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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.65
There's actually a pretty decent interview with Lesnar here: http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2005/06/24/sports/local/spt01.txt

The article states He has been embroiled in a lawsuit with WWE trying to break the deal, but on Thursday he shifted gears and opened the door for a settlement and a return to McMahon's group.

"I'm ready for it now," he said. "... With the lawsuit and everything going on, I just hope we can resolve this thing, and Vince can open his doors to me and just give me a second chance.


It was pretty much a given that he'd end up settling out of court and want back in. So now that he's saying he wants back in, how long before he's brought back? Who's Brock have to job to first? I know HHH was saying before that they didn't need Brock, but Vince would have to be insane to let him sit at home...
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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.13
Yeah, I knew he'd be back. Stupidity of youth.

He won't get the monster push again obviously, but I don't think that they're going to make him a heidenrich or a matt morgan. The guy basically was the HHH of smackdown for a year and a half... always either the champion or challenging for the championship. You can't let that go and drop him into a jobber status, even temporarrly, especially if you ever intend to have him again in a main event standing.

I see him coming back and having various midcard feuds (yeah he may lose one or two, but nothing that burries him) for about a year, and then around summerslam 2006 he'll be challenging again for the belt. Actually probably sooner, now that I think about it. It should be interesting to see how well he does at the royal rumble.

Look at it this way... Vince saw something in this guy worth trying to build the future of the company on... and chances are it's still there, along with perhaps some more wisdom now. Vince is hardly the most forgiving of people when all else is equal... but when taking someone back means money in his pocket... yeah, he can turn one hell of a blind eye to past transgressions.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.49
I think he's realizing the same thing a lot of people have realized about fighting major companies with lawsuits - you're going to be hanging around for years waiting for a resolution from the courts. Having seen this type of thing personally happen to friends, I know that WWE could keep this swinging until half of those ten years are up and then IF the courts ruled in his favor, they would probably allow him to come back within a timespan that would have made ten years not really that different in length.

The main reason to do this type of suit is to settle and get a reduction in the amount of time Lesnar had to sit and wait. Perhaps he thought he might have a chance to get into TNA or some other company, but is now having second thoughts about his chances of survival outside of WWE? Hard to say for sure form the text of the article as it could just be Lesnar trying to dangle a carrot in front of Vince to get him to settle (aka "Let's settle and then you can have me back.")

If he did come back, I suspect he'll have a slow push up the ladder, not just because of what he supposedly did to the company, but also because it would be the sure-fire storyline to take him on. He already had the fast mega-push, so to repeat it wouldn't be that exciting. Having to prove himself in the storyline and (no doubt) in reality would be the best way for him to earn respect back.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.22
Only took Brock a little over a year to realize it is tough to live the good life when you don't have any money coming in. For his sake, his lawyer better have already negotiated a return agreement with Vince or Vince's lawyers, because, if not, Vince is in the position of complete strength in terms of conditions being established should he ever allow Brock the privilege of working for him again.
For those who believe Vince won't punish Lesnar should he ever return, look at what happened to Windham when he returned in '89 after bailing on Vince in '85, or Steamboat being stuck with the firebreathing gimmick upon his post NWA World Title run. Vince can be extremely bitter and vindictive when he wants. Hmm, I wonder if Brock looks good in polka dots?
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They gotta be careful how they handle him when/if he comes back. They can't have him jobbing to the Funaki's and Stevie's of the company for the 1st year, because that would be just flushing $$$ down the toilet. And by all means they can't feed him to HHH (or Taker, for that matter) for humiliation purposes, no matter how much HHH wants it. And for the love of all things holy, don't have Austin kick his ass. He's going to have insane heel heat the second he steps into the ring, so to piss that away just to rub his nose in it would be pointless.

That's not to say they can't have him do jobs. It has to be logical & in a way to protect him, and it can't be more than a couple. Best bet would be to have him to a job or 2 to ME-level guys (but not HHH/Taker), play it up like he's rusty because he's been away for so long, then have him go on a big monster tear, leading up to Cena/Lesnar at WM (depending on when he'd be back).

Can't wait to see the guy back.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.75
If memory serves, didn't JR or Johnny Ace talk Lesnar into negotiating his initial contract himself, without the benefit of an agent or attorney?

I always suspected this was why Lesnar got screwed so badly after his departure, with the no-compete clause. I'll bet that gem was buried in page 24 and easily skipped over after the umpteenth "Initial here, please Brock."



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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
I realize Vince has a history with being bitter and vindictive, but for the love of all that is holy he'll hopefully hold back should Lesnar come crawling back. Brock is a bonafide superstar, and probably could've been the defining wrestler of the '00 decade if it wasn't for this missed time. As Spiff said, Brock's heat coming back will be INSANE so it'd be stupid to let that go to waste.

