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Kinda hard to believe that it was ONLY a decade ago that Kurt (a)shot himself or (b)Courtney got rid of him; depending on what you want to believe. Damn, time flies. I remember seeing Nirvana here for the In Utero tour just 2 months before it happened, they were way better live then recorded.

Funny, the only thing I can think of saying is that FILTER summed it up best with the lyric 'Hey, man, nice shot'.

Geesh.

I guess I didn't feel the same way about Nirvana as I did about Joy Division; now THERE'S a group that would have changed the entire american music scene if Ian hadn't offed himself just as they were about to come over to the states for an American tour.

Nirvana just got lucky, the way I see it.



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    Originally posted by Cerebus

    I guess I didn't feel the same way about Nirvana as I did about Joy Division; now THERE'S a group that would have changed the entire american music scene if Ian hadn't offed himself just as they were about to come over to the states for an American tour.

    Nirvana just got lucky, the way I see it.



Hey, aren't you the guy complaining about being "unloved" in another thread? And do you think that posting something like, "Nirvana just got lucky, the way I see it," on the anniversary of Cobain's death is going to help?"

It sorta sounds like a troll, see.

But taking it on the up-and-up, you could also say the Beatles got lucky. Or the Clash and the Sex Pistols got lucky. Influencing a musical generation is all about luck and showing up with the right music at the right time. Joy Division, while brilliant, wasn't going to change the world of the 80s the way Nirvana did the world of the 90s. If it were that easy, the Pixies would have done it in the years before Nirvana hit. Joy Division's brand of "morose" was ahead of its time, I think.

(You could argue for Depeche Mode, but they were more "genre defining" than "genre transcending")

Anyone with a decent voice, decent writing, and sufficient promotional machine behind them can sell records. To influence the world they way Nirvana or the Beatles did takes, above all things, a healthy dose of luck.




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Of course one could also argue that Sonic Youth could've changed the world too. But Terrance Trent D'Arby could've too, and I don't see anybody yearning back to that.

The announcement of Cobain's death was one of those few moments when I remember exactly where I was when I found out.



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Well, I gotta know now, where were you Grimis?

Where I was is well documented on my poor excuse for a blog.

I remember thinking *that* was going to be the "Where were you when Kennedy was shot?" moment for our generation. I hated being wrong on that one as well.

FYI: The Filter song wasn't about Cobain, but was actually about that politician in (was it) Pennsylvania (I forget his name - I made my highball too strong) who killed himself on live TV. You may have seen him in "Bowling for Columbine" or one of a billion knockoffs of "Faces of Death".




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Another addition to my endless list of "Ways you can tell you're getting old":

When you can think back to something that happened and say, "Damn, has it been 10 years ALREADY?"

Damn.



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I know the song wasn't about him, but to many of my friends as well as myself, it somes up pretty much ANYONE who offs themselves with a gun.

The politician was named R. Bud Dwyer, a Pennsylvania State Treasurer who killed himself live on TV during a press conference. He had just been through a trial, I believe, where he was found guilty of accepting over $4 Million dollars in bribes.



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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Another addition to my endless list of "Ways you can tell you're getting old":

    When you can think back to something that happened and say, "Damn, has it been 10 years ALREADY?"

    Damn.


No, no. That just means you've led a full and active life and haven't noticed the time fly by. You should use moments like that to reflect on the youthful zest for life which has seen you get so far so quickly.

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It's been 11 years since my brother passed. Somedays, it still seems like last week.

I'm not sure where I was WHEN it was announced that Kurt had died, but when I was told, I was in the Shetland Isles, attending my cousin's 21st birthday party.






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I only found out it was 10 years when we had 15 calls for the Kurt and Cortney movie.

Movie doesn't get a rent for over 2 years, and then is in super high demand. I wonder if they're going to re-release it. I couldn't order more copies as our distributor was out of stock.




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I wasn't into music (odd as that sounds) until I hit high school, so I probably treated the day of Cobain's death as just another day.

I do wish, however, that he had lived...just so Nirvana could've faded into obscurity like every other Seattle band (Pearl Jam excluded) and we wouldn't have had to listen to all of this "Cobain was the next Lennon" horseshit for the rest of time. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were the real talents that blossomed out of the grunge era, with honourable mention to bands like Mudhoney and the Pixies whose music I'm not too familiar with but I recognize their influence. Nirvana took rock music a step backwards, not forwards.



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It's funny, cause when Nirvana first hit, I was no older than 11, and never really was into pop culture besides what my parents were into. So I was watching on MTV and saw 'Teen Spirit', ran upstairs acting like I knew it all, and told my stepdad that the new Tom Petty video was on. Took me a good few months to realize that Kurt Cobain wasn't the same guy who did 'Damn the Torpedoes'.

