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|  #21 Posted on 16.8.09 1145.04 | Instant Rating: 8.31 | Originally posted by TheBucsFan
EDIT: Removed some stuff. CRZ's post below was directed at me.
You wrote it before I could.
Originally posted by rv581
Liability is too great to do anything else. Angle wasn't just doing drugs, wasn't just on the juice -- he was stalking a female co-worker who also works for TNA.
This isn't me saying that Kurt Angle doesn't do drugs, but there's nothing in this story about Kurt Angle doing drugs that aren't growth hormone.
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Should Rhaka Khan show up at a TNA arena, does that mean Angle automatically goes to jail for showing up at work?
I don't think it works like a WWE TV restraining order where you can't advance to the ring past the top of the ramp. | CajunMan
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| #22 Posted on 16.8.09 1608.13 | Instant Rating: 0.79 | Refresh my memory here, When Kurt was in WWE on a Euro trip didn't he(Kurt) go on a roid rage in the hotel room too, or was it just Randy Orton? For some reason I thought Angle was prone to trouble while in the WWE which was why he(Kurt) was asked to leave?
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| #23 Posted on 16.8.09 1725.12 | Instant Rating: 6.44 | For what it's worth, Borash said on Twitter that Morgan vs Sting vs Angle will be the final match tonight, with no hint that Angle wouldn't be a part of the match.
He also mentioned that Kevin Thorn and Chris Harris are backstage at the PPV (along with Jay Lethal's parents and Kevin Nash's son. (Speaking of which, doesn't he already have a built in feud with Dominic Mysterio?)) | lotjx
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| #24 Posted on 16.8.09 1829.13 | Instant Rating: 2.32 | | I have a feeling now that the AP has picked up the story, they have to at least take the title off of him. I also agree with the Roger Goddell option of making an example of him. WWE half-asses with their off the field test even the drug tests are a bit fishy to me. It maybe an eye opener for people to take stock when the lead guy for the organization gets taken down. It may or may not get people to re-think their current positions in their life. Either way, him walking out tonight with the belt and sweeping it under the table would be the worse thing the company could do. If JJ is out for off the field crap then Kurt needs that walk as well. We may see the end of the MEM tonight which at this point is a good thing. TNA has to view this as an opportunity like Ausitn at KOTR and Steve going down at Survivor Series for Rock, Foley, HHH and others to be huge stars. | JustinShapiro
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| #25 Posted on 16.8.09 1917.21 | Instant Rating: 8.31 |
I also agree with the Roger Goddell option of making an example of him.
The difference is that the NFL actually wants its employees to be clean, model citizens. | CRZ
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| #26 Posted on 16.8.09 2003.43 | Instant Rating: 8.42 | Originally posted by JustinShapiro
I also agree with the Roger Goddell option of making an example of him.
The difference is that the NFL actually wants its employees to be clean, model citizens.
I have to disagree - much like the big-time wrestling leagues, I believe the NFL would happily settle for them just not getting caught.
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| #27 Posted on 16.8.09 2245.38 | Instant Rating: 6.57 | Originally posted by CRZ
Originally posted by JustinShapiro
I also agree with the Roger Goddell option of making an example of him.
The difference is that the NFL actually wants its employees to be clean, model citizens.
I have to disagree - much like the big-time wrestling leagues, I believe the NFL would happily settle for them just not getting caught.
especially the ones using all the PEDS that keep them playing every week.
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| #28 Posted on 16.8.09 2341.08 | Instant Rating: 4.97 | Well, after Hard Justice ... so much for making an example of Angle. *facepalm*
"The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" | TheBucsFan
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|  #29 Posted on 17.8.09 0125.11 | Instant Rating: 2.13 | I am absolutely astonished that Angle kept the title tonight. This has to be one of the stupidest decisions a promotion has ever made. It is so obvious that something absolutely terrible is going to happen to Angle or somebody else under TNA's watch because of they will look the other way for THIS from their *world champion* then what won't they tolerate?
I mean, I imagine what happened this weekend would make Angle unemployable in WWE's eyes. And he's TNA's world champion. Amazing. | odessasteps
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| #30 Posted on 17.8.09 0137.17 | Instant Rating: 6.57 | Originally posted by TheBucsFan
I am absolutely astonished that Angle kept the title tonight. This has to be one of the stupidest decisions a promotion has ever made. It is so obvious that something absolutely terrible is going to happen to Angle or somebody else under TNA's watch because of they will look the other way for THIS from their *world champion* then what won't they tolerate?
I mean, I imagine what happened this weekend would make Angle unemployable in WWE's eyes. And he's TNA's world champion. Amazing.
There apparently is a school of thought (to which I do not subscribe) that if you took away "angle's title," given everything else that happened, it might make him MORE LIKELY to possibly do something tragic.
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| #31 Posted on 17.8.09 0145.12 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | Originally posted by TheBucsFan
I mean, I imagine what happened this weekend would make Angle unemployable in WWE's eyes.
I doubt that very much. Steve Austin's domestic abuse arrest didn't keep him from appearing in WWE afterward.
This is not me defending either Angle or TNA's decision, by the way; I am very disappointed in both.
