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Here's a snippet of the controversy ...

Rove, in a speech Wednesday evening to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, said, “Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Conservatives, he said, “saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.”


Is this really the best strategy for The White House to be making? I seem to remember both Republicans and Democrats uniting together after 9/11 for the good of the country and voting Bush the right to go to war. There was no big debates after 9/11, but action and even apologies for past insults and mistrust. The split didn't occur again until Iraq.

Rove is thought of as a big cog in the Bush regime's wheel, and is credited with much of Bush's success. Then why make this statement. Especially after the Nazi mudslinging that hurt the Democrats.

Democrats are calling for an apology (which is possible), Sen. John Kerry even called for his removal(which is doubtful). I really don't think it matters what he does, because next week someone else will probably do something similar. What worries me is that both sides of the aisle have lost site of what's important here. You really don't want to see the frustration of your leaders boil over ... and with so much at stake.





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    Rove, in a speech Wednesday evening to the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, said, “Liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers.” Conservatives, he said, “saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war.”


    Originally posted by John Kerry
    But it's primarily an intelligence and law enforcement operation that requires cooperation around the world (emphasis added)


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/transcripts/debatetranscript29.html

I don't see how Rove said anything he has to apologize for. I think it's a fairly accurate characterization of the Left. It seems to me the left likes to talk about "root causes" of terrorism, i.e. the theory that they blow us up because they are poor, and therefore we need to offer them more understanding. Here's Dick Gephardt on the subject:

    Originally posted by CNN.com
    Gephardt, the Missourian seeking the Democratic presidential nomination, told the Council on Foreign Relations in New York that the United States should look beyond a simplistic good guy-bad guy world view and address the "root causes" of terrorism.

    "We must work to prevent them from emerging in the first place," he said.


http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/01/13/elec04.prez.gephardt.speech/
Do a Google search on "terrorism root causes" and you'll find plenty of left-wing opinion to similar effect.

How, again, is Rove out of line?
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I for one am on the "left" side of this issue, though I would say much of the Democratic Party is not, unfortunately.

Most of them do support this war, but don't support how Bush is doing it.



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Most of the terrorists we've caught were through Law Enforcement efforts. The one we went to war to get? Osama? That didn't pan out too well, did it?


I just think what Rove says clearly points out the flaws in the whole post-9/11 Republican agenda. Yup, they prepared for war. Prepared to capitalize on the post 9/11 anger and pushed us into a war on bogus information.

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    Originally posted by PalpatineW
    It seems to me the left likes to talk about "root causes" of terrorism, i.e. the theory that they blow us up because they are poor, and therefore we need to offer them more understanding.


To be fair I don't remember anyone prominent on the left either here or in the US suggesting we offer therapy to the people blowing us up. Kerry makes no mention of understanding and therapy in the quote you give , and I'd imagine thats the part of Rove's speech people would take issue with.

Saying one wants to understand the root causes (which I'm sure your well aware are FAR more complex than 'they're poor') is not the same as saying that you want to sit them down over a coffee and share their pain. Personally I couldn't give a shit about offering terrorists my understanding. I do think that increasing our understanding of how we're pereceived in the Arab world is a vital part of tackling terrorism though.



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Working to understand and in the future work to prevent terrorists seems logical and the therapy crack is just that. One of the byproducts of our adventure is Iraq has been the creation of more terrorists.

The truth is that although the leaders like bin Laden are well-off and educated, the true believers are the poor, under-educated masses who actually belive the religious dogma they are being fed.

No sane person on the left or right wants to do anything but figure out how to stop this insanity.



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    Originally posted by dMr
    I do think that increasing our understanding of how we're pereceived in the Arab world is a vital part of tackling terrorism though..


I think that should be the case, but even if it turns out the Arabs' hatred for this country is in any way legitimate or justified, it's not like America will ever admit that or change its behavior. That's why Americans have to believe the cause is "they're poor" or "they hate Christians" or some other such nonsense.

    Originally posted by DrDirt
    The truth is that although the leaders like bin Laden are well-off and educated, the true believers are the poor, under-educated masses who actually belive the religious dogma they are being fed.


This sounds strangely familiar, like I've seen this going on somewhere else in the world...
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Palp, how is anything the "left" say different from the the right saying that bringing freedom to the Middle East will stop terrorism? Wasnt it Bush and Cheney who were saying 'they hate us for our freedom?"


How is it wrong to prepare indictments for terrorists? I would be appalled if the US Attorney in NYC doesnt have a laundry list of charges for Osama Bin Laden if he is ever captured and extadited here for trial. If someone is caught here in the US for being a terrorist dont we want them to be charged and punished under our law? Isnt that what makes us America? Or am I being too liberal?


Also, this story demonstrates to me the rights desire to link the War in Iraq to the overall war on Terror, because Americans slowly but surely are correctly seeing the two as two diffrent things. its become apparent to more and more people that we are going to come out of Iraq with a larger terrorist problem that we had going in.



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