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Gavintzu
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Since: 2.1.02
From: Calgary ... Alberta Canada

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In the last thread about global warming, the nay-sayers and ostrich-head-in-sand people argued "global warming is natural. It's been happening for thousands of years. Humans are just along for the ride." Well nah nah to you.

Click Here to read all about George Dubya Bush's report on the environment.

A few selected quotes:

"For the first time, the administration puts most of the blame for recent warming on human activity, pointing to the burning of fossil fuel that releases carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere ..."

``Human-induced warming and associated sea level rises are expected to continue through the 21st century ... (s)econdary effects ... include increases in rainfall rates and increased susceptibility of semiarid regions to drought.''

"In the United States, changes over the next few decades are expected to put Southeastern coastal communities at greater risk of storm surges, prompt more uncomfortable heat waves in cities and reduce snowpack and water supplies in the West."

If an oilman like Dubya can come around and admit what's happening, there is some hope after all. Well, except for the whole "voluntary reduction of emissions" plan that is sure to work so well. Big corporations care about the environment -- like they care about their workers and care about the bottom line. Oh wait, I put that list in the wrong order.

Edit: Well I guess a leopard can't change his spots after all. Dubya has dismissed his own administration's report on climate change.

" 'I read the report put out by the bureaucracy,' Bush said dismissively Tuesday when asked about the EPA report, adding that he still opposes the Kyoto treaty."

The oilman knows better than EPA and NASA scientists I guess.





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Human arrogance is astounding. Yes, all these things are happening, but why is it we have to always assume it's becauseof us? We've has technology for almost 150-200 years. Out planet is 4 billion years old. Our Earth has slowly been warming up since the ice age, and nobody seems to get the fact that we've had machines for less time than mother nature has stopped to blink in her entire lifespam.




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Since: 7.1.02
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In the 70's, many scientists thought there was going to be another Ice Age. Scientists can be wrong. And besides, I'm sure back then many scientists disagee, just like right now, many scientists disagree with the conventional wisdom that is global warning. They just don't get any press, and probably not as much money either. I think many scientific theories are more based on what will get the most grant money instead of real, true science.



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Since: 13.3.02
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If you don't think human pollution can affect mother nature, go visit a strip mine sometime, or better yet chernobyl. We as a species are capable of fucking things up in a very short amount of time. Even if it isn't human activity that's causing global warming, aren't the consequences of it MAYBE causing global warming enough to slow us down a little?

Imagine you go to your doctor. He tells you that at your current, high-paying job, you perform a task that around 75 percent to 80 percent of medical experts believe will lead to gene contamination which would inevitably cause mental retardation along your family line. Maybe not in your children's generation, but the chance will exponentially grow in further generations. 20 to 25 percent of medical experts believe that we can't discern whether or not this is true. The question is this, would you stay at that high paying job and possibly endanger future generations? Or would you take a lower paying job?



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People who use hypotheticals to support their arguments tend to have very weak arguments. ;-)



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Since: 6.1.02
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No. People who attack an arguments style instead of its substance tend to have very weak arguments (of course, I may have just thrown little self-contradiction into MY argument).

Besides, it was an analogy, not a hypothetical.

EDIT: because I had to look at the post I was arguing against to learn how spell argument.



(edited by MoeGates on 9.6.02 1540)

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Since: 13.3.02
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#7 Posted on

    Originally posted by CRZ
    People who use hypotheticals to support their arguments tend to have very weak arguments. ;-)


Even if you didn't like my analogy, I basically stated the meat and potatoes of how I feel above it. The analogy, I think, fits though. It's not like I'm pulling shit out of left field, like trying to compare environmental issues to Star Wars or the WWE.



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#8 Posted on

    Originally posted by astrobstrd

    It's not like I'm pulling shit out of left field, like trying to compare environmental issues to Star Wars or the WWE.



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