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#41 Posted on
Congress has no such power. Can't make it any simpler than that.



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#42 Posted on

    Originally posted by Grimis
    1792: Passage of the federal Militia Act, which defines ``militia'' as all able-bodied white male citizens ages 18 to 45 -- not as a small National Guard-like group. Constitutional amendments passed after the Civil War eliminate the racial restriction.



Was the sex restriction ever amended then, or is it not legal for a woman to own a gun??

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#43 Posted on

    Originally posted by ekedolphin
    God, it'd be a dirty case of irony if the tax dollars gained from taxing the hell out of legal marijuana went into improving the school system.

    I'd keep marijuana illegal myself. I just don't see any benefit to legalized marijuana. If marijuana's legal, who's to say they'll stop there? Next thing you know people will be screaming to legalize cocaine, acid, crack, ecstacy, and all that. Hell, why don't we just legalize murder while we're at it, too?



No, because marijuana has been shown to at least have some sort of medical benefit. It was criminalized as part of an incredibly racist wave of fear (I'd link to the article, but I can't find it... it was in an issue of Maxim earlier this year), and the current War on Drugs was started by Nixon so he'd have a platform to run on (after his campaign to crack down on violent crime failed because he didn't have the power to do anything). As far as ecstasy goes, I did write a paper recommending that it at least be rescheduled to see if it has any theraputic benefits, but the rest of those drugs should remain illegal. Hell, you think pot would still be illegal if there was a marijuana lobby? Legalizing, taxing, and regulating would cut down on illegal dealing of other drugs, help out some terminally or critically ill cancer patients, and provide billions of dollars. In a way, it's weird to subsidize schools and such with drug money, but that's exactly the situation with alcohol and tobacco, which aren't much better, if not more damaging than marijuana.
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#44 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Tom Dean
    Congress has no such power. Can't make it any simpler than that.


No please. Tell me how the world works Mr. Man. It's not like I don't have a couple of degrees in this stuff...oh wait, yeah I do.
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#45 Posted on
Yeah, I have twelve degrees in it, ok? Why don't you call up your ninth grade civics teacher and ask him/her if Congress has the power to interpret the Constitution.



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#46 Posted on
I am not some political expert and don't often feel the need to express my believes but this just rubs me the wrong way. A good example are some things that Freeway420 posted.


    Originally posted by Freeway420


    The fact is that the rest of the world can bitch and complain all they want about foreign policy and whatnot, but you'd notice that it's only RICH countries that bash the USA, because the majority of the smaller countries are dependant on the US and their allies for trade. Trade = Money = Power. The US & Canada pretty much control trade, which means they have all the power.

    So, in closing, the rest of the world owes us big-time.



First of all, along with Canada UK and the USA, the rest of Europe is listed pretty darn high as well. I am pretty sure the whole of Scandinavia is higher on the list than at least one of the three countries you named.

Rich countries indeed 'bash' the USA because they have the power to complain. The smaller countries..no, let's call them the poor countries are too dependant on countries like the USA AND the European Community (don't worry..we are just as bad) to open their mouths.
In other words, they are tied and not in a position to raise a voice or they get fucked by the big dogs.

I don't believe the USA has the right to tell what's right and what's not to the rest of the world because 'we owe them'. WW2? I think the Russians did about as much as the Americans to liberate Europe and stop Germany.

Yes, the Marshall plan was great and helped Europe regain much of its economic strength and welfare, but ofcourse this was something that America could profit from. Without Europe as partner the US economy wouldn't be where it is today.

In general, statements like 'you owe us' 'we made you' 'only we have true freedom'and 'without us there wouldn't be...' are exactly the reason that so many people really do have a problem with America.
The boasting and bragging and pushing their opinion onto other countries/people just rubs alot of nations the wrong way. There is nothing wrong with being proud and wanting to help/guide/lead but you can take things too far, which is exactly what the USA does on some occasions.
A true world leader does not ignore the United Nations, an organisation which it helped found , but tries to make it work instead of pointing at others saying 'if they don't do it, we don't have to do it either!'

