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http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8241536/wrestling-star-kevin-nash-making-headway-hollywoo



So....delusional old timer or windbag money mark?

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Very interesting interview. I liked how he gave specific dollar amounts for his net worth and expected future cash flow.
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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.27
I remember seeing a shoot interview where Kevin Nash had charts and graphs showing he was a more successful champ than Austin and Hogan. I think a lot of it had to do with inflation or the WWE not spending a ton of money in the 90s. Whatever the reason, he is the Ross Perot of wrestling when it comes to economics of himself.



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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.28
He came along at the right time. I'm not sure he gets that far these days with only one big company and a full on internet presence.

His ability to work the system in his favor has always been impressive.


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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.25
Read it and weep, fella


Sounds like Kevin and the writer just hung out together all day long. Kinda weird if they dont already know each other (maybe they do?).

I remember reading an old dirtsheet website interview with him in 2000-ish where he said he's really cheap and was still driving the Ford Bronco he paid cash for with his 1994 SummerSlam payoff check. Most of that interview dealt with how frugal/smart he'd been with his money up to that point, or that's how I remember it anyway.

The other thing that stuck with me about THIS interview was his criticisms of putting Eddie & Benoit in the main event. I dont know about his "the business died after they hugged at WM20" comment though. He went on to talk about how he feels the same way about Punk & D-Bryan being in the main event now because they're not "larger than life". Maybe I'm late to the party, but I think this is why Vince loves big guys so much. Not just because their big, but because as Kevin put it:


    You put two fucking guys that were great workers that were the same height as the fucking referees, and I'm sorry, man. Are you going to watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch dick? Even if you're not gay, you will not watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch dick. That's not the standard in porno films. So you put a 5-foot-7 guy as your world champion."

    He has the same problem with today's Internet heroes, Phil "CM Punk" Brooks and Bryan "Daniel Bryan" Danielson.

    "They are not bigger than life," he says. "I bet they could both walk through airports and not be noticed unless they have a gimmick shirt on and the belt."


I happened to love Punk and Bryan and I also think Punk pulls off "larger than life" pretty well, but I get what he's trying to say even if I dont necessarily agree with it.



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#6 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.28

    His ability to work the system in his favor has always been impressive.


As exhibited by this interview!

I hurt my eyes from rolling too much reading that article. Not just Nash, but the author's contention that Nash had broken from the wrestler turned actor mold by trying out for parts in big movies was as silly as anything else.

To pick anything else out at random, let's go with the first paragraph


    Minutes later, Paul "Triple H" Levesque pinned Nash. It was a worthy swan song. Backstage, Nash ran into Vince McMahon. "I think we saved your best for last," the WWE chairman and CEO told him.


Nash would've gotten slightly different feedback if he had lowered himself to visit this thread:


    This had its moments, but for the most part, it was really dull.



    HHH and Nash tried but HHH is in the worst shape of his career and Nash is 52 years old. The Nash chokeslam on HHH was hilarious as he got no lift and HHH just couldn't get up in the air. The pedigree was horribly botched. The crowd was into some big spots in that match but was quiet the rest of the time.



    The ladder match was a snore-fest.



    I thought TLC was wall-to-wall awesome - just about the best show in ages. I even enjoyed HHH/Nash.



    Match wasn't very good - Nash moves in slow motion, but it was no worse than anyone was expecting. The blown pedigree was pretty bad. I did enjoy the ladder-assisted figure four leglock, that was a first.



    a plodding immobile bore (Trips/Nash)


I think 2012 Nash definitely would've gotten a look from WWE and made it to FCW because they still love that look. (Andy Levine.) He just wouldn't have gotten all the chances; his fault or not, he would've been seen as not good enough after Master Blaster and Oz and disappeared, not given another chance as Vinny Vegas and another company wouldn't have paid him money to jump.



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#7 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I remember seeing a shoot interview where Kevin Nash had charts and graphs showing he was a more successful champ than Austin and Hogan. I think a lot of it had to do with inflation or the WWE not spending a ton of money in the 90s. Whatever the reason, he is the Ross Perot of wrestling when it comes to economics of himself.


Sounds like the comedy bits he was doing with Alex Shelley in TNA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fob4r2N-upg

Not really a shoot.
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The most revealing part of this interview was finding out that Kevin Nash was Super Shredder in Secret of the Ooze.

How did I now know this before?
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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.41
    Originally posted by wannaberockstar
    The most revealing part of this interview was finding out that Kevin Nash was Super Shredder in Secret of the Ooze.

    How did I now know this before?


You missed when CM Punk called Nash "Super Shredder" on RAW last year, thus making my 2nd favorite Nash-related moment ever? (Following when Jericho beat Nash in a Hair match.)



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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    The other thing that stuck with me about THIS interview was his criticisms of putting Eddie & Benoit in the main event. I dont know about his "the business died after they hugged at WM20" comment though. He went on to talk about how he feels the same way about Punk & D-Bryan being in the main event now because they're not "larger than life". Maybe I'm late to the party, but I think this is why Vince loves big guys so much. Not just because their big, but because as Kevin put it:


      You put two fucking guys that were great workers that were the same height as the fucking referees, and I'm sorry, man. Are you going to watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch dick? Even if you're not gay, you will not watch a porno movie with a guy with a three-inch dick. That's not the standard in porno films. So you put a 5-foot-7 guy as your world champion."

      He has the same problem with today's Internet heroes, Phil "CM Punk" Brooks and Bryan "Daniel Bryan" Danielson.