Culturally, I feel Nirvana is extremely overrated. The media hypes up this romantic good versus evil story, about how Nirvana single handedly destroyed all those evil decadent hair bands and brought America the new philosophy of Substance over style. Okay, what the hell happened? Rock music, hmmm, I see nothing but a bunch of groups writing songs for Mastercard and Diet Pepsi. 'Gen X'ers', 'Gen Y'ers'? Hmmm well, when your 40 'Something In The Way' might encourage you to buy a Jaguar, if you live to be 70 'Territorial pissings' will almost certainly be used by Depends. I don't know if these yuppies try to live vicariously through the band in order to bring substance to their life and this shallow bubblegum culture, but when your write or deliver some long drawn monologue about the deep impact of Kurt Cobain and turn around and give your predictions for American Idol, your shooting yourself in the foot. For which, I'm very sure you will sue.

Musically, hey i got all their CD's, I dig the early 90's rock scene, just as I enjoyed early 70's rock. Oddly enough, Layne Staley, whose voice and HIS lyrics I thought were much better died two years ago on this day as well, and did you hear a thing about that?
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.24
    Originally posted by rikidozan
    I only found out it was 10 years when we had 15 calls for the Kurt and Cortney movie.

    Movie doesn't get a rent for over 2 years, and then is in super high demand. I wonder if they're going to re-release it. I couldn't order more copies as our distributor was out of stock.


If you're talking about the Kurt and Courtney documentary, check out Walgreens, you may be able to find it for 6 bucks. I got a copy from there, I should probably watch it.




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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were the real talents that blossomed out of the grunge era, with honourable mention to bands like Mudhoney and the Pixies whose music I'm not too familiar with but I recognize their influence. Nirvana took rock music a step backwards, not forwards.


(this part is fact, lol)
First of all, let's set the record straight. The Pixies were an eighties band, as far as time frame goes. And they were from BOSTON. About as far from Seattle as you can get and stay in the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixies

(this part is opinion)
SOUNDGARDEN?!?!?!? The real talent? OK. Before I get upset about this. Do you mean as far as the singing ability, musicianship, etc. If so, OK, you have a valid argument (not that I agree). But I think this topic is more about creativity, genre defining, substance, cultural relevance and overall influence. Soundgarden doesn't hold a candle anywhere near Nirvana as far as that stuff goes. Pearl Jam, yeah maybe. But not Soundgarden.

And Mudhoney...everyone gives all these props to Mudhoney and I really think it's simply because they were the band that "did not make it" out of the scene. Even the guys IN the grunge scene do this. I read an interview with the lead singer from Mudhoney and Eddie Vedder (Spin magazing I think) and Vedder was talking about how he kinda wished they had never signed to a lable so they could have stayed true and never been influenced by corporate music - just like Mudhoney. What did the guy from Mudhoney say in reply? "Yeah, and I wish I could have had just ONE of those paychecks you got for being influenced by corporate music." So, it's not like they are some band that never got big cause they didn't want to sell out. Have you heard there records? There is a reason they did not make it.



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UGH, I could care less that Cobain shot himself, or if that whore of a wife of his did it for him. Either way, he is dead, I was never impressed with thier music, and IMO far more talented musicians never get a break that Nirvana did.




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    Originally posted by DJ Ran
    Well, I gotta know now, where were you Grimis
I was in the 9th grade, and we were on the way to Camden Yards for an O's/Rangers game when they announced it on the radio in the car.



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I was at work when my boss' son, who was 11-12-ish at the time, called and said his friend with a police scanner heard that they had found a body at Kurt Cobain's house. That was 20 minutes before the local Seattle rock station (I think it was KXRX at the time, I miss that station) said anything about it, so of course we thought they were just being stupid kids.

I'll always remember the pic they showed in the paper through the house window, where you could see his foot in a Chuck Taylor All-Star and the butt end of the rifle.



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    Originally posted by The Amazing Salami
    The Pixies were an eighties band, as far as time frame goes.


Nirvana formed one year after the Pixies did (Pixies in '86, Nirvana in '87) so the distinction there is reeeally slight. The gap widens a bit when you consider Come on Pilgrim came out in '87, Blew and Bleach in '89, but it's still too close to call the Pixies a straight-up '80s band by comparison.


    And they were from BOSTON.


Hahaha yeah they were!


    Soundgarden doesn't hold a candle anywhere near Nirvana as far as that stuff goes. Pearl Jam, yeah maybe. But not Soundgarden.


