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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.92
    Originally posted by Mr Tuesday
    Kaval has always been the kind of guy that believes his own hype. If he believes he's not being used to the extent he should be, he'll leave that company and go to one where he thinks he will be.

    But I understand. In the last 14 months we've seen complete unknowns in the eyes of the WWE in Sheamus, Wade Barrett, and Alberto Del Rio, get the push to the main event. I can see the reason for some bitterness.







That demonstrates that Kaval should have shown some more patience considering the lack of depth on SD. As long as you are on TV, you have a chance to break out.
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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.63
    Originally posted by redsoxnation
      Originally posted by Mr Tuesday
      Kaval has always been the kind of guy that believes his own hype. If he believes he's not being used to the extent he should be, he'll leave that company and go to one where he thinks he will be.

      But I understand. In the last 14 months we've seen complete unknowns in the eyes of the WWE in Sheamus, Wade Barrett, and Alberto Del Rio, get the push to the main event. I can see the reason for some bitterness.







    That demonstrates that Kaval should have shown some more patience considering the lack of depth on SD. As long as you are on TV, you have a chance to break out.


The thing is, Husky Harris and Joe Henning already had a character and way more screen time than Kaval and the WWE already did a popularity contest proving that the fans wanted to see him more than the others. And the WWE basically told him "Hey, congrats on the fans wanting to see more of you, but we got nothing for ya." WWE can control whomever they want to be popular, as they shoved numerous stars down the fans throat until they get over and the fact that they didn't do it with him when they run a show where the point is to find what new superstar the fans WANT to see, I can see being pissed. Wade Barrett won his season and they did everything possible to make him succeed.



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
Its probably Kaval thinking or knowing they are not going to use him as much as they did in NXT 2. He might believe his own hype or saw the amount of brand matches of late and figured the hell with it. I like Kaval, but the idea of him getting the plucky underdog push when Rey being on the same show is ridiculous. The reality is the company has done a lot to a lot this year to push young stars unfortunately, a majority of them will be fired or released or sent to FCW by the time Mania comes about. Nexus is pretty much done unless Punk is revealed to be the mastermind behind everything or they attack the Smackdown crew. Sheamus, Miz and Morrison are getting some good pushes, but Smackdown is a mess.
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.94
    Originally posted by DirtyMikeSeaver
    WWE can control whomever they want to be popular, as they shoved numerous stars down the fans throat until they get over and the fact that they didn't do it with him when they run a show where the point is to find what new superstar the fans WANT to see, I can see being pissed. Wade Barrett won his season and they did everything possible to make him succeed.


To paraphrase Tom Zenk, Tom Brandi, and others (people who you think would be uber-bitter about the nature of the business, but nonetheless understand certain mechanics): Pro wrestling isn't always about who deserves to be pushed or who the fans want to see, sometimes it's about certain wrestlers filling certain roles in the grander, long-term scheme of storylines. And then there's the, "Screw that--I'm going directly to Vince and I don't care"-method, which is how Shawn Michaels' singles push began.

But really, what do I know? I'm just not too keen on the "OMG the 'E only pushes the hosses to the moon!" theory because it discounts the number of non-hosses who have held top spots in the past: Savage, DiBiase (not a champion, but was really the top heel from '87/88 to early '92), Flair, Hart, HBK, Austin, Guerrero, Benoit, The Miz, Punk. etc.




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#25 Posted on
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I like Kaval, but the idea of him getting the plucky underdog push when Rey being on the same show is ridiculous.


I agree with your point that Kaval and Rey as plucky underdog faces on the same show would not have worked if they were both singles wrestlers, but am I the only one that thinks a Rey/Kaval tag team would have gone over? In the ring Kaval's quickness would have compensated for Rey's slight decline in skills and mobility, while Rey would have given a huge rub to Kaval's career just by having them on the same team. This would have been a seamless way for Rey get back into opponents that were more size appropriate for him.
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#26 Posted on
I tend to think people overreact a little when it comes to complaining about certain wrestlers not being "pushed." No matter how "smart" we are, for some reason we still always attach importance to those belts, and figure if someone isn't being set up to eventually hold one, they aren't being treated right.

In this case I think the complaints are pretty well founded. They literally did nothing with Kaval. I mean, a little feud probably would have made a world of difference. Trent Baretta and Curt Hawkins had a nice little feud going on Superstars. The Hart Dynasty break up was an ok program. Heck, even Golddust had something to do on NXT 3.

I don't think we can say this is an instance of Kaval "believing his own hype." He had a great thing going with Laycool, but they decided that keeping Laycool together was better for business. This "title feud" was quickly shoved aside, and he was only being used as a bona-fide jobber in an era when they don't even use those on TV anymore.

If it was a question of him having something to do, and him being upset he wasn't being pushed like Wade Barrett (Kaval may be a better "worker" but Barrett has the much more valuable "it" factor that can carry a TV show. Kaval can only talk in small sound bytes), then I would agree he was just buying into his own hype. But heck - I imagine being such a high profile jobber was damaging to his reputation... I don't blame him from getting out while he still could. He might regret it some day, but the WWE tends to clean house frequently. Better he leave now than endure a few months of jobbing, only to be let go later. He's more marketable as the "NXT 2 winner" than he is "WWE Jobber"
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.03
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Its probably Kaval thinking or knowing they are not going to use him as much as they did in NXT 2. He might believe his own hype or saw the amount of brand matches of late and figured the hell with it. I like Kaval, but the idea of him getting the plucky underdog push when Rey being on the same show is ridiculous.


