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"Family Sues NFL in Girl's Car Crash

The parents of a girl paralyzed in a car wreck caused by a drunken football fan have sued the National Football League, claiming it should be held responsible for the girl's injuries.

The lawsuit, filed Thursday, contends the league promotes the type of behavior that led the fan to drink 14 beers at a New York Giants game in 1999 and then drive home.

"What the NFL and the Giants are doing is saying is 'we're having a party, so park your car in our back yard, drink as much as you want, come into the stadium and get more wasted, and then drive home,'" Rosemarie Arnold, a lawyer for the family, told The Record of Bergen County in Friday's editions.

Ronald and Fazila Verni were headed home from a pumpkin-picking trip with their 2-year-old daughter Antonia when their car was hit by a truck driven by Daniel Lanzaro, 34. Antonia was paralyzed from the neck down.

Lanzaro, whose blood-alcohol content was nearly three times the legal limit, was sentenced to five years in prison this summer.

He is also a defendant in the lawsuit, initially filed in 2001 but refiled Thursday to include the NFL and its commissioner, Paul Tagliabue. Other defendants include the Giants and Aramark, a company that sells concessions.

Greg Aiello, an NFL spokesman, said the league had not been served with a copy of the lawsuit and could not comment.

Paul Soderman, a lawyer for the Giants, said "it's a tragic incident, but the team and sports authority have no responsibility here."

The NFL forbids beer sales after the third quarter, and the stadium also mandates that fans can buy only two beers at a time. Arnold said Lanzaro sidestepped that rule by giving the vendor a $10 tip and was allowed to buy six beers."

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Now I can see why they should sue the vendors for allowing that $10 for more beers but I really don't see the NFL or the Giants at fault here.



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While I feel for the girl and her family, the NFL itself should not be held accontable for the actions of one fan. That, to me, is like suing the beer company for making beer.




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Or suing the tobacco company for making cigarettes, or McDonalds for making Bic Macs....

I swear- jusges should take more authority to look at some of these cases and just throw them out for their stupidity, rather than taking every little outrageous lawsuit and treating it like a Brown vs. Board of Education....



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Idiotic. So the NFL encourages you to drink and drive, GTA encourages you to go out and shoot someone, and the WWE encourages you to do a piledriver on your sister's head. Right. What my friend said may be true....this country is coming to the point where no one takes responisibility for their own actions.

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(edited by Malfunkshon on 14.10.03 0232)


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Why should people take responsibility for their own actions? As long as there are courts out there that are going to hear these cases, people will continue to sue. I'm with Pool-Boy, until the American justice system stands up and says 'enough is enough' with these nuisance lawsuits they're not going to stop. The potential reward at the end of the tunnel is too much for people to resist.

Maybe adopting a "loser pays" system would discourage some of these jokers from suing when it isn't warranted.
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Simple solution:

Ronald and Fazila Verni vs. Paul Tagliabue and an NY Giant of his choice in a six-pack-on-a-pole match. Loser has to stay the hell out of the courts.

And your special guest referee: "Hey yo..."



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I'll play a little devils advocate here. What is the point and need to sell alcohol at a sporting event. I go to movies all the time, I go to long 3 hour movies many times and there's no need for beer in that environment, But for sports, it needs it? It's just the way it is. I never really got that.

You have stadiums build in the middle of no where, you've got a parking lot full of cars and tailgaters and you have beer flowing like it's water... That seems like a recipe for disaster

At least at bars, the bartender might be able to cut someone off or suggest someone to take a cab home. In stadiums you have vendors and concession stand people passing out the booze to a section of a thousand people.

Maybe because I'm not a drinker at all, but I never understood why alcohol is such a dire need to be in 3 hour sporting events... For me I'm more then happy to pay my ticket, eat my undercooked hot dog and some over-iced cola or stale coffee and watch the game.

Okay I do know why they sell beer. It's because of the $$$. You won't see me tearing up too much for the NFL, they'll make their money back by jacking up a doller for their watered down beer... You know what I'm not playing devil advocate anymore, as I'm writing this I'm feeling it! This is not McDonalds, or tabacco which you hurt yourself. THe NFL and it's teams stick 80,000 people in their staduims, promote tailgate party and heavy drinking then when the clock hits 0:00 everyone spills out onto the roads. If they want the revenue of the pathetic drunks who get loaded in their staduims, they can shill out to the victims who their fans irresponsiblilty effected by getting plastered on their property and encouragment.

(edited by Net Hack Slasher on 13.10.03 0908)


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I'm a believer that you don't penalize everyone for the stupidity and irresponsibility of the minority. The sale of beer at the stadium does not lead directly to drunk driving; if it did, everyone at the stadium would drive home drunk. Since that doesn't happen, you can't say that the NFL is responsible for football fans who drive home drunk. That's a result of irresponsibility of those who do it. The NFL doesn't have people on hand forcing people to drink past the point of intoxication, nor do they do anything to force drunks to drive themselves home; in fact, if I know my liquor laws, I'd bet they've got people on hand trying to ensure they don't sell beer to people who are drunk. There's probably plenty of "don't drink and drive" advertising around as well.

