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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.35
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http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/



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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.12
    Originally posted by the article
    Kyle Doss, an African-American, told TMZ he and some friends were in the cheap seats and he was playfully heckling Richards when suddenly, the comedian lost it.


Let me say first of all that Mr. Richards was wrong to use racist language in his tirade. Nothing I say below is meant to contradict that.

But why would anyone pay to see (or even go to see, if it was free) a performance with the purpose of heckeling the commedian? Same thing goes for sports stars: Why would you pay for a ticket just to show up and boo A-Rod or Barry Bonds (or whomever)?

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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.06
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
      Originally posted by the article
      Kyle Doss, an African-American, told TMZ he and some friends were in the cheap seats and he was playfully heckling Richards when suddenly, the comedian lost it.


    Let me say first of all that Mr. Richards was wrong to use racist language in his tirade. Nothing I say below is meant to contradict that.

    But why would anyone pay to see (or even go to see, if it was free) a performance with the purpose of heckeling the commedian? Same thing goes for sports stars: Why would you pay for a ticket just to show up and boo A-Rod or Barry Bonds (or whomever)?

    If you don't like the show, just leave. Don't be a self-important jackass who has to affect everyone else's enjoyment of the show.

I could be wrong, but isn't heckling sort of a tradition in stand-up comedy? If the person on stage is bombing (and from some reports, Richards was), people will heckle. Comedians expect it. Good comedians will shut the heckler down with a witty retort. And yes, some people pay to go to comedy clubs to have the "honor" of being the heckler in the spotlight. It's not a God-given right or anything, it's just something that happens.

That said, I don't think we'll be seeing Michael Richards in public for a long, long time.

(edited by SchippeWreck on 20.11.06 1140)


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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.70
Jerry Seinfeld has already spoken out:

http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/seinfeld-on-kramer-tirade-im-sick/

As for the hecklers, yes, it's a long-standing part of stand-up comedy. However, there's a difference between heckling and being disruptive. The story goes that the guys Richards was calling out were being disruptive all through his show. But of course, he made a terrible choice in going down the road he did.

This won't affect him as much as what happened with Mel Gibson. For one, he's not exactly doing much these days anyway. And two, he was on-stage and tried to incorporate it into his act. And three, he's not the first non-black to utter the words while doing a stand-up routine and trying to incite a reaction. So I think over time, most people won't even find out that this happened. It'll be on the news for a few days and nothing more, I'll bet. This is the first time he's done anything newsworthy since Seinfeld.




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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.75

latimes.com has a story up about the incident (You have to register to read it). Here are a couple quotes:

    Originally posted by comedian Paul Rodriguez (who was there when it all went down)
    Once the word comes out of your mouth and you don't happen to be African-American, then you have a whole lot of explaining. Freedom of speech has its limitations and I think Michael Richards found those limitations. [...] I kept expecting a punch line. It didn't come.

    Originally posted by veteran publicist Michael Levine
    Comics often face hecklers without losing their cool. [I've] never seen anything like this [in] my life. I think it's a career ruiner for him. ... It's going to be a long road back for him, if at all.

    Originally posted by comedian George Lopez
    The question is you have an actor who is trying to be a comedian who doesn't know what to do when an audience is disruptive. He's an actor whose show has been off the air, he shouldn't ever be on a stand-up gig.




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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.84
George Lopez needs to do his homework. Richards was a comic in the late 70s early 80s, I believe, and I think he even opened for Billy Crystal and some others. He should know how to handle hecklers and disruptions.

This was simply a bizarre incident. Every time I watch it, it looks like he's going for some sort of an awful, horrible, tasteless joke, but there's no punchline. Then the crowd turns on him, and he loses it even more. Just a classic meltdown of incredible proportions.
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.87
    Originally posted by chill
    This won't affect him as much as what happened with Mel Gibson.


I haven't heard much news about it. It happened last Friday. There won't be the coverage there was for the Mel Gibson thing, because Jews have a lot more media influence than Black people do. However, make no mistake: this is a million times worse than the Gibson thing.

