Just finished watching Nash's recent shoot interview with RF Video and thought it might make for a good discussion. Based on his talk of it, it was done a little after the McMahon Explosion storyline but BEFORE the Benoit stuff. It's an OK interview, but a bit annoying because Nash has such a too-cool-for-school attitude that he makes him come off like a douche at some points. Quick recap of the bigger points...
EARLY/WCW -Dusty Rhodes came up with the Oz character. Nash didn't get it because Oz is geographical region...not a person. THE WIZARD is OF Oz, not Oz itself. Thinks to this day it was a rib to test his passion. Nash says Oz was well-liked by HBK and what initially attracted HBK's attention to him. -Tells a story of how he and Harley Race were pulled over by the cops and Harley just saying, "I'm Harley Race." and driving away. -Fanagled his way out of his contract by claiming that his wife would leave him if he didn't quit wrestling. Which promptly got him his release papers from WCW -- which he then sent to JJ Dillon over at the WWF...from WCW's office FAX machine. Says Vince was much bigger than he thought he would be when he first met him.
WWF -The boys were on Bret's side when Hogan didn't want to work with him at KOTR 93. Hogan wasn't well-liked at the time. -Vince no-sold the stress of the steroid trial in front of the boys. He even no-sold the pain he was in when he had his neck fusion surgery. -He would try and tell a story being on the outside during HBK's matches by sneaking up to an opponent only to be caught by the ref, then finally laying one in. Said he enjoyed being the factor that determined the finish of a match. -HBK smartened him up to a lot of things about how to conduct yourself in the WWF and just overall wrestling knowledge. -The Clique began because HBK, X-Pac, Hall and Nash would all ride together and just talk business and he learned from HBK and Hall as to why certain things worked or didn't in a match. Eventually HHH joined as the group's designated driver. Says HHH is one of the sweetest guys ever and comes from a good family with good morals and HHH couldn't care less about other people's programs. HHH doesn't wake up and say, "Who can I screw over today?" Said the Clique used to up a "Clique Only" sign on one of the locker rooms just to piss off the boys for fun. -Said he was in Europe was the Bruise Brothers (aka The Harris Twins/Creative Control/Blu Brothers) beat-up HBK. "Apparently Shawn was being Shawn and they got sick of it." -Brisco wanted him to do more chain wrestling, but that he didn't think it made a lot of sense considering his size. -Told a story about Pierre Carl Oullette not wanting to job in Montreal but wanting Nash to take a count-out. This lead to an argument where Oullette backed down after Nash said, "If I get up, I'm not going to stop until I've beaten you to death. It's not going to be like three punches and you say you're done." -Says he had a great time working with Bret and had no problems putting him over in matches. Says Bret was a character-driven wrestler, and so it made sense to Nash for the Hitman to be able to take him apart. -Said he got the feeling HBK would try and show him up during their WM match because HBK was very hungry and wanted the belt. Says he leaned his weight on HBK at some points to slow him down and try and work him. -Says the hardcore match they had at Good Friends, Better Enemies probably influenced some ECW stuff. -Says Shane Douglas was touted as something special from ECW, but really wasn't. Said X-Pac was the barometer to tell whether or not a guy was good in the ring and after a bad match with Douglas came back and said "This guy doesn't have it." Says Douglas' claim that Hall would sandbag him in their matches is false because Hall would never do that to someone. Tells a story about how Hall were drunk and even then he never sandbagged Nash. -Says Chris Candido was a stooge because Tammy Sytch/Sunny was sleeping with half the locker room and he ran around acting like he didn't know. -Vince OK'd the Curtain Call at MSG so he didn't know why anyone got pissed about it. Felt bad that HHH was the one who wound up taking all the heat for it. Now the boys knew they could tak advantage without the Clique being around. -Said he left the WWF only for money and lesser dates and because WCW was always a whacked-out environment.
WCW -The 3rd nWo member was supposed to be Sting, not Hogan. But Hogan is the smartest guy ever because he saw where the business was going and slid into the spot. -The WCW party scene was the whole reason he went to TV tapings. -DDP getting the better of the nWo was meant to be a thank you from Hall and Nash to DDP for all he had done for them early on in their careers. -Said he slapped Piper to the ground backstage after Piper changed up the plan of a match during the match, which surprised him because he thought Piper was a badass. -The Horseman had no problem with the parody the nWo did of them and were all laughing about it when it was over. Only when Arn's family started to stir Arn about it did it become an issue. -He wasn't booking yet when he beat Goldberg for the belt and they did everything they could to protect Goldberg in the match. Goldberg was dumb and injured himself when they had scheduled that he was go through the nWo and get the belt back. Overall takes issue with the idea he booked WCW into the ground because it wasn't like there were other factors going on at the time which led to WCW's office becoming more messed up. -The smarks loathe the "Finger Poke of Doom" because the set-up worked exactly how it was supposed to in order to suck them in and swerve them...and they hate that they were fooled so well. -Says Standards & Practices would sit in with them during booking meetings and nix ideas they thought were to risque. So that left them with nothing but comedy bits, which didn't work. -Thinks Bret's heart for the business was broken after Montreal and WCW completely wasted him. Nash says he would have put the belt on Hart right away and just fed him heel program after heel program. Thinks Montreal is a work -- at least partly -- because Vince would never allow himself to be filmed on ANY camera if he had been legitimately beat up. -Said HBK jumping ship to WCW never even crossed HBK's mind (which contradicts what HBK says in his book). -Didn't bother to show up for the last Nitro.
