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    You look at the TV ratings for July and you can see that they were onto something really hot, and of course the buyrate for InVasion with an top heel team of Booker, DDP, Rhyno, and the Dudleys (again, what mattered wasn't the individuals but the collective entity and the concept) more than speaks for itself.



I bought everyone of those damn WCW/WWE PPVs hoping against hope that it would be THE PPV that would really feel like WCW vs WWE. Of course it never happened and I've been bitter enough since to not buy a PPV no matter how good it looks on paper.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
I don't think there is a wrestler on the whole planet that Vince wouldn't bring back that could make him money......except maybe Randy Savage. I've heard it said that he is the one guy Vince would never bring back. Why, I don't know. Has he ever even been put on any of the WWE's Playstation wrestling games ?

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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
I think having Brock job to CENA would be smart and wouldn't weaken him to much. From what I heard they worked well in OVW. Of course for real payback they have him do the job to BIG SHOW since Show was the one that had to delay his surgery to put CENA over.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by Kevintripod
    I don't think there is a wrestler on the whole planet that Vince wouldn't bring back that could make him money......except maybe Randy Savage. I've heard it said that he is the one guy Vince would never bring back. Why, I don't know. Has he even ever been put on any of the WWE's Playstation wrestling games ?
The strange thing about that is that Savage left the WWF on such good terms that Vince even gave him an on-air goodbye, as I recall, which was very out of character. But Savage, of course, is completely nuts, so who knows what might have happened since.



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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Shade
    I think having Brock job to CENA would be smart and wouldn't weaken him to much. From what I heard they worked well in OVW. Of course for real payback they have him do the job to BIG SHOW since Show was the one that had to delay his surgery to put CENA over.

You can't do that right away. You've got to build to that, and put it on at a major PPV (WM, preferably). You'd have to have Brock (as champ) look unstoppable, then have Cena beat him for the belt to cap off the feud.

Jobbing him to Cena at a random PPV w/ no build doesn't do anyone (Cena, Brock, the company) any good.



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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.68
Well, if Vince can hire the guy who nearly put him out of business and rehire the guy that nearly got him incarcerated, I don't see Brock Lesnar being back in a WWE ring (preferably Smackdown) that farfetched.

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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.00
    Originally posted by Destrucity
      Originally posted by Kevintripod
      I don't think there is a wrestler on the whole planet that Vince wouldn't bring back that could make him money......except maybe Randy Savage. I've heard it said that he is the one guy Vince would never bring back. Why, I don't know. Has he even ever been put on any of the WWE's Playstation wrestling games ?
    The strange thing about that is that Savage left the WWF on such good terms that Vince even gave him an on-air goodbye, as I recall, which was very out of character. But Savage, of course, is completely nuts, so who knows what might have happened since.

No idea how much truth there is to it but I remember reading a while back that the heat comes from Savage telling Vince he didn't want to be in the ring full time anymore back in 1992/93. This was right around the time the company was sorely lacking in proven main eventers since it was shortly after the whole steroid scandal, but Vince reluctantly honoured his wishes and made him a commentator so he would only have to make sporadic in-ring returns every now and again.

Much to Vince's horror Savage went right back to a near full time schedule for the next 5 years in WCW, during which he (Vince) came closer than ever to going out of business.

Like I said, no idea how much truth there is to it (and it doesn't really explain why Vince gave him the on-air farewell unless he didn't know Savage was intending to wrestle in WCW) but it's an interesting theory.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.09
I'd happily welcome him back, and would boo him heartily. It wouldn't surprise me if he came back in a jobber match, then Big Show got pissed at him and attacked.

These two just worked really well together. The Show-Lesnar feud was some of Show's best work, and it featured great visuals, not just the F-5 of the big man, but also the ring collapsing. Since Show is now babyface, and a returning Lesnar is bound to be a heel, this might be a good way to shake the rust off of Lesnar where he won't be asked to move all that quickly.

Regardless, Lesnar is too talented to waste away on the shelf, and pairing him with Show would restore some credibility to both, no matter who ends up on top.