Nobody is waiting for any country to act like it is better than another, everybody should try and work together (I know, a very naieve p.o.v. but heh) and only when people understand that will this hatred between nations and races disappear.

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#47 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by Tom Dean
    Yeah, I have twelve degrees in it, ok? Why don't you call up your ninth grade civics teacher and ask him/her if Congress has the power to interpret the Constitution.


Maybe you should read what I said before putting words into my mouth. I said "enforce constitutional amendments" not "interpret." Remember the 15th Amendment? Please read the following from Cornell's online law library.

Amendment XV

Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any state on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.


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#48 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    "Six countries who more or less owe their existence to the US"

    Allow me to be the first British guy to remind you that your glorious country wouldn't, you know, EXIST without Britain. So really, we created you as a back-up plan in case something like WWII happened. WE ARE THE SMARTEST RACE ALIVE!!

    (And if you can't see the attempted humour dripping off the sentence above, I gots no TIME for ya...although yes, we DID sow the seeds of America).



ehhh. Chris Columbus had more to do with it than England in my opinion. England just sent their poor and repressed masses here. Oh, and their criminals too. Georgia was their penil (sp?) colony. Then when we broke off the british empire, they set their sights on Australia to send their unwanted...

so, looking at it like you did, we sowed the seeds of australia, so you all owe us, by crikie!



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First off, the 15th Amendment may have such a clause, but the 2nd doesn't, so that's completely irrelevant.

But the really important thing is that you need to understand what "interpret" means. "Interpret" means "decide the meaning of the wording." Congress can make laws to protect what the Bill of Rights guarantees, as determined by the Supreme Court. But it can't itself decide what those guarantees are. You are mixing these two concepts together. They are different.

If you really do have a degree in any sort of political science and can't understand this (much less think that something in the 15th Amendment is relevant to the 2nd), I pity you. Just go find a Supreme Court decision where it says it's an individual right. There are probably dozens, to be honest. It's just amusing to me because you are one of these political obsessive who are 100% locked into a certain position, and I'm a moderate, so it's fun to see you flail around and make stuff up rather than re-examine your zealot beliefs.



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#50 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29
    Originally posted by Tom Dean
    First off, the 15th Amendment may have such a clause, but the 2nd doesn't, so that's completely irrelevant.

    But the really important thing is that you need to understand what "interpret" means. "Interpret" means "decide the meaning of the wording." Congress can make laws to protect what the Bill of Rights guarantees, as determined by the Supreme Court. But it can't itself decide what those guarantees are. You are mixing these two concepts together. They are different.

    If you really do have a degree in any sort of political science and can't understand this (much less think that something in the 15th Amendment is relevant to the 2nd), I pity you. Just go find a Supreme Court decision where it says it's an individual right. There are probably dozens, to be honest. It's just amusing to me because you are one of these political obsessive who are 100% locked into a certain position, and I'm a moderate, so it's fun to see you flail around and make stuff up rather than re-examine your zealot beliefs.



It's sad that you consistently come back to "interpret" when I come back to "enforce.

Anyway, no you're one of those middle of the road types who don't give a damn about the issues of this country. Whether your a liberal activist or a conservative activist trying to make the country better is certainly sitting in the middle of the road, too timid to make a stand.

I am locked into no position. I have reexamined my views lots of times. But I know one thing; the pursuit of freedom is not zealotry. And if it you think it is, then I'm sorry you don't appreciate the freedom you have in this country.

EDIT: Congress also makes it a point to pass legislation to combat Supreme Court judicial activism and when the court really screws up. Please see the attempts to end slavery after the Dred Scott decision in 1857.

(edited by Grimis on 10.9.02 1232)
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#51 Posted on
May I just applaud what dMp said earlier in this thread. You hit the nail right on the head. Had Russia not been busy taking shit and defending their borders like the Smirnoff-swilling motherfuckers that they are, ALL of us would be speaking German. American involvement would have had some sway, but without those SERIOUSLY divided German forces it would have only been delaying the inevitable. So why don't we all pander to Russia as the police of the world?