It's not as though they were necessarily going to stay on the same brand forever, though.

I guess I'd have two questions for Kaval:

1) What kind of push did you *expect* from WWE? I know many people, myself included, think of Kaval as more deserving of a push than a lot of guys who've been pushed, but it's no secret that WWE tends not to value guys who are small, and also tends not to value guys from TNA.

2) Where to, next? He's already left TNA on more than one occasion because he didn't like how they were handling him. No one else is big enough to really matter, at least from a US perspective.

It does surprise me that they weren't able to get him to stay at least for a little while given the current depleted state of the Smackdown roster, especially on the face side. I'm surprised they haven't made a move to bring someone in. Booker T, for example, is a guy who might be persuaded to come in for one last run through Mania without expecting too much from them (either in terms of money or push). Even some of the lower level guys might be worth bringing back for a short run. And heck, they recently brought in Val Venis/Sean Morely as a backstage guy; plugging him into Smackdown as a midcard face for a quickie (ahem) farewell run wouldn't be a bad idea under the circumstances.
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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    Where to, next? He's already left TNA on more than one occasion because he didn't like how they were handling him.
True. In fact, he was the only one (IIRC) to walk out of TNA when Dixie gave her "put up or shut up" speech a few years ago, telling the talent that she'd give a release to anyone who wanted one. I don't think he's in any way eager to go back, especially since I suspect the Hogan regime would be an even worse environment for him.

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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.61
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by lotjx
      Its probably Kaval thinking or knowing they are not going to use him as much as they did in NXT 2. He might believe his own hype or saw the amount of brand matches of late and figured the hell with it. I like Kaval, but the idea of him getting the plucky underdog push when Rey being on the same show is ridiculous.


    It's not as though they were necessarily going to stay on the same brand forever, though.

    I guess I'd have two questions for Kaval:

    1) What kind of push did you *expect* from WWE? I know many people, myself included, think of Kaval as more deserving of a push than a lot of guys who've been pushed, but it's no secret that WWE tends not to value guys who are small, and also tends not to value guys from TNA.

    2) Where to, next? He's already left TNA on more than one occasion because he didn't like how they were handling him. No one else is big enough to really matter, at least from a US perspective.

    It does surprise me that they weren't able to get him to stay at least for a little while given the current depleted state of the Smackdown roster, especially on the face side. I'm surprised they haven't made a move to bring someone in. Booker T, for example, is a guy who might be persuaded to come in for one last run through Mania without expecting too much from them (either in terms of money or push). Even some of the lower level guys might be worth bringing back for a short run. And heck, they recently brought in Val Venis/Sean Morely as a backstage guy; plugging him into Smackdown as a midcard face for a quickie (ahem) farewell run wouldn't be a bad idea under the circumstances.


1). A feud with someone. Anyone as long as he got face time and looked good. Not winning all the time, but not being a jobber like he has happen the last few weeks. Its not like Smackdown has a load of faces right now.

2.) He was one of the founders of ROH and he can work the Indys, Mexico and Japan with the NXT 2 winner. TNA is not a good place for anyone right now unless you can weather the storm.

The problem is creative. I think Lance Storm said it best: "If creative doesn't have anything for the wrestlers then creative should be fired instead of the wrestlers." I think the other problem is the WWE is so worried about Syfy's ratings they are going to keep shoving John, Miz, Orton and others on that show until the next draft. They might as well end the brand split fire people and move on. As of now, there is no difference between the shows especially when the Raw GM is making matches for Smackdown.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.32
    Originally posted by Gamblorr
      Originally posted by lotjx
      I like Kaval, but the idea of him getting the plucky underdog push when Rey being on the same show is ridiculous.


    I agree with your point that Kaval and Rey as plucky underdog faces on the same show would not have worked if they were both singles wrestlers, but ...


When I said "He and Kofi had the inside track to carry the 'perpetual underdog' torch from Rey," a passed torch usually connotes someone hangs up their boots. Kofi and Kaval are young and healthy compared to Rey and his knees, and the WWE would be wise to groom someone to play the WWE's mascot, which Rey is. Cena is the hero, Taker is the spooky crazy uncle, and Rey is the underdog. But he can't play that role much longer.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.91
    Originally posted by Matt Tracker
    When I said "He and Kofi had the inside track to carry the 'perpetual underdog' torch from Rey," a passed torch usually connotes someone hangs up their boots. Kofi and Kaval are young and healthy compared to Rey and his knees, and the WWE would be wise to groom someone to play the WWE's mascot, which Rey is. Cena is the hero, Taker is the spooky crazy uncle, and Rey is the underdog. But he can't play that role much longer.


Evan Bourne is perfect for that role if he stays healthy and gets a steady push.



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.54
The release had to be mutual, because Joey Styles on twitter just gave out Kaval's email for indy bookings.

Promoters looking to book Kaval (now Low Ki) can reach him at bookinglowki@gmail.com. In action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXVCHPBIeM
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