This is certainly a matter of opinion, because I agree with others that Soundgarden is the best band to come out of the whole Pacific Northwest thing -- the most talent and the least self-loathing, and the band dynamic was just awesome. For me, of the commercially successful bands, it's 1) Soundgarden 2) Alice in Chains 3) Nirvana 4) Pearl Jam. Pearl Jam just don't appeal to me personally -- I think they're really more of a guy's band. Nirvana lost its luster once Cobain committed suicide and I honestly haven't listened to any of their albums since 1994. And I would choose the Fastbacks and Flop over all of these bands (except Soundgarden) but they're more my kind of "thing."

It's sad that Alice in Chains tend to get lost in these types of discussions. I think they'd get more respect if Columbia hadn't been trotting out their rotted corpse for the last five years to milk every last dime they could out of their existing output.


    And Mudhoney...everyone gives all these props to Mudhoney and I really think it's simply because they were the band that "did not make it" out of the scene.


It's either them or the Melvins. Or Young Fresh Fellows. Or TAD. Or ...



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    Originally posted by Big Bad
    I wasn't into music (odd as that sounds) until I hit high school, so I probably treated the day of Cobain's death as just another day.

    I do wish, however, that he had lived...just so Nirvana could've faded into obscurity like every other Seattle band (Pearl Jam excluded) and we wouldn't have had to listen to all of this "Cobain was the next Lennon" horseshit for the rest of time. Soundgarden and Pearl Jam were the real talents that blossomed out of the grunge era, with honourable mention to bands like Mudhoney and the Pixies whose music I'm not too familiar with but I recognize their influence. Nirvana took rock music a step backwards, not forwards.


While I don't think they took anything backwards, I do think Nirvana was overrated to a degree. I mean really they had one awesome album, one ok one and that's pretty much all that's worth talking about. Earlier this year I had this urge to relive my younger days and pulled out all my Pearl Jam and Nirvana stuff and while listening to it I realized Pearl Jam was so much better overall. Some of the songs they did are almost timeless. Just really awesome stuff that still plays well today. Nirvana...well I still dug a few of their songs but a lot of the rest came across as screaming with no real substance. I remember back then that I got sick of hearing Nirvana stuff after a while but never tired of Pearl Jam songs. Just my take.

Maybe I'm just getting old. Anyway, all this emotion over Cobain seems overdone to me. Comparing Nirvana to the Beatles? Yeah, I'm not down with that at all. As for Soundgarden, yeah they were good. I guess I just wasn't as into them as the other two though.
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I was probably the last person going to college at the time who knew that day...4 a.m. the Saturday AFTER they found him was when I finally found out.

It was because that day happened to coincide with the first date I ended up having with a girl I ended up seeing for a while at the time. So for the vast majority of that day I was anywhere but somewhere I would have found out. I wasn't in front of a TV, the radio wasn't on, movie theaters and diners at 2 am don't have news updates for the most part.

So I got home around 4-ish and couldn't sleep, so I flipped around until I stumbled on MTV and the part where I think it was David Fricke from Rolling Stone who said "These are your kids" with a picture of Kurt in the background was the first thing I saw/heard. I was guessing overdose (because of the heroin stories that were all around him) until about 5 minutes later when they said "shotgun".

After that and piecing together what happened, I was up for at least another hour in disbeleief. I guess what Nirvana meant to me at the time was that you didn't have to have an uber-polish in order to play on the big stage and it could BE more about heart and feel than skill. So in that respect they were an influence.





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Not that it really matters

The Pixies first record (as noted above) came out in 1987. Their seminal work was Surfer Rosa, 1988. Their last LP came out in 1991 (if you don't count Death to the Pixies, etc). Their best work came in the 80's and they were toast by the time the 90's got rolling. That's why, to me, they are an 80's band.

Nirvana's first album came out in 1989 (as noted above). BUT their seminal work was Nevermind which came out in 1991 - the same year that the LAST Pixies record came out. Their last LP came out in 1994. Their best work came in the 90's and they played until the mid-90's (and would have played longer). That's why, to me, they are a 90's band.

For obvious reasons, Nirvana only recorded until 1994, so their tenure was only three years longer. But when you consider Nirvana's breakthrough came at the same time as the Pixies death knell, it's hard for me to call them contemporaries. Had Nirvana continued, they would have 80-90% of there catalog after the Pixies quit.

I guess I should have clarified my thinking on the "best band" thing. Here's my list.

According to Musical Talent, Listenability, IMHO. This is how I would rank the bands if music were experienced in a vacuum with no social connotation.
1. Alice in Chains
2. Soundgarden
3. Pearl Jam
4. Nirvana

According to Influence, substance, cultural relevance, IMHO. This is how I would rank the bands as a graduate of the Class of 1996 - or through my experience and what my perceptions of the experiences of others(the only other way I know how).
1. Nirvana
2. Pearl Jam
3. Alice in Chains
4. Soundgarden



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