For one, Gibson was trashed when he said what he said. There's a lot of debate over whether alcohol can make you say things you don't mean, but that entirely depends on what type of alcoholic you are. Many alcoholics are "allergic alkeys", who are allergic to wheat and rye, or other sugars, grapes, and grains alcohol is made from. These are the types who "overcome" their inability to process it by drinking excessive amounts and they usually have vicious hangovers. Their allergies cause alterations in brain chemistry; these types lean toward significant personality changes when they drink. So it is at least plausible that Gibson isn't an anti-Semite in his sober state (though I wouldn't put money on it).

This is really quite different. Richards is stone-cold sober here, was merely being heckled, which is par for the course if you're a comedian, and exploded with a racist diatribe. In front of a lot of fucking people. He's got no excuses whatsoever.

I'm never watching Seinfeld again.



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Thing is, you really don't get to see what the heckler's said to him to make him go off like that, so it's really one side of the story. Not condoning his actions, but it must have been something bad to set him off like that.

I've read that he's apologizing via satellite tonight on Letterman.

And I'm not prepared to swear off "Seinfeld" just because of one person's one-time unfortunate rantings.



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    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    There won't be the coverage there was for the Mel Gibson thing, because Jews have a lot more media influence than Black people do.


I suppose that we should be lucky that Rodney King was black, not Jewish, because we'd never hear the end of THAT, right? It WILL be a bigger story because there is VIDEO, where there wasn't any of Mel Gibson, not because of a "Jew vs. black-who has more media influence"-type of thing.

I thought he kept TRYING to turn it into a comedy moment, what with his "there are still some words that get you"-turn, but the one (apparently) black guy started in on him and instead of just trying to end it Richards kept it going. Big mistake, there, by Richards.

He was likely wearing some "Bad Idea"-jeans at the time.



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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.62
For one, Gibson was trashed when he said what he said. There's a lot of debate over whether alcohol can make you say things you don't mean, but that entirely depends on what type of alcoholic you are.

Many alcoholics are "allergic alkeys", who are allergic to wheat and rye, or other sugars, grapes, and grains alcohol is made from. These are the types who "overcome" their inability to process it by drinking excessive amounts and they usually have vicious hangovers.

Their allergies cause alterations in brain chemistry; these types lean toward significant personality changes when they drink. So it is at least plausible that Gibson isn't an anti-Semite in his sober state (though I wouldn't put money on it).


There is no drunk in the world that ain't saying exactly what is on his mind. Some phrase it better, that's all

I suppose that we should be lucky that Rodney King was black, not Jewish, because we'd never hear the end of THAT, right? It WILL be a bigger story because there is VIDEO, where there wasn't any of Mel Gibson, not because of a "Jew vs. black-who has more media influence"-type of thing.

I thought he kept TRYING to turn it into a comedy moment, what with his "there are still some words that get you"-turn, but the one (apparently) black guy started in on him and instead of just trying to end it Richards kept it going. Big mistake, there, by Richards.

He was likely wearing some "Bad Idea"-jeans at the time.


It's obviously a conspiracy by Seinfeld and Bill Cosby to get the "shock" comics banned from the clubs. The modern comics are nothing but "nigger" and "faggot" every other word - and cuss Dane Cook for having an audience. Not that I think Cook is funny, but not many comics are.

Look how many of them blew a load over "The Aristocrats". When a comic has to tell you why shit is funny, it ain't funny. Actually, when a comic has to tell you why, etc. it's hilarious, but not on a level they understand

The point is - do you think Richards would have made it on Letterman any other way? Or that Seinfeld would have anything interesting to say? What did you know and when did you know it?

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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.79
For some reason this seems like it came out of the 'Andy Kaufman: Please look at me as I need attention' handbook, and, it seems to have worked, as Richards has received the most attention he's had in 5 years.
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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.66
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    I'm never watching Seinfeld again.


Why?

Who exactly are you punishing?
This show stopped production in 1998. In 2006, one actor from the show has a meltdown.
Unless you have a ratings diary or box, nobody will know except you.
Do you not watch "Naked Gun" movies because OJ was in them?

Is it a boycott or is it because you just can't watch Michael Richards the same way again?

It's amazing how much power the "N" word has. I don't think there is any other word in our language in America today that causes such an uproar when uttered in a public setting. In a society with seemingly no taboos- this is a big one.

I hope he apologizes and offers some kind of explanation, though I don't know what that could possibly be.



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Someone clear this up for me: in rap music, the performers call themselves nigger, and it's not swearing, but when a white person uses it, it's racist?

I don't get it.