      "They are not bigger than life," he says. "I bet they could both walk through airports and not be noticed unless they have a gimmick shirt on and the belt."


    I happened to love Punk and Bryan and I also think Punk pulls off "larger than life" pretty well, but I get what he's trying to say even if I dont necessarily agree with it.


Typical nonsense from a big-man wrestler who only got in the door in the first place because of his size. Nash was just in a damn movie with Tom Cruise, so he should realize that 'larger-than-life' isn't a literal term.



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#11 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.95
    Originally posted by Big Bad
    Typical nonsense from a big-man wrestler who only got in the door in the first place because of his size. Nash was just in a damn movie with Tom Cruise, so he should realize that 'larger-than-life' isn't a literal term.


I disagree. I think the lack of having huge giants who can play the role of 'World Champion' IS a huge part of why the business is in the crapper with the general public.

If Brock Lesnar's first match back had been for a title belt and he had won, the following Monday's Raw would have been the highest rated episode this decade, easily. Instead, he lost to Cena and the guy with the title is your average Waffle House cook.

This is not 'Must See TV' anymore. The sideshow freakishness is gone. All the little flip-floppy, spot monkeys have taken over and it HAS hurt business.



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#12 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
    Originally posted by Cerebus

    I disagree. I think the lack of having huge giants who can play the role of 'World Champion' IS a huge part of why the business is in the crapper with the general public.


Here's the thing, most of the current crop of WWE people would have been considered "big man" wrestlers in the '80s. The Big Show is taller than Andre ever was, but he's reduced to basically a normal wrestler role because 90% of the roster is AT LEAST 6'2". I was reading through a wrestling encyclopedia the other week and I was astonished by how small everyone was until the mid-80s came along.

Sid is "only" 6'6", "Big" Scott Hall is "only" 6'3" but since everyone else on the card was a normal height, they became much bigger stars than they would have if they came up through the current scene.



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#13 Posted on
Jericho took offense:





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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.89
    Originally posted by Cerebus


    This is not 'Must See TV' anymore. The sideshow freakishness is gone. All the little flip-floppy, spot monkeys have taken over and it HAS hurt business.


No matter how you look at it, wrestling is still about larger than life characters. Those become must see.
Eddie, with all his Latino Heeeaat antics was larger than life.

I'd say that flip-floppy spot monkeys are as much a circus and must-see as the big giants (the cruiser weights were the reason to watch WCW)
It's the guys with a regular style and physique (Punk & Bryan aren't exactly high fliers these days) that can be considered too normal to make an impression. But then the character comes into play, just like it did with Eddie.

Punk however looks unique. This helps him a lot.
And he has built his persona off of that.
Bryan, with his over the top evil glares and such is starting to get there too. Ziggler is starting to stand out.

In comparison, Cody Rhodes..not so much. He was much better off being DASHING! and then HIDEOUS!.

Btw, to counter Nash. How tall is his buddy HBK? He was never hulking. Yet most consider him one of the best in-ring guys ever. Ditto for Ric Flair.







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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.14
I also dare anyone to say that John Cena is not a gigantic dude, and he is (as most threads on this board will attest) far more important to the company, it's plans, and it's product than Punk and Bryan but together. Nash is full of shit, and at this point I think even he knows it.
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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.10
CM Punk is billed at 6'2", but probably around 6' tops, HBK is 5'10", Rick Flair is the same as HBK and Daniel Bryan is a relatively short 5'8".

Bruno, who held the title for 11 [bleeping] years was 5'9"! Kevin Nash is once again proven myopic.



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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.73

It's kind of silly to pin down WWE's inability to regain the popularity it had from two aberrant boom periods to one specific Wrestlemania main event from eight years ago. Nash is probably trolling on some level. Math has no preference for crusierweights, and Nash remains to this day the second worst-drawing WWE Champion in history, second-only to JBL (also a large man). Andre the Giant was smaller than Giant Silva, Big Show, Khali, and El Gigante, but was a much bigger star. It isn't purely size. It comes down to charisma and an ability to get people to invest in what you do in the ring emotionally; that ability has no size barrier.





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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.27
Can I reiterate my love for Chris Jericho, right now. Thank you, Chris. I have meet Jericho and Punk in person and Jericho is probably 5'8 if that. Punk is 6'0, but he was standing on elevated stage, but it was hard to tell, but he didn't seem that tall or big.

I wonder what Nash has to say about feuding with Punk and working that great match, oh that is right he didn't. He lost in a rather ugly match with HHH and no one gave a shit about him. The worse part of HHH being in charge maybe the fact, he throws his buddies into storylines that make no sense for them to have a few pay days. Its no wonder JTG lost his mind over his Mania pay online. When you see 6'9 hubble through the door with his Just for Men dye job and zero connection to the crowd minus a nostalgia pop get air time, I think I'd wreck a locker room, too.

Why business is down is due to someone like Nash being part of storylines that could be massive.

(edited by lotjx on 8.8.12 0823)


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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.73
    Originally posted by Tenken347
    Nash is full of shit, and at this point I think even he knows it.


    Originally posted by HMD
    Nash is probably trolling on some level.


Yup, Nash is just charming some mark fancywriter and baffling him with bullshit the same way he charmed all the promoters.
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#20 Posted on
More from Nash:

http://www.pwinsider.com/article/70923/kevin-nash-responds-to-his-criticism-explains-why-he-was-pulled-from-the-ring-during-the-cm-punk-feud-and-more.html?p=1

I like that they asked him about the "What?" chants.
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