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Due to DNA not matching the sample found on JonBenet Ramsey's body, John Mark Karr is not being charged with her murder.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060828/ts_nm/crime_jonbenet_dna_dc_7



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So, he got his 15 minutes of fame plus a free trip back to the U.S. from Thailand. Hopefully they send him back to California to stand trial on the charges he skipped town on a few years ago.
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So no DNA match, his claims regarding what he did to her (drugged her) don't match the autopsy results and people claim he wasn't really in Colorado at the time of her death ... what made anyone think he was the killer, again? Why the hell did they drag this guy here from Thailand over some stupid online rambling? The Boulder prosecutors look like idiots, this guy is now famous (and apparently batshit insane) and everybody's time has been wasted. Not to mention they still have no clue who killed the girl.

(edited by TheBucsFan on 28.8.06 1622)


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Didn't they have him on some charges in Thailand too? Can we not send him back to face those charges as well?

Guilty or not, the guy obviously has some other "issues" which need to be resolved in a couple of courts.
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Once Thailand heard that he was a suspect for the murder they deported him. I also heard on the radio (news station) that he was not in U.S. custody or under arrest during his flight to LAX. That, combined with the fact that the U.S. probably didnt pay for the flight back, I wouldnt say anyone "draged this guy here ... over some stupid online rambling".

Looks to me like since Thailand was deporting him anyway, the U.S. said "Hey, he's already on his way here, let's grab him & look at him for this crime that he's working so hard on confessing to". I dont think that makes the Boulder prosecuters look stupid at all.



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    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    Once Thailand heard that he was a suspect for the murder they deported him. I also heard on the radio (news station) that he was not in U.S. custody or under arrest during his flight to LAX. That, combined with the fact that the U.S. probably didnt pay for the flight back, I wouldnt say anyone "draged this guy here ... over some stupid online rambling".

    Looks to me like since Thailand was deporting him anyway, the U.S. said "Hey, he's already on his way here, let's grab him & look at him for this crime that he's working so hard on confessing to". I dont think that makes the Boulder prosecuters look stupid at all.


He was absolutely paraded as the killer and heralded as the end of this ten-year mystery, whether he was in U.S. custody or not. That is why the prosecutors look stupid.



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Maybe you should question the credibility of the news organization that you heard it from?




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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    Maybe you should question the credibility of the news organization that you heard it from?


OK I really don't want this to turn into me singing this guy's praises - but did you ever see anything from the DA that led you to believe they thought he might not be their guy? Everything from the AP mentioned his emails to various people, but never made more than a passing mention of the possibility that he wasn't the guy. The New York Daily News ran a headline that said, if I remember correctly, "Perv lands in Colorado Pen."

The AP was putting out news alerts when his damn planes took off and landed. The prosecutors at no point, that I'm aware of, came out and said "calm down, there's a good chance we won't even charge him."

If your point is that every major news outlet in the country is not credible, maybe you have a point, but I'm more inclined to believe that they were seriously mislead by an irresponsible DA.



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I may be getting old, but I recall in my younger days whenever a criminal was accused, the older, wise anchor would always make a point of saying "Now lets all remember that he is innocent until proven guilty" or some such line.

How often was this presented as

JON BENETS KILLER ADMITS IT!

?

I think our media organizations lack journalistic integrity. I think this is a perfect example of it. Who fooled them? Why was this a story like it was? Why was this case ever the story that it was?

This whole story has been (unfortunately for the Ramsey family and their loss) infotainment. We've all been worked by the media.




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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    The prosecutors at no point, that I'm aware of, came out and said "calm down, there's a good chance we won't even charge him."
Actually they DID urge calm and discouraged speculation, repeatedly, and were very careful about always mentioning that he HADN'T yet been charged...but those quotes weren't very sexy and probably didn't get a lot of play on whichever news YOU were watching.

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    Originally posted by TheBucsFan
    OK I really don't want this to turn into me singing this guy's praises - but did you ever see anything from the DA that led you to believe they thought he might not be their guy?

Uh, yeah, plenty. I never thought he was the guy because in every story I read about him, it was mentioned that:

a) his ex-wife says he was in Alabama at the time

b) he claimed he drugged JonBenet even though there were no drugs in her system

and/or

c) he had a fanatical obsession with JonBenet and knew seemingly everything there was to know about her

All of that led me to believe this guy was nothing but a nutjob who almost certainly made it all up. However, when someone confesses to a murder, especially over the course of several months' worth of emails, of course he's going to be arrested.

