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LeBron James and Kevin Love haveagreed to return to the Cavaliers with, respectively, 2-year and 5-year deals worth $47 million and $110 million.

James' deal includes an opt-out clause after next season. *siiiigh*



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James' deal is solely to:

1) Take advantage of the cap spike so he can make mad money.

2) Force the Cavs to make moves to compete.

Stuff like the first thing is why I rank LeBron below MJ, Russell, Bird, Magic, and Duncan. I don't think they'd do #1.



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I rank LBJ number two behind Magic who got his coach fired that lead to Pat fucking Riley. The Cavs' owner is a crazy person, whatever keeps him in check is good for the Cavs and the league. If you think the other players wouldn't jump on a contract like that you are crazy. Reinsdorf would never let Jordan have that power and that is why they will never win a championship after Jordan left.



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And guess what? MJ has proven why it wouldn't be a good idea for him to run those teams through his efforts with the Wizards and Bobcats. And what has Lebron done for the Cavs? Trade Wiggins for Love, when Wiggins is going to be a vastly superior player than Love.

LeBron is first and foremost a business man, which is fine of course, but lets not cool ourselves into thinking he's the best ever. Or near the top, even. Contrast that with the compulsive desire to win of Russell, the homicidal competitiveness of Jordan, that Bird and Magic defined their teams and an era.

Players I rank ahead of LeBron:

1) Jordan.
2) Russell.
3) Duncan/Kareem, with Duncan probably vaulting ahead this year.
5) Magic/Bird, impossible to decide between them.



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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    Stuff like the first thing is why I rank LeBron below MJ, Russell, Bird, Magic, and Duncan. I don't think they'd do #1.
I love how there's this aura around these guys that makes people believe that they weren't playing the game to get paid. If you think that any of the mentioned greats wouldn't have made the same or similar deal with their respective teams under similar circumstances, you're nuts. LeBron James is getting shit on because he wants to get paid like the best player in the league and arguably the most recognizable name in American sports. What a world.

Number 2 is a good thing. It's good for LeBron, it's good for the team, it's good for the league, and most importantly it's good for the Cavs fans. If the team has to stay competitive to keep LeBron, how is that bad?
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    And what has Lebron done for the Cavs? Trade Wiggins for Love, when Wiggins is going to be a vastly superior player than Love.
Anything to back that up? Because I've been looking and I've got nothing. I didn't watch a lot of Wiggins this year, so maybe I'm missing something.
    Originally posted by El Nastio
    LeBron is first and foremost a business man, which is fine of course, but lets not cool ourselves into thinking he's the best ever.
No one here said that LeBron is the GOAT.
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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    And what has Lebron done for the Cavs?

*PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT*

That is insane. Did you not see the basketball wasteland we had here for the 4 years he was gone? Couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, that's how bad they were. With LeBron, they came within 2 games of an NBA Championship. Now with him we have Kyrie and Love for the next 5 years. Wow.

As for the year to year contracts, I seem to recall one Mr Jordan doing the same thing at the end of his career with the Bulls to make a record amount of money. If he can, why not maximize his earnings?




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Not to threadjack, but...
    Originally posted by Stefonics
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      And what has Lebron done for the Cavs? Trade Wiggins for Love, when Wiggins is going to be a vastly superior player than Love.
    Anything to back that up? Because I've been looking and I've got nothing. I didn't watch a lot of Wiggins this year, so maybe I'm missing something.
The reigning rookie of the year is awesome and has made me forgive the team for trading Kevin Love. By the end of THIS season, I expect that I will have completely forgotten Kevin Love existed.*

*exaggeration, but you get the idea



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    Originally posted by whatever
      Originally posted by El Nastio
      And what has Lebron done for the Cavs?

    *PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT*

    That is insane. Did you not see the basketball wasteland we had here for the 4 years he was gone? Couldn't even make the playoffs in the East, that's how bad they were. With LeBron, they came within 2 games of an NBA Championship. Now with him we have Kyrie and Love for the next 5 years. Wow.


I wasn't speaking as LeBron the player, who when he hits that FU mode there is little can stop him. Obviously him alone improves the team. I was speaking of LeBron the Talent Evaluator, who had the Cavs toss away Wiggins + More for Love, plus sign his misc etc buddies. They're also goign to pay an enormous tax bill.

I would rather have Wiggins at a fraction of the price than Kevin Love, because Wiggins is going to be a superduper star.



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    Originally posted by El Nastio
    I wasn't speaking as LeBron the player, who when he hits that FU mode there is little can stop him. Obviously him alone improves the team. I was speaking of LeBron the Talent Evaluator, who had the Cavs toss away Wiggins + More for Love, plus sign his misc etc buddies. They're also goign to pay an enormous tax bill.

    I would rather have Wiggins at a fraction of the price than Kevin Love, because Wiggins is going to be a superduper star.
Okay, that makes more sense then.

Wiggins is going to be great, but the operative words are "going to". Love is already a proven superstar, the Cavs are in win *now* mode, and can't afford to wait for potential. I'll add to that that for Wiggins, would he necessarily be able to develop into the super-duper star he can be next to Lebron in this pressure environment? Probably better for him to develop with the team they're assembling in Minnesota, where he can be the man.

Also remember that "More" in that deal is Anthony "That's right, I was the #1 overall pick!" Bennett. Thank God that experiment is out of here.

His buddies (Miller, Jones, Marion, etc) were needed to turn the culture around and help this extremely young team learn what it takes to win. Yes, that came back to haunt the team in the Finals, but what do you expect when three starters go down for a team? Now with a lot of the dead weight going away and getting some more proven depth (thanks, Mo!), this issue will be addressed.

One big one that I will give you in that department though - Tristan Thompson does not deserve as big of a contract as he's probably going to get. Now there's one that I wish the Cavs would let him see what kind of a deal he can find rather than bid against themselves.

The big tax bill comes with the territory. I have zero sympathy for that aspect. Gilbert knows the importance here.




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