Ya know what, Grimis? You do whatever the Hell you want with YOUR country. If you're so keen on keeping that divide in place and proclaiming America as the greatest place in the world, then you keep it that way. Kick people out for badmouthing you? Go for it. Beat the piss out of protestors who rally against the prez? Hey, it's your home. Hell, start up lynch mobs for all I give a damn. It's on American soil. But as you are so so fond of crowing, America is America, American soil with it's own great laws and it's own gosh-darn-it great freedoms. Keep 'em to yourself. Stop acting like you're the big kid in the playground with the right to push everyone else around and LEAVE evryone else to their own devices. Until Saddam starts hurling his shit at you, you keep the fuck out. Just like in WWII, you wait til it's directly affected your country to get involved. Because otherwise you are no worse than any other invasion, be it the Nazis running over Poland or our forces storming unabated through the Falklands. We are civilised society. Let's act like it instead of letting our arrogance override our IQs.




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#52 Posted on

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Ya know what, Grimis? You do whatever the Hell you want with YOUR country. If you're so keen on keeping that divide in place and proclaiming America as the greatest place in the world, then you keep it that way. Kick people out for badmouthing you? Go for it. Beat the piss out of protestors who rally against the prez? Hey, it's your home. Hell, start up lynch mobs for all I give a damn. It's on American soil. But as you are so so fond of crowing, America is America, American soil with it's own great laws and it's own gosh-darn-it great freedoms. Keep 'em to yourself. Stop acting like you're the big kid in the playground with the right to push everyone else around and LEAVE evryone else to their own devices. Until Saddam starts hurling his shit at you, you keep the fuck out. Just like in WWII, you wait til it's directly affected your country to get involved. Because otherwise you are no worse than any other invasion, be it the Nazis running over Poland or our forces storming unabated through the Falklands. We are civilised society. Let's act like it instead of letting our arrogance override our IQs.


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#53 Posted on
I know this subject has been dropped with the 2nd ammendment arguement and whether the US should be the worlds police. But I need to say a few things about the terrorists attacks on the US on 9-11.
First OBL main arguement is not Palestine. It's that he wants all infidels out of Saudi Arabia. Now is it right for anyone to say that all people of another religion is not allowed in their country? Or is it only racist if white/Europeans people do it?Second what ever his reasons the attacks were cowardly. They could have used a Fed-Ex plane and accomplished the same damn thing. The only difference is that they wouldn't have paasengers on board.
Third the WTC was not a fucking military target! I can't stress this enough. The Pentagon and the probable attempt on the White House were but not the WTC.
Fourth they were directly targetting civilains. There was not "collateral damage" they wanted to kill civilains. The US has been sloppy over the years and maybe they just didn't give a shit who they killed. But they never went out of their way to kill civilains. I am all for the US fixing it's fucked up foreign policies. And for the Palestenian's to get their own country. But all countries need to willing to actually compromise. I am sorry but no one can get everything they want.



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#54 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Ya know what, Grimis? You do whatever the Hell you want with YOUR country. If you're so keen on keeping that divide in place and proclaiming America as the greatest place in the world, then you keep it that way.


So you're saying this is not the greatest place in the world? What's better Zimbabwe? Saudi Arabia? Iran? You know, those well known bastions of liberty and freedom.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Kick people out for badmouthing you? Go for it.


(Shakes head in disbelief that yet another liberal is unable to understand)


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Beat the piss out of protestors who rally against the prez? Hey, it's your home.


Stop misrepresenting what I said. I said that if they were nonviolent protestors, I couldn't give a shit. But please, destroy mobocracy.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Hell, start up lynch mobs for all I give a damn. It's on American soil. But as you are so so fond of crowing, America is America, American soil with it's own great laws and it's own gosh-darn-it great freedoms. Keep 'em to yourself.


Jesus christ man...