On another note, I spent a good bit of time yesterday reading Crime Library's story on JonBenet's murder, and I ran across something interesting (and somewhat disturbing too, I must say). Regarding the DNA in her underwear: in 2002, a Colorado newspaper reported that the unknown male DNA could have been there when the underwear was purchased. In response to this, investigators obtained unopened samples of identical underwear from some plant in southeast Asia. Believe it or not, they found samples of human DNA in some of those new, unused panties. Maybe it's just me, but that sounds completely disgusting. How the hell does that get there??

But, if we take this information as true, why are we even bothering to look for the guy whose DNA matches what was found in JonBenet's underwear? Isn't it possible that the DNA doesn't belong to the killer?

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Just to add a link to back CRZ's claim:

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/08/18/caution_urged_on_ramsey_confession/

From the article:

``We should all heed the poignant advice of John Ramsey," said Mary Lacy, the Boulder County district attorney, quoting the little girl's father. ``Do not jump to conclusions, do not rush to judgment, do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."

Note that even John Ramsey, who probably wants to see resolution more than anyone, was urging caution here. The press, however, prefers sensationalism over caution. This article criticizes the press performance in this case (Note: the article was written before the DNA results were revealed)

http://www.salemnews.com/opinion/local_story_234143359?keyword=secondarystory



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    Originally posted by Guru Zim
    This whole story has been (unfortunately for the Ramsey family and their loss) infotainment. We've all been worked by the media.


It's pretty much always been, as has Natalee Holloway. Shame for the families, shame on the stations for going that route.

(And this is why I'm glad I deal with sports. I already know I'm not reporting on anything of consequence.)



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    Originally posted by drjayphd
    It's pretty much always been, as has Natalee Holloway. Shame for the families, shame on the stations for going that route.

    (And this is why I'm glad I deal with sports. I already know I'm not reporting on anything of consequence.)


Shame on the media and the people who want to watch those stories.

A little while back a young student from Illinois State University disappeared, only to have her charred body found in a chicken coop in Louisiana. The man supposedly responsible was apprehended and is in Illinois awaiting trial, etc.

Did you know this young lady was missing? Did you hear from her frantic family desperate for any news on their missing daughter's whereabouts? Did any of the news organizations, liberal or conservative, have hour-long specials about what a tragic loss this young woman was and what a danger young college girls face every day from predators?

No.

Because the young woman was black.

How many young women of minority backgrounds disappear and/or are killed in this country and you don't find out about it? Because their stories aren't juicy enough for you to tune into them. They aren't the pretty young blonde Holloway girl, or little white girl princess Ramsey.

Not making anything less of those tragedies, of course, but it happens every day.

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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    A little while back a young student from Illinois State University disappeared, only to have her charred body found in a chicken coop in Louisiana. The man supposedly responsible was apprehended and is in Illinois awaiting trial, etc.

    Did you know this young lady was missing? Did you hear from her frantic family desperate for any news on their missing daughter's whereabouts? Did any of the news organizations, liberal or conservative, have hour-long specials about what a tragic loss this young woman was and what a danger young college girls face every day from predators?

    No.

    Because the young woman was black.
This is a poor "apples 'n' oranges" example. Given the facts you provide above, I had no trouble at all finding out that the woman was named Olamide Adeyooye and reading all about her case, so apparently SOMEBODY reported on it. Unlike Natalee Holloway, they found her body a week after she was reported missing. Unlike JonBent Ramsey, they arrested a suspect. I will grant you that she was Nigerian.

I'm not saying this doesn't happen and that you're not probably right, but the real examples are probably buried far below BOTH of our radars.



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Hmmmm I won't say it.....

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    Originally posted by Eddie Famous
    How many young women of minority backgrounds disappear and/or are killed in this country and you don't find out about it? Because their stories aren't juicy enough for you to tune into them. They aren't the pretty young blonde Holloway girl, or little white girl princess Ramsey.

Not that you don't have a point, but there are plenty of pretty white girls who get killed that you never hear about either. I could repost your entire story, subbing "Kansas State" for "Illinois State" and a few other minor switches, and people would know just as little about that as they do the Nigerian girl. And that case went over 2 years without a suspect or an arrest.
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Something that really disturbed me about this whole thing...

Its official: Hes Kar-razy



    He has a tremendous amount of narcissism, which means that he needs to feel like a main actor somewhere. He needs his 15 minutes of fame, Pomerance said.

    This allows him to be on the world stage. He wants to feel that hes the center of attention.

    Pomerance said there will be movie and book deals and Karr could end up a millionaire, even though he didnt do it.

    The publics fascination with this is boundless, Pomerance said.



If the media hadn't spent the last two weeks blasting his picture and story everywhere, he certainly would be in no position to make money. It's really disturbing how they fell hook, line and sinker for this guy, and yet seemed to focus so little on whether or not he was worth this amount of attention.