RETURN TO WWF/E -Said the nWo could have worked, but knew it wouldn't last when Hogan was being cheered over Rock during their face-to-face on RAW. Thinks something like the nWo could work again eventually with the right combo of hungry young talent. -Understood putting Rock and Austin over because they were the ones who saved the company when it was failing and should be the ones to go over, not the guys who almost put them out of business. Thinks Austin was a bit heartbroken as well. -Didn't mind jobbing to Jericho and offered to do it on PPV but the office didn't care. No one raised a stink about him cutting his hair. -Isn't surprised at HHH's rise to power because he learned "from the masters" and that you can't decide who you fall in love with (which Nash says in a tone and manner that gives the impression he thinks the marriage is BS...just my opinion).
TNA -Thinks things will greatly improve when TNA gets a 2nd hour. -Alex Shelley is the future of the business. -Enjoys teaching the young guys it's not about flip-flop moves but psychology. -Says the internet fans have no clue what they're talking about when they judge a match or workrate, especially since its so subjective. How would they know about workrate if they've never been in a match? -Enjoys his life with his wife and kid and doesn't care to take wrestling seriously anymore.
Concludes by saying that he wished he worked with the Iron Sheik. Also, when asked what he thinks of Honkytonk Man burying him on the internet, he responds with "Who?" Then asks "Who did HTM ever beat? Not me..."
Sorry if this is long, but like I said, I thought it'd make for good discussion. Nash notes that ne never took any drugs until he got into the business and that he did steroids early on in his career but didn't need them as he was big enough already.
Thanks for typing it up; it's relatively interesting depending on how much of a Snake Oil Sales Man you think Nash is. However, aside from the hard-to-accept statement that he wasn't booking by December, considering Hogan did his fake walk out in protest in November '98,
He wasn't booking yet when he beat Goldberg for the belt and they did everything they could to protect Goldberg in the match. Goldberg was dumb and injured himself when they had scheduled that he was go through the nWo and get the belt back.
is either quite the lie or a huge memory lapse, and I saw him do the same thing in a Torch Talk and Wade was oblivious. He's forgotten an entire YEAR and conflates Goldberg losing the belt at the end of 1998 with Goldberg getting hurt with the window stunt at the beginning of 2000.
-Tells a story of how he and Harley Race were pulled over by the cops and Harley just saying, "I'm Harley Race." and driving away.
Had Race added a "bitch" in that statement, he would have officially predated Dave Chappelle by a good ten-plus years.
-The smarks loathe the "Finger Poke of Doom" because the set-up worked exactly how it was supposed to in order to suck them in and swerve them...and they hate that they were fooled so well.
The ratings for Nitro after that night speak for themselves. Evidently, it wasn't just the "smarks" that hated it.
Thinks Montreal is a work -- at least partly -- because Vince would never allow himself to be filmed on ANY camera if he had been legitimately beat up.
This is actually an interesting statement. Vince is way too big an egomaniac to allow taped footage of himself getting popped in the mouth to exist. Of course, it could be that Vince felt that he really did owe Bret a free shot. I'm not sure what to think of this one, but it's an interesting quote.
-Enjoys teaching the young guys it's not about flip-flop moves but psychology.
I won't argue this point, as it's perfectly valid. But it's hard to fit psychology into a wrestling match when Vince Russo constantly gives these guys less than five minutes to have a match.
A good interview, but I agree with Justin. There are an awful lot of whoppers spread throughout.
The Wisdom of Homsar: Oh no! You shanked my Jengaship!
His 'Fingerpoke of Doom' comment made me laugh: 'sucked people in'?...I just remember thinking that the whole NWO storyline had gone back to square one because they had (clearly) painted themselves into a corner.
I like the idea of Waltman being a barometer for new workers.
Don't worry. Vince will come back and straighten everything out. He's the real hero. At this point, why even have a World Heavyweight title when the champ and the contender are just out there, watching along with all the others?