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Stop acting like you're the big kid in the playground with the right to push everyone else around and LEAVE evryone else to their own devices. Until Saddam starts hurling his shit at you, you keep the fuck out.


That's what I SAID.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Just like in WWII, you wait til it's directly affected your country to get involved. Because otherwise you are no worse than any other invasion, be it the Nazis running over Poland or our forces storming unabated through the Falklands. We are civilised society.


Sure we are. That's why our liberties are being eroded and why some morons find it necessary to protest violently instead of peacefully.


    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    Let's act like it instead of letting our arrogance override our IQs.


Pot...kettle...black.
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#55 Posted on
No country built upon the slave trade and a government that lies about every bad move they make deserves to be known as the best country in the world. No country should even look upon that as something to boast about, because as in all walks of life, being the best involves a Hell of a lot of modesty. And if you're full of enough shit to strut around proclaiming that you're the best country in the world, then you've got another problem, as pointed out: ARROGANCE.

"That's why our liberties are being eroded and why some morons find it necessary to protest violently instead of peacefully."

Yeah, coz the answer to violence is always MORE VIOENCE! And sure, YOUR liberties are the most important in the world, they DEFINATELY come above the lives of everyone else out there.

But ya know what? I don't give a fuck. You go and act like an ass and call everybody who disagrees with you "liberal". I live in England, so I really don't give a crap. I was just trying to have a debate and inject my view point.




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#56 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.29

    Originally posted by oldschoolhero
    No country built upon the slave trade and a government that lies about every bad move they make deserves to be known as the best country in the world.


But enough about England....

Actually I have a great amount of respect for the English because of the way they fought the war before we got into it. As opposed to the French, of which we saved their asses and they still hate us for it.

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#57 Posted on
Just so it's clear: I have a completely baseless hatred for the French, French Canadians, and Texas. So I usually don't find myself defending the French, but isn't it possible that they dislike America for other things besides bailing them out during wartime?

Hell, my grandmother's brothers found the French to be quite polite and thankful after WWII.

-Jag

But of course when I think of everything America's done wrong, "Saving the French" sits on the top of MY list. So why shouldn't French people feel the same way as me?



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#58 Posted on
Originally posted by oldschoolhero No country built upon the slave trade and a government that lies about every bad move they make deserves to be known as the best country in the world. No country should even look upon that as something to boast about, because as in all walks of life, being the best involves a Hell of a lot of modesty. And if you're full of enough shit to strut around proclaiming that you're the best country in the world, then you've got another problem, as pointed out: ARROGANCE.

I can't believe that someone from England said that. You seem like a fairly smart guy even if I don't 100% agree with your political opinions but hey I don't agree with anyone's 100%.
But come on. Get real here.
1. England founded the US.
2. England founded the first US settlement in 1632.
3. America was a colony for over 140 years and there were slaves almost that entire time.
4. England didn't ban slavery until 1821 I think but more than 30 years after the US left the "empire".
5. In the ACW England gave guns and gun powder to the CSA.
Now obviously Elizabeth and all those Georges and Henrys didn't mind slavery when it made them money. Like just about every country in the world throughout time. Slavery disapeared (more or less) in the world because it's not economically viable.
About the US proclaiming itself the best I agree it's annoying. Americans should stop it. But I guess that all you Brits weren't arrogant under old Vicky were you? Or the French from 1900 to 1939? The citizens of the "best" country or more accurately the most powerful act that way.

(edited by Dahak on 13.9.02 1851)

(edited by Dahak on 13.9.02 1854)

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#59 Posted on
Totally different, buddy. I'm fully aware of the horrible shit that our country is built on. I don't strut around proclaiming my country to be the land of the free and the greatest country in the world. And you'll find that there's a Hell of a lot more humility in Britain today than there is in America. I don't disagree with you, our country was full of arrogance. We're not today, though. Unlike many, many Americans.

I truly believe that my country is a great place to live, as is America. But both have problems. Neither are a shining example of paradise. And it sure would be nice if certain people here admitted that and accepted that, just like every other country, just like England, America makes just as many mistakes and has faults.




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