(edited by Leroy on 29.8.06 0905)


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    Originally posted by SEADAWG
      Originally posted by Eddie Famous
      How many young women of minority backgrounds disappear and/or are killed in this country and you don't find out about it? Because their stories aren't juicy enough for you to tune into them. They aren't the pretty young blonde Holloway girl, or little white girl princess Ramsey.

    Not that you don't have a point, but there are plenty of pretty white girls who get killed that you never hear about either. I could repost your entire story, subbing "Kansas State" for "Illinois State" and a few other minor switches, and people would know just as little about that as they do the Nigerian girl. And that case went over 2 years without a suspect or an arrest.


Agreed. What gave this so much run IMO was the whole sick beauty queen schtick and the fact it was a rather wierd family as a whole.



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Prosecutor defends choice to pursue Karr

Click Here (news.yahoo.com)

BOULDER, Colo. - Prosecutors acknowledged Tuesday that they had no concrete evidence beyond the rambling confessions of John Mark Karr before they arrested him two weeks ago in the unsolved slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.

A day after the case against Karr was dropped, District Attorney Mary Lacy and her team defended their decision to bring him to Colorado from halfway around the world on a jumbo jet, with champagne and pate for dinner.

Lacy said it is difficult to be sure about any suspect's claims because every bit of physical evidence in the case has been disclosed to the public over the past 10 years.

"This guy confessed numerous occasions in great deal," said Peter Maguire, a deputy district attorney. "He confessed in e-mails, he confessed in telephone conversations ... he admitted it to a police officer. This was a bizarre crime and the person who committed this crime acted in a bizarre way."

Lacy has been sharply criticized from the governor and others for detaining and arresting Karr. She acknowledged that and told reporters she has received citizen calls calling for her to be "tarred and feathered" and "run out of town." Republican Gov. Bill Owens said Lacy, a Democrat, "should be held accountable for the most extravagant and expensive DNA test in Colorado history."

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Eddie Famous: Shame on the media and the people who want to watch those stories.

Yeah. Shame on ME. I love this stuff, just because it's better humor than anything that won (or was nominated) for an Emmy

I was PISSED when the lead stories at 7pm were Katrina (FOXNews) and Blood in Iraq (MSNBC). Thank God for CNN! Top Story? Jack Cafferty - Click Here (cnn.com) was nearly hyperventilating assuming full responsibility on behalf of the media for behaving like raped apes:

Cafferty: WHOOPS

No doubt! But, he did ask for our feedback

What should the media learn from the dropping of the case against John Karr in the JonBenet Ramsey murder?

Which brings out the finest of Populist America...a total grasp of the big picture, you bet

The media should learn that America is better served by reporters who care about REAL news and REAL issues. If they had spent 1/10th this much energy to discover why Bush wanted to invade Iraq, we might have had an extra $300 Billion to help clean up after Katrina!

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What the media should (but won't) learn, Jack, is that they should learn to just report the news rather than hyping and creating the news. You are like sharks drawn to scrum when a story like the Karr "confession" happens. Then you spend 90% of your time continually "reporting" the same thing over and over and over until it becomes fact.

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Over and Over. Dont forget the running loop of the champagne sipping!

Maybe the media should wait to find out what's really happening before jumping into a story when the facts aren't known. Everyone was running around chasing information that didn't exist. With everything that is happening in the world and the country today, all that was heard was Karr. Very, very sad commentary on the media as a whole.

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Who needs facts when this is all a liberal conspiracy propagated by the DA (Democrat) ? At least that's what Sean Hannity was yelling about during the 9pm feeding frenzy. And trying to get over that Karrs "soul" is evil. It's always Satan and the Liberals. Maybe it's best that FoxNews doesn't lead with this one.

Leroy: If the media hadn't spent the last two weeks blasting his picture and story everywhere, he certainly would be in no position to make money. It's really disturbing how they fell hook, line and sinker for this guy, and yet seemed to focus so little on whether or not he was worth this amount of attention

Whats worse is The Son of Sam law was enacted to prevent someone like this from profiting. Before the First Ammendment, a gang of lawyers and the publics need to know got in the way, of course. Nothing to stop this now but common decency and respect for the dead

Son of Sam law quickie version Click Here (en.wikipedia.org)

The whole story has been the media hedging their bets, while still managing to shove the story down our throats. The crowing last night from experts who were right about this guy all along was some of the best TV Ive seen in months. No mea culpas for painting the Ramseys as cold blooded murderers for 10 years, though. Thank God for short term memories

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