www.sabcnews.com/africa/west_africa/0,1009,61599,00.html

I disagree with this, much like with Iraq. I fail to see what national security interests we have here. I'm not sure that being responsible for its creation is reason enough. Are we forever wedded to this nation (a nation founded in 1822!?)? Or at some point is a nation responsible for its own destiny (Isn't 170 years enough time to expect a nation to stand on its own two feet?)?

Plus I've always hated the idea of sending our military for "peacekeeping". Military's are for "war-making", not "peacekeeping". If two sides want to fight, the last place I would want to be is in the middle.

(edited by ges7184 on 3.7.03 0930)


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Incidentally, Rich Lowry argues in the Washington Times that West Africa is riduculously rich in oil.

I think this is something that could make everybody happy: getting new sources of oil and abandoning our support of the support of the House of Saud.



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    Originally posted by godking
    I think you're just being inconsistent, if you didn't support the war in Iraq.

    What, you either have to support all wars or no war at all? That's ridiculous. The Liberian government has explicitly asked the United States for help in removing a tyrant from power, and it's a American-created state that was founded by freed American slaves - hell, the capital is named after James Monroe. It's harder to think of a place America would be less morally obligated to step in and lend a hand.

    (And I feel the same way about the Iraqi occupation - set up a puppet government, use diplomatic pressure to make them move towards democracy, and train a free Iraqi army.)

    Yeah, that's going really well, isn't it? I know "puppet government" is exactly what the Shia majority of Iraq wants.



I don't care what the Shia want, because installing another fundamentalist government will lead to repeating this mess in a decade or two. Either they choose liberalism (the classical sense) willingly, or we're going to have to force it on them. Sounds contradictory, but I don't see another option. We can't go to war to destroy a dangerous autocrat and replace him with another one. We have to make sure Iraq is no longer fertile ground for tyranny.

And I'm with ges as far as our being responsible to Liberia: it's been a few years now. I can't justify sending Americans to die there because the Liberians (some of them, anyway) prefer to act like primitives and slaughter each other.



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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    Incidentally, Rich Lowry argues in the Washington Times that West Africa is riduculously rich in oil.

    I think this is something that could make everybody happy: getting new sources of oil and abandoning our support of the support of the House of Saud.







As long as its a limited number of troops into a country that wants them, I have no problem with it. Plus, if in anyway this ends up in the long run causing the House of Saud to be screwed, I'm definately in favor of it.



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Palp: How exactly would we go about making Iraq inhospitable for dictators? It seems like the best example that I can think of is what might happen in Iran, which means letting a theocracy simmer until enough people in that country get pissed enough to do something about it.

And if our intervening in Liberia means we get a little shitkicking of oil companies in, fine with me. I've heard of some of what Royal Dutch Shell did in conjunction with the Nigerian government, and someone's got to beat some oil company/tyrant ass.



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