But given the recent wisdom of the 'E, they'll probably make Lesnar Val Venus' tag partner, and lie down for Tajiri. While I'd like to see him on Smackdown!, I get a stronger feeling that Eric Bischoff will announce his signing - it's a better fit for Eric's character than it is for Teddy Holla Playa Peanuthead.
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.85
    Originally posted by Spaceman Spiff
      Originally posted by Shade
      I think having Brock job to CENA would be smart and wouldn't weaken him to much. From what I heard they worked well in OVW. Of course for real payback they have him do the job to BIG SHOW since Show was the one that had to delay his surgery to put CENA over.

    You can't do that right away. You've got to build to that, and put it on at a major PPV (WM, preferably). You'd have to have Brock (as champ) look unstoppable, then have Cena beat him for the belt to cap off the feud.

    Jobbing him to Cena at a random PPV w/ no build doesn't do anyone (Cena, Brock, the company) any good.


Well....yeah. I didn't mean job to Cena in his first match back. Build up through the ranks then face CENA at a PPV and lose.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.44
    Originally posted by CTX
    No idea how much truth there is to it but I remember reading a while back that the heat comes from Savage telling Vince he didn't want to be in the ring full time anymore back in 1992/93. This was right around the time the company was sorely lacking in proven main eventers since it was shortly after the whole steroid scandal, but Vince reluctantly honoured his wishes and made him a commentator so he would only have to make sporadic in-ring returns every now and again.

    Much to Vince's horror Savage went right back to a near full time schedule for the next 5 years in WCW, during which he (Vince) came closer than ever to going out of business.

    Like I said, no idea how much truth there is to it (and it doesn't really explain why Vince gave him the on-air farewell unless he didn't know Savage was intending to wrestle in WCW) but it's an interesting theory.
Hmmmm -- the version I've heard is kinda the opposite of that, that being that Vince, transitioning into his "New Generation" phase, no longer envisioned Savage as a full-time wrestler but rather as an announcer who made occasional wrestling appearances. Savage wasn't happy with that role and wanted to wrestle full time, and he told Vince as much, so Vince let him out of his contract to pursue other opportunities. That story, of course, doesn't explain where the animosity came from, but if the truth is that Savage said he wanted to be a commentator and Vince made him a commentator, then why would he have left?



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.44
    Originally posted by too-old-now
    But given the recent wisdom of the 'E, they'll probably make Lesnar Val Venus' tag partner, and lie down for Tajiri.
This statement makes on sense.

Also, you spelled "Venis" wrong.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95

    Originally posted by CTX
    I remember reading a while back that the heat comes from Savage telling Vince he didn't want to be in the ring full time anymore back in 1992/93. This was right around the time the company was sorely lacking in proven main eventers since it was shortly after the whole steroid scandal, but Vince reluctantly honoured his wishes and made him a commentator so he would only have to make sporadic in-ring returns every now and again.
I remember reading that Savage was unable to stay over as a heel after Sherri left, and he couldnt get over as a babyface either without Liz, so Vince had him do commentary instead. Then WCW came calling & told him he would be wrestling full-time again (& threw a ton of money at him), so he left.

This version of the story makes more sense when looking at the positive send-off Vince gave him when he left ("We cant use you, so you're welcome to leave for WCW. Good day to you sir"), but your version of the story makes more sense when looking at how black-balled from the WWE Savage seems to be now.

Side note of interest: I watched an episode of Byte This once hosted by Vince & Shane, and a listener asked them if they would ever bring back Savage. They both kinda of turned & looked at each other, then Vince turned back to the camera and said something like "No, I think Randy Savage is going to finish his career in WCW".




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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.87
I can't help read this thread and wonder why I'm the only person who remembers hearing the rumor that Savage slept with Stephanie, thereby rendering his and Vince's relationship null and void. I don't know if I ever read that here or not, though.

As for Lesnar, count me as one of those who would be happy to see him back on Smackdown.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
    Originally posted by GRL
    I can't help read this thread and wonder why I'm the only person who remembers hearing the rumor that Savage slept with Stephanie, thereby rendering his and Vince's relationship null and void. I don't know if I ever read that here or not, though.



Who knows if that's actually true... but if so, then yeah... that'd do it.

    Originally posted by GRL

    As for Lesnar, count me as one of those who would be happy to see him back on Smackdown.