The fact that the availability of alcohol does not directly correlate with the presence of drunk drivers is proof that one does not necessarily equal the other. You need to add the irresponsible nature of the individual to the equation, and that is not something that which the NFL can control. Putting the responsibility for drunk drivers on the shoulders of the NFL only encourages people to behave recklessly, since it lessens the consequences to them of their own actions. If your priority is putting money in the pockets of victims, I guess you blame the NFL. If you actually want to encourage responsiblility in drinking and prevent future accidents, crucify the people who cause them and make others who might drive drunk think twice.
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    Originally posted by Net Hack Slasher
    I'll play a little devils advocate here. What is the point and need to sell alcohol at a sporting event. I go to movies all the time, I go to long 3 hour movies many times and there's no need for beer in that environment, But for sports, it needs it? It's just the way it is. I never really got that.


You're talking about two pastimes with entirely different target markets. Ignoring which, audience participation is a nigh on essential part of football and is often achieved better where alcohol is involved. Folks go to football to cut loose and vociferously support their team, not sit quitely engrossed by the action for 3 straight hours.


    You have stadiums build in the middle of no where, you've got a parking lot full of cars and tailgaters and you have beer flowing like it's water... That seems like a recipe for disaster


Except that, certainly in my limited experience, these stadia have some of the best links to public transport you'll find. So lots of people still choose to drive. There is such a thing as a designated driver. I assume you wouldn't revoke the license of any bar with a car park.


    At least at bars, the bartender might be able to cut someone off or suggest someone to take a cab home.


Thats an awfully, awfully big might. Having worked in bars for nigh on 5 years I can tell you that while it may be possible to keep an eye on everyone on a quiet monday night, its nigh on impossible once the bar fills up. On top of which, given that refusal of service often results in threats of physical violence, theres a heck of a lot of bartenders (in the UK anyway) who'll happily continue to serve folks in the hope that they disappear off into the night before they cause any real trouble.

The fact that the Giants have this 2 beers at a time deal shows that they are in fact going to a lot more trouble than most licensed premises do to curb excessive drinking.


    Maybe because I'm not a drinker at all, but I never understood why alcohol is such a dire need to be in 3 hour sporting events... For me I'm more then happy to pay my ticket, eat my undercooked hot dog and some over-iced cola or stale coffee and watch the game.


Fair play to you, many fans within stadiums across the US doubtless feel the same. But what gives you the right to dictate how I or anyone else enjoys football?


    Okay I do know why they sell beer. It's because of the $$$.


Riiight. You do realise that this is the self same reason that every bar in the US sells beer? Welcome to capitalism.


    You won't see me tearing up too much for the NFL, they'll make their money back by jacking up a doller for their watered down beer.


OK, so on one hand you hate them for getting people drunk, and on the other for watering down their beer. Much better to sell full strength stuff, right?


    You know what I'm not playing devil advocate anymore, as I'm writing this I'm feeling it! This is not McDonalds, or tabacco which you hurt yourself. THe NFL and it's teams stick 80,000 people in their staduims, promote tailgate party and heavy drinking then when the clock hits 0:00 everyone spills out onto the roads. If they want the revenue of the pathetic drunks who get loaded in their staduims, they can shill out to the victims who their fans irresponsiblilty effected by getting plastered on their property and encouragment.


But you know what? It is McD's. It is tobacco. Tobacco companies encourage you to smoke. McD's encourages you to eat unhealthily. But anyone with half a brain knows that doing these things to excess is, well, a bad thing.

So football teams want you to drink at a game. So what? Lets even pretend for a second that they didn't openly condemn drink driving and make efforts to limit excessive drinking. Lets pretend theres no public transport and that everyone drives one seater cars by themselves to the stadium. Hell lets pretend that the NFL has been running a 6 month campaign openly condoning drink driving in the build up to the new season.

You know what?

It. Still. Doesn't. Matter.

Because at the end of the day, anyone whose old enough to drink is old enough to know that drinking and driving kills.

If they know that and still do it, then they don't deserve to be on the streets.

And just imagine for a second if by some miracle the NFL loses this case. Does that mean its then OK for the driver to sue them too for forcing him to spend time in jail? After all, it was them that made him do the crime....

(edited by dMr on 14.10.03 1242)


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    Originally posted by Pool-Boy
    Or suing the tobacco company for making cigarettes, or McDonalds for making Bic Macs....

    I swear- jusges should take more authority to look at some of these cases and just throw them out for their stupidity, rather than taking every little outrageous lawsuit and treating it like a Brown vs. Board of Education....


This lawsuit is completely different. The tobacco industry was sued not for making cigarettes, but for lying about their contents/effects. The McDonalds lawsuit I never heard a conclusion for, but that one would be comparable to this. This lawsuit and the McLawsuit were founded on the dodging of responsibility, the tobacco one was founded on the enforcment of it...
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They sell beer at the movie theater I go to. COLD BEER and KILL BILL go good together!!!!!
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