That said, I'll admit I'm a Brock mark. Nothing pissed me off more than the NYC crowd goading him and Goldberg into not giving two shits about their match, and I'll be very pleased to see him back. It's too bad we can't have a real shot at a Brock/Berg dream match now.



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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.16

Summerslam, baby ... Summerslam ...

Brock could be the jolt that the Smackdown roster needs. So many feuds ... Benoit (one that I don't think ever really got resolved), Orton & someday, Batista ...





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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.86
You want to punish Lesnar? Get ready for the hot feud that is bitter veteran Hardcore Holly vs young punk Brock Lesnar, part deux.

Actually, they can just send him back to OVW to shake off the ring rust and job him back and forth down there as an attitude check. But if you wanted to ease him back into the company, let him be a surprise addition to JBL's Cabinet as his new Secretary of Defense and have Lesnar/Jordan run through the tag ranks for a while before peeling Lesnar off to go singles.
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Use him as the "mystery" opponent for a big PPV match to bring him back, and see where that puts him...he knows the NFL isn't an outlet for him anymore, so he shouldn't have that opportunity dangled for him to try again. Stick to wrestling, and let it be done.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.94
    Originally posted by Pizza Delivery Jones
    Who's Brock have to job to first?


The line's probably forming around the block, but I'd go with Cena. He spent the better part of 2002-03 playing the annoying gnat bugging--and jobbing to--Undertaker and Brock, and now he's the top dog and deserves better blowoffs to those rivalries.

I'd rather that all parties put aside the bitterness and use Brock in a way that's best for business, not revenge. But if he's going to be turned into a chunky loser, they should make sure Cena gets a win over him while it would still mean something.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
    Originally posted by PsychoticMidget
    I realize Vince has a history with being bitter and vindictive.


He does? I could've sworn we've seen Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Steve Austin, Jerry Lawler, and Eddie Guerrero recently.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.32
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
      Originally posted by PsychoticMidget
      I realize Vince has a history with being bitter and vindictive.


    He does? I could've sworn we've seen Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Steve Austin, Jerry Lawler, and Eddie Guerrero recently.


Hey, if he doesn't, that's fantastic. Brock coming back can't be marred, even destroyed, by petty feelings such as this. The more of a chance Brock gets to build himself back up to his previous level, the better.



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.61
I do think for this to actually happen, Brock is going to have to make the call to Vince, and not just rely on the internet to get the information to him and waiting for Vince to call him.



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
      Originally posted by PsychoticMidget
      I realize Vince has a history with being bitter and vindictive.


    He does? I could've sworn we've seen Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Steve Austin, Jerry Lawler, and Eddie Guerrero recently.

InVasion angle ring a bell? I'll give you Hogan/Austin/Lawler, but why use Eddie? He never did anything to Vince that would make Vince hate him. And Bischoff has had more than his share of humiliations in the WWE.



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.08
It's hard to say that Vince buried wCw intentionally, because I'm sure he wanted to see that brand take off, just as much as he wanted One Night Stand to be successful. The problem was that he couldn't hold his wad for another twelve months, when the invasion would've actually worked better. Plus nobody really knew just how badly Seattle would turn on Buff and Booker that one fateful night that sent everything into a tailspin.

(edited by Super Shane Spear on 26.6.05 1039)
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.82
    Originally posted by Super Shane Spear
    Plus nobody really knew just how badly Seattle would turn on Buff and Booker that one fateful night that sent everything into a tailspin.

It was Tacoma, not Seattle, but you're right irregardless - no one did know. The only reason I'll disagree with the statement is that Vince should have known that a WCW match main-eventing RAW was not the fans' idea of an invasion angle. They should have had WCW wrestlers interfering in everything for over a month, random faces popping in and out, and should only have done WCW matches on a WCW show. (That's what the Inaugural Brawl was missing, some kind of stipulation and importance, like WCW getting Smackdown or something if they won.) If they had done it this way, I doubt the fans would have turned on WCW like they did, and they would have been able to do the invasion angle the right way (babyface WCW wrestlers fighting for their very survival against the evil heel WWF wrestlers who don't want to give them a chance).

Jed Shaffer examined this issue in his Rewriting the Book series on the Pulse, and aside from the swerve ending, I'd have no qualms with things unfolding just as he suggests.

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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.22
    Originally posted by Texas Kelly
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      Plus nobody really knew just how badly Seattle would turn on Buff and Booker that one fateful night that sent everything into a tailspin.