(But not surprised. Wrestling companies are always pretty quick to circle the wagons.)
Originally posted by TheBucsFan
[If] they will look the other way for THIS from their *world champion* then what won't they tolerate?
They won't tolerate someone sleeping with the champion's ex-wife.
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|  #32 Posted on 17.8.09 0213.28 | Instant Rating: 6.12 | Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
Originally posted by TheBucsFan
I mean, I imagine what happened this weekend would make Angle unemployable in WWE's eyes.
I doubt that very much. Steve Austin's domestic abuse arrest didn't keep him from appearing in WWE afterward.
--K
(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 16.8.09 2348)
Yeah, but that didn't involve being arrested with syringes and HGH (prescription or not) in his car.
Basically that is no different than alcohol, but it will be perceived in a different way.
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| #33 Posted on 17.8.09 0459.54 | Instant Rating: 2.13 | Originally posted by dMp
Originally posted by Karlos the Jackal
Originally posted by TheBucsFan
I mean, I imagine what happened this weekend would make Angle unemployable in WWE's eyes.
I doubt that very much. Steve Austin's domestic abuse arrest didn't keep him from appearing in WWE afterward.
--K
(edited by Karlos the Jackal on 16.8.09 2348)
Yeah, but that didn't involve being arrested with syringes and HGH (prescription or not) in his car.
Basically that is no different than alcohol, but it will be perceived in a different way.
Also, I don't mean "never employable again." At the very least, if he were in WWE right now he would have been suspended indefinitely. He certainly would have lost the title. | Karlos the Jackal
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| #34 Posted on 17.8.09 0558.35 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | Originally posted by TheBucsFan
Also, I don't mean "never employable again." At the very least, if he were in WWE right now he would have been suspended indefinitely. He certainly would have lost the title.
Ah, okay. Yeah, I think that's likely.
(I dunno if it falls under the category of "moral high ground" or "smarter about sweeping things under the rug," though.)
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| #35 Posted on 17.8.09 0644.56 | Instant Rating: 6.44 | Of course, there is the whole fact that Kurt Angle hasn't actually been *convicted* of anything. Perhaps TNA is following that whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit.
There's also that whole deal where they're taping episodes of Impact today and tomorrow. Maybe they thought that having Kurt Angle hold the title for an extra day or two wasn't going to destroy the company.
But I am going to agree with everyone else. Based on my limited third hand knowledge of the situation, TNA will likely lose their TV deal when Kurt Angle commits suicide on air in a couple of weeks. (Because, you know, TNA probably wouldn't be smart enough to realize they could have edited it out of the video.) | JustinShapiro
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| #36 Posted on 17.8.09 1119.48 | Instant Rating: 8.31 | | Through the trees there is a forest. | Hokienautic
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| #37 Posted on 17.8.09 1123.31 | Instant Rating: 1.24 | Originally posted by JustinShapiro
Through the trees there is a forest.
And in the forest, Kurt Angle is hiding behind a tree while Rhaka Khan walks past. ;-) | geemoney
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| #38 Posted on 17.8.09 1255.32 | Instant Rating: 7.35 | Originally posted by InVerse
Of course, there is the whole fact that Kurt Angle hasn't actually been *convicted* of anything. Perhaps TNA is following that whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit.
You also have to figure TNA would keep Angle on a short leash given his past of, well, being crazy and having drug issues in his past. | Karlos the Jackal
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| #39 Posted on 17.8.09 1331.13 | Instant Rating: 8.00 | Originally posted by InVerse
Of course, there is the whole fact that Kurt Angle hasn't actually been *convicted* of anything. Perhaps TNA is following that whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit.
Which I agree with as far as Angle keeping his job or something like that, something with actual real-world effect. But taking the belt off him until the situation resolves one way or the other seems smart to me, even just from the standpoint of how seriously the company is perceived (by both others in the company and by outsiders -- fans, media, etc.) to view these sorts of issues.
(Also, I had forgotten that Impact tapes tonight and tomorrow -- good point there, too.)
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|  #40 Posted on 17.8.09 1410.32 | Instant Rating: 2.81 | If he drops the title on Impact, it will reach a much wider audience. But it doesn't really matter. If there's smoke there's usually fire, but I don't see how this is any worse than what Austin did, and many, many people on this very board lined up to defend him then. We know a lot more about what happened there than we do about Angle's situation, up to and including Debra's bruised back, but Austin's a legend, and was back on TV stunnering Stacy Keibler within months. Heck, wasn't that around the time he took his ball and went home? Seems like a comparable mental breakdown.
Obviously the Benoit situation has altered the scope through which all of this is now seen media-wise, but I think it is naivete of staggering proportions to believe that TNA would get positive media buzz off removing the title from Angle. It's still pro wrestling, and the media will cover this as "another potential crazy wrestler on roids" and if anything, will mention disciplinary action by management as one line in a story---if that.
So yeah, in a world that turned a blind eye to Austin and Jimmy Snuka...who did a lot worse than stalk his girlfriend back in '83...Nancy Argentino if you want to look that story up...I don't find this to be particularly baffling or out of joint. Especially as nothing's been proven yet.
And he was acquitted of his DUI, by the way.
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