As an old friend of mine says, someone must have cock-a-doodle-doo'ed in his corn flakes. Man, that's insane.



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Richards is on with Letterman right now and he is obviously freaked out and busted up about this. He lost it and he's sorry. I think he said "for me to flip out and to say this crap... I am deeply, deeply sorry"



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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.80
    Originally posted by Oliver
    Someone clear this up for me: in rap music, the performers call themselves nigger, and it's not swearing, but when a white person uses it, it's racist?

    I don't get it.

    As an old friend of mine says, someone must have cock-a-doodle-doo'ed in his corn flakes. Man, that's insane.


(sigh).... White people for a long time (and still do_ meant that word in a VERY bad way. Let's just say in my community, for a white person to use it, it evokes bad memories. Believe me, when I was running from some white guys about 12 yrs ago who were chasing after me with bats and they were calling me that, it wasn't because they wanted to be friends. Let's just be cool with saying there just one word you can't use. I mean, you have so much as a race, can't you just follow that one thing when around black people?

As a black man, it bothers me when that word is used PERIOD because slurs like "nigger", "kike" and "chick" shouldn't even exist. But when a black person uses it (and, sadly, I've used it around black friends) it's a term of endearment.

Actually, a white friend of mine asked the same question and I looked at him and said "Why would you want to use that word".

I don't want to crucify the guy, but man, why would he even choose those words. That comes from a dark, dark place. Same with Gibson. And same as if a black comic disparaged gays (something which Eddie Griffin has done and that's just as bad too).



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.38
    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver

    As a black man, it bothers me when that word is used PERIOD because slurs like "nigger", "kike" and "chick" shouldn't even exist.

I understand (not necessarily agree with) almost everything you say, except this.

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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.29
[quote DirtyMikeSeaverI don't want to crucify the guy, but man, why would he even choose those words. That comes from a dark, dark place. Same with Gibson. And same as if a black comic disparaged gays (something which Eddie Griffin has done and that's just as bad too).


Not quite sure if it needs to come from a dark place.
Let's face it, everyone hears/knows the bad things that can be said about any race/religion/sexual preference/bodysize/haircolor etc.

When you flip out, you will always fall back on those cliches.
Four-eyes, fat ass..they are considered innocent but can be just as painful to people with glasses or who are overweight.
The moment you lose control over what you say you will start calling those people that, or worse.

I haven't been able to check the clip yet, and I am sure what Richards says goes beyond that, and that's horrible.
But I disagree that it *always* has to be some hidden dark desire to hate on people that are different from you.





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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.52
    Originally posted by Hogan's My Dad
    There won't be the coverage there was for the Mel Gibson thing, because Jews have a lot more media influence than Black people do.


Orrrrrrrr because Mel Gibson is much more famous than Michael Richards.


    I'm never watching Seinfeld again.


Well there are no more episodes to be watched so you're at a stalemate.

    Originally posted by Oliver
    but when a white person uses it, it's racist? I don't get it.


Dude.

    Originally posted by Michael Seaver
    slurs like "nigger", "kike" and "chick" shouldn't even exist


... dude? Wait, you probably meant chink.

(edited by JustinShapiro on 21.11.06 0332)
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.57
    Originally posted by Mr. Boffo
    But why would anyone pay to see (or even go to see, if it was free) a performance with the purpose of heckeling the commedian? Same thing goes for sports stars: Why would you pay for a ticket just to show up and boo A-Rod or Barry Bonds (or whomever)?

    If you don't like the show, just leave. Don't be a self-important jackass who has to affect everyone else's enjoyment of the show.


Well I didn't read the whole article but nothing in the quote you produced suggested they went there with the purpose of heckling. Do we even know if Richards was the main attraction? Maybe they stayed because there was someone on after him. Maybe they stayed because they spent the money and wanted to watch the whole show. I don't leave a bad movie because it's bad, since I've paid for it I'm going to stay for the end.

Heckling happens in stand-up if you can't handle it don't do it. Being playfully heckled shouldn't make Richards act like that. But he has apologized for it as far as I'm concerned it's over, let's move on.



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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.80
    Originally posted by RYDER FAKIN
    The point is - do you think Richards would have made it on Letterman any other way? Or that Seinfeld would have anything interesting to say?


What prompted that kind of paranoid delusion? What do they have a DVD coming out or something?




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