I'm noticing something. Not a single person here has said "No, I don't want to see Brock back". Everybody seems to have a different idea for how to best use him, but nobody here thinks that he can't contribute significantly to the product. Normally we're all divided on just about every wrestler (except Benoit, whom everyone loves), so I think it's a good sign for Brock's likelihood of returning... or at least the likelihood of Vince thinking he's worth a damn and taking him back.

I admit I'm biased because I'm a total Brock mark, and I'd probably mark out like a MF if he had a surprise return. His return alone would be enough to get me to watch Smackdown again. Honestly I personally am tired of Lesnar vs Show, and it doesn't have the same impact anymore now that Cena and Matt Morgan and everybody but Stevie Richards seems to be able to F5/FU the Big show... but imagine some (more?) Brock vs Benoit action. How about Brock vs Batista? I would love to see Lesnar vs HHH, except that neither one works particularly well as a face, and heel vs heel feuds usually are lacking somewhere. I think a 2nd round of Brock vs Cena or Brock vs Benjamin would both be excellent now that Cena and Shelton have come into their own.

And of course, with the exception of them both being heels, there is NOBODY better suited to being the one to finally break the masterlock challenge. Come on now WWE, am I the ONLY one who sees that? Can't you just do a quick swerve and have Brock split the money with Chris masters the week later and find out it's a setup? They can tag together afterward if they need to. Just let me have that one huge mark-out moment...

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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
    Originally posted by Skarecrow
    Honestly I personally am tired of Lesnar vs Show, and it doesn't have the same impact anymore now that Cena and Matt Morgan and everybody but Stevie Richards seems to be able to F5/FU the Big show. How about Brock vs Batista? I would love to see Lesnar vs HHH



    Totally agree.




    there is NOBODY better suited to being the one to finally break the masterlock challenge.



And of course there is the "Angle Challenge" also.

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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.89
Wonder if they'll make him lay down for Undertaker right off the bat since that's one of the reasons he left in the first place...

I'll agree with whoever above said it would just be best as a "mystery opponent" thing. Obviously the internet would get wind of it ahead of time, but it seems now like internet build-up creates more anticipation than them just saying "Brock Lesnar returns in 3/2/NEXT WEEK" on Smackdown for a month.



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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.69
After Lesner just up and leaving like that, I don't want to see him wear championship gold ever again.

Screw the "hot commodity" thing...and screw the fact that he's too valuable, or whatever...he abandoned the company. Most people would get fired and never get considered again for anything with that company.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
    Originally posted by GRL
    I can't help read this thread and wonder why I'm the only person who remembers hearing the rumor that Savage slept with Stephanie, thereby rendering his and Vince's relationship null and void. I don't know if I ever read that here or not, though.


Ironic, since now sleeping with Stephanie apparently makes Ric Flair proclaim you The Greatest Wrestler of All Time, and a near-endless title run.
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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.60
    Originally posted by sentonBOMB
    Ironic, since now sleeping with Stephanie apparently makes Ric Flair proclaim you The Greatest Wrestler of All Time, and a near-endless title run.


There's a difference (potentially) between "dating" and "slept with." Besides, how old would Stephanie have been back in '93??

As for Brock - When Brock left after WM XX, I felt Brock was the biggest missed-opportunity in the last 5 years. What an amazing talent. Never has a man that big come along who is fast, can wrestle almost any style, and speaks well on the microphone. I don't like Brock Lesner, the person (or at least, what I've read about him and interviews), but he is a truly unique and irreplacable talent. I hope he comes back and kicks ass.

If he does come back, I don't think you waste any time/energy "punishing" him by jobbing him to people. That's silly and juvenile. If you want to punish him, give him much less money than last time or make him harder than other people, but don't waste the opportunity of Monster Brock Lesner because of a vendetta. Too much money to be made, too many great fueds to be had.




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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.71
    Originally posted by BendyStraws
    There's a difference (potentially) between "dating" and "slept with." Besides, how old would Stephanie have been back in '93??


She was born September 24, 1976.....so she would have been 16 or 17 years old in '93.

Didn't Jerry Lawler a few years back make a comment in an interview about someone he knew that went to college with Stephanie, and that person had told Lawler that Stephanie was "very wild" in college.



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