Down goes Kimm, Pujols, MacRae...with Royster hanging by a thread in Milwaukee and Frank Robinson wanting out of Montreal. Who's next, who all will go, who will replae them, who thinks any of it will really matter?
And sad news for Los Hermanos Zim - Tim Flannery got the axe as Pads 3rd base coach. A SD institution, gone! Soooooooo very sad.
But at least Kimm can't do any more damage to the Cubs pitching staff. Mark Prior is doing back flips, I'm certain.
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Mildly surprised that Bobby Valentine got the axe today. But I suppose somebody had to be blamed for that debacle.
I would surmise that Royster, Narron, McClendon and maybe Jerry Manuel or Bob Boone to get fired. Frank Robinson may leave Montreal on his own fruition, Dusty Baker's situation is(as usual) fluid and Lou Piniella may leave Seattle for the right job. And I think Joel Skinner is still interim manager in Cleveland.
That's potentially a dozen jobs available.
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I have never been one to think that firing a manager is the solution to a teams problems, but how Bobby Valentine hung on as long as he did with the NY Underachievers amazes me. I was actally surprised he got the ax, I thought he had some good dirt on the ownership or something, because I thought back at the end of August he should have hit the bricks, and let either Chamblis or Mookie have the chance to see what they could do. Ah well, now if we could only fire the rest of the team, and start over. Of course, I am only one of the "stupid fans" Ray "oops" Ordonez is so frustrated with
Originally posted by James F'n XIn less interesting news, Jerry Narron is gone from Texas. In A-Rod's first two years in Texas, two managers have left the job.
Johnny Oates was at the end of the line in a bad situation(thankfully he was fired or else they may never have found his brain tumor). Jerry Narron was the wrong guy in the wrong place and the wrong time.
Texas needs some guy who knows pitching the help fix that mess(they also need to get the memo to Tom Hicks that indeed money does not fix all).
How Valentine got the chop and Steve Phillips stays is beyond me, I personally thought that Wilpon would give this hate-hate relationship until the All-Star break and then make a decision. Bad move by Mets management. If you make the move in the offseason, both guys have to go. But I beg of you, if by some minor miracle Fred Wilpon actually KNOWS that this board exists: Bing in Felipe Alou! He did wonders with next to nothing in Montreal, and some of these Mets actually might have some talent left. Bring Felipe in, and let him do his stuff. Failing that, Lou Pinella might be the best choice, if he can be persuaded to leave Seattle.
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Originally posted by skorpio17the Mets should take a no-nonsense Buck Showalter to whip them into shape. He is a great manager.
Yeah, then they can fire him after 2003 and win the series in 2004(since both jobs he's had the team has fired him and won the World Series the next year).
Of course, he is probably EXACTLY what that bunch of miscreants need, but he is not known as a player's manger due to his intensity. And god knows we can't bother the players with intensity. You'll probably see a mass exodus out of New York, led by Roberto Alomar who doesn't have the heart to play to win. I've despised him since he dogged all of '98(his last year in Baltimore) and I hope he winds up in Montreal, Tampa Bay, Milwaukee or some other baseball purgatory...
As soon as I posted I heard Narron and Valentine were gone, too. Figures.
Not a fan of Valentine by any means, but he doesn't deserve ALL the blame for the Mets fiasco. Steve Phillips must have pics of Wilpon and a goat. Narron getting the axe was a bit of a shock since I heard ARod liked him. And Narron's about as responsible for the Rangers sucking as I am.
As far as Sholwalter to the Mets, the knocks on him have been that; A) he's an ass-kicker that players don't want brought in (I believe the Royals players spazzed when his name was mentioned as a possible replacement for Muser in mid-season) and B) he's a guy who wants a TON of control over his roster, thereby making most GM's bristle. I doubt he'll be on the Mets' list of possibilities no matter how good he could be for them.
Royster DESERVES to be fired but considering this is the Brewers he'll obviously hang around to keep the equilibrium of organizational ineptness steady. I've heard the BoSox brass aren't terribye excited about a future with Little and whoever knows for certain with Boston. I've also heard rumblings about Jerry Manuel and McClendon.
I know that Baker wanted to test the FA market, but why aren't the Giants doing everything to woo him back? I don't get it. The man's practically a miracle worker. Same could be said with Piniella to a point, but I hear he really wants to manage in FLA.
As far as other names - Boone is safe as can be in Cincy and Skinner seems to be close to becoming the full-time Tribe manager.
And you have nooooooo idea how stoked I would be to see Skeeter Barnes as a manager somewhere! If only he'd have Razor Shines as a bench coach!
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The problem with Baker in the past has been that he has trouble managing important, "everything is on the line" types of games. Yes he can pull miracles out of his ass and motivate his players (although I think he would have a harder time doing this if he moved, because he has been with the Giants organization and in this area for years), but fans and management are getting sick of seeing Dusty miracles and then have nothing come from them. Yes he has done great things and he believes that he definately deserves his job, but Giants fans want the whole thing, and their attitude now is that if he will never be able to get it done then maybe someone else will. All fans want the same thing, so you can't blame the SF fans or the organization. And someone has to take the blame after awhile if it never gets done.
I know, it's a sad situation, but what are you going to do? Personally I don't know if anyone else will be able to do any better with the way the team is structured, but the organization is probably going to be willing to give them a try unless the Giants at LEAST make it to the Series, and even then Dusty may want to leave because he feels dissed by the criticism from above.
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Originally posted by edturtleThe man's practically a miracle worker. Same could be said with Piniella to a point, but I hear he really wants to manage in FLA.
Tampa Bay to be exact.
He has family there, but good god, he's out of his damn mind. Who the hell would want to go from the M's to the D-Ray's? I'm not even sure I'd want to go from some teams bench coach to the D-Ray's manager. That's the job from hell.
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Originally posted by kazhayashi81Felipe Alou, anyone?
And I think Herschiser will be the one to replace Narron.. even though I'd like to see him stay at pitching coach and Alou brought in :)
As a fairly visable Expos fan, I can tell you that Felipe Alou is THE MAN. Period. Why he doesn't have team after team calling him right now is beyond me.
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Originally posted by DMCTalk in California and among baseball seems to be that if the Giants do not win the World Series, that Baker will be gone.
I hear he may want to go to Seattle if Pinella leaves. Or you could possibly see him to go L.A.
This is the last season under Dusty's contract. If he wants to return, The Giants'll welcome him with open arms. However, HE has been the one hinting that this season might be his last. Which is why he'll win. It's Dustiny, after all. =)
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