    It was Tacoma, not Seattle, but you're right irregardless - no one did know. The only reason I'll disagree with the statement is that Vince should have known that a WCW match main-eventing RAW was not the fans' idea of an invasion angle. They should have had WCW wrestlers interfering in everything for over a month, random faces popping in and out, and should only have done WCW matches on a WCW show. (That's what the Inaugural Brawl was missing, some kind of stipulation and importance, like WCW getting Smackdown or something if they won.) If they had done it this way, I doubt the fans would have turned on WCW like they did, and they would have been able to do the invasion angle the right way (babyface WCW wrestlers fighting for their very survival against the evil heel WWF wrestlers who don't want to give them a chance).

    Jed Shaffer examined this issue in his Rewriting the Book series on the Pulse, and aside from the swerve ending, I'd have no qualms with things unfolding just as he suggests.

    (edited by Texas Kelly on 26.6.05 1558)





Actually, WCW knew that Bagwell in a main event as a singles wrestler was less believable than David Arquette, as even as they crashed into the abyss they never gave him a singles title. This is amazing considering how easily title belts were passed around in the last 3 years of the company.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.46
    Originally posted by TexKel
    If they had done it this way, I doubt the fans would have turned on WCW like they did, and they would have been able to do the invasion angle the right way (babyface WCW wrestlers fighting for their very survival against the evil heel WWF wrestlers who don't want to give them a chance).


For their original goal from April-May 2001 of making WCW its own standalone entity, that theoretically should've been a right way. But considering how vociferously WWF crowds turned on any and all mention of WCW, I don't think anyone short of Ric Flair (who was attainable, but nevermind) was going to be able to babyface the brand for the storyline they wanted to do.

As it turns out, the absolute right way for WCW to be depicted -- at least once Vince gave up on his original plans and chose to soft-launch the WCW brand on WWF TV -- was exactly how they were depicted from July 9 through July 22: with WWF wrestlers fighting for their very survival against the evil heel WCW wrestlers who want to take all their jobs and put them out of business. This was the storyline that clicked with the WWF audience, who didn't want WCW around to begin with, so just like Hulk Hogan in 96, Rocky Maivia in 97, etc. they took a major negative as a face and turned it into an even bigger positive as a heel.

Furthermore, once you had WCW as an invading entity, it no longer mattered that they couldn't measure up to the WWF side in a head-to-head comparison of star power, because they were instead carried by the detestable stench of the WCW brand name and the concept of them out to get the WWF. It doesn't need to be complex like a comic book plot with twists and turns and shades of gray on each side, it's as simple as the WCW wrestlers wants to run the WWF out of business and take all their jobs, and WWF has to band together because they've never been threatened like this.

You look at the TV ratings for July and you can see that they were onto something really hot, and of course the buyrate for InVasion with an top heel team of Booker, DDP, Rhyno, and the Dudleys (again, what mattered wasn't the individuals but the collective entity and the concept) more than speaks for itself.

Insted it was somehow decided that the angle still hadn't gotten over, despite, er, getting really over, and after the PPV they changed the tone of TV away from "oh shit we're in big trouble y'all" to business as usual television with the angle 'reimagined' under WWF heel Steve Austin and the Alliance no longer posing any kind of threat, even if the actual threat they had posed the month before was all essentially smoke and mirrors and left to your imagination. This despite the fact that a babyface Steve Austin defending WWF against the invading WCW had blown the roof off in Providence and Cleveland.



Wait, what were we talking about? Oh yeah. Vince is indeed a vindictive dude, but ever since he became omnipotent master of the wrestling universe, the only people he's taken that omnipotence to the vindictive extreme against have been Jeff Jarrett and Lex Luger, due to 1) the nature of how they each left the company, amplified by 2) the fact that unlike some others who he's brought back, neither brings anything to the table that would compel Mr. McMahon to turn the other cheek and at least bring them in for his own amusement.

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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.67
Could just be a negotiating tactic -- or something his lawyers advised him to say, to try & demonstrate good faith.

Of course, if McMahon's XFL adventure had a happier ending, Brock could've been working for Vince all along...

Either way, I don't really condemn Brock for his decisions (aside from deciding to sign that ridiculous contract w/ the WWE). If I were in my early-to-mid 20s, a legitimate athlete with dreams & aspirations beyond play-fighting in tights, and not all that passionate about pro wrestling in the first place... why not try something different? Particularly if you're a new husband/ father and would like to actually be there for your child's upbringing, instead of taking pain meds in another faceless hotel room five days out of a week.

It's not as unreasonable a decision as some people portray it. What WAS unreasonable was choosing to sign a contract that prevents you from working in a particular profession for such a long period of time.



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