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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.75
    Originally posted by ParagonOfVirtue
    Kane is one of only a few people in the business you can have lose for months and months and then have him squash a few guys in consecutive weeks and he'll be a main event monster all over again. It's his history (his unstoppable nature esp the first two years of his career) and his size/agility that will always automatically put Kane right back at the top. At least as a heel.

    BTW I thought that Batista/Kane confrontation was awesome. I usually hate big men, but the way they built that up was definitely entertaining. I think overall contrary to Vince's opinions on matters, it's not having a whole roster of big men that is important, but rather if most of the wrestlers were average sized and there were only a few big men around. That's why with Goldberg, Lesnar, Show, etc out of the picture these past couple months and very small guys like HBK, Benoit, and Guerrero in the main event picture, it was actually interesting to see Batista and Kane go at it.



I totally agree about the Batista/Kane confrontation being exciting. They really booked the match well as Batista kept playing the big guy enforcer, saving HHH at every opportunity. Suddenly, Kane runs through everyone in Evolution and only has to take down the one guy that nobody else could handle.

Point is, when that moment happened (Batista and Kane showdown), I instinctively marked out. My very next thought was, "Wait, it's freakin Batista. I don't care about Batista!" Through the smart booking, they made me care for a moment. And a long, intense match with Benoit at Bad Blood might also make me care about Kane, despite the Lita angle.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.79
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#23 Posted on
I just don't see how they can have Kane go down cleanly to Benoit without hurting his character more. (By the way, if it seems like I've been bashing Kane in this thread i haven't been. I really like Kane. I just think it's bad booking.)
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#24 Posted on
Well, call me foolish; but I think Kane should have an accident, be seriously burned, and go back to masked kane; he was just so much cooler that way... On the other hand that could be very cheaply and stupidly executed, so Im not so sure...

I do strongly think however; that Benoit and Kane should have a fight of epic proportion, in which Benoit finds it increasingly hard to defeat Kane throughout the match until the end when he miraculously does it. For this to have full effect Kane needs to be built up a little more (just a few more midcard butts kicked...) and then we can have this match. That way, Kane will be built up further into his monster character and Benoit will not be completely discredited with losing his title so relatively quickly.

Its kinda like Stone Cold vs Kane at uh... whatever Mania' it was. Stone Cold proved he was as tough as he said, and Kane was proven to be just as much a monster as anyone implied.

*after reading other people's corrections....

OK, Im sorry It was the K.O.R. 98' that I was thinking about... never mind me, I'll just go and hang myself for saying something so senseless and foolhardy.

(edited by WhoTookMyHonor? on 19.5.04 1357)


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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
Kane will lose at Bad Blood due to interference by either Lita or Matt Hardy, so predictable, yet no one says it.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.68
    Originally posted by WhoTookMyHonor?
    Its kinda like Stone Cold vs Kane at uh... whatever Mania' it was.


The King of the Ring '98 Mania'?



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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
    Originally posted by WhoTookMyHonor?
    Its kinda like Stone Cold vs Kane at uh... whatever Mania' it was. Stone Cold proved he was as tough as he said, and Kane was proven to be just as much a monster as anyone implied.




Kane and Stone Cold never had a math at Wrestlemania, you must of been thinking of King of the Ring 1998 where Kane defeated Austin (with the help of Taker) in a First Blood match.



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#28 Posted on
LOL. WhoTookMH i agree. His costume now just doesn't do him justice. At least give him back the costume he had before this one.(Black top with red stripes.)
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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.43
    Originally posted by Lexus
    The cool thing about Kane is that no matter how many times he loses, all he needs to do is go on a tear, squash a big man, chokeslam EVERYBODY, and he'll be taken seriously again.


I just wish they'd realize that the same goes for the Undertaker.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.00
It was a decent battle royal win, but did you notice how long he was laying down motionless.that was real stupid.



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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.07
    Originally posted by MoleMan
    It was a decent battle royal win, but did you notice how long he was laying down motionless.that was real stupid.
And by "real stupid," hopefully you mean "brilliant strategery?" :)



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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.89
Sure, Kane's had his ups and downs. And sure, he's had a lot of losses. I don't think that hurts his character as much as it sounds.

Kane is a maniac. He's a monster. He's more driven by insanity than by careful planning and ambition. Most of his losses can written off, at any given time, by these traits. He's unpredictable and easily distracted. Like several others have said in this thread, he probably has the easiest character on the RAW roster to bury and then have him make a comeback. With him, everything is psychological. If he loses, maybe it's because his heart wasn't in it. Maybe he was focused on other things. All you need to do with Kane is give him a new obsession (Taker, Lita, etc.) and suddenly he's a big, bad, bloodthirsty monster again.

Judging from the crowd reactions, they certainly still believe, for the most part, that he's a monster, that he can still do horrible things to an opponent, that he can still sit up from almost any blow and fight back, and beat down.

When he faced off against Batista in the battle royal, he had this "Oh yeah, big boy, let's go" look on his face. The crowd loved it. It was almost like they all had the same idea at the same time: "Oh yeah, Kane versus Batista...that would be good!"

For the longest time, whenever Bischoff has wanted to "punish" someone, he'd put them in a match with Kane, and invariably the poor sucker booked in the match will be suddenly filled with dread. No matter how many times he loses a match, as long as he continues to hand people their asses on a silver platter, and as long as pretty much all the wrestlers in the locker room dread getting into the ring with him, he will continue to be a believable monster.

Kane's character isn't dependent on how many wins or losses he has. It's all has to do with how much ass he kicks and how much fear he instills in his opponents.

To boot, his willingness to do the job and help other guys get over speaks well of Glen Jacobs, even if some people think it makes Kane look like a wuss.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.24
Kane can easily be carried to a great match, especially by a guy like Benoit.
I bet in the next few weeks can will be booked as invincible again, and imo he should no sell a lot of people's offense. Even go as far as being put in submissions but fighting out of them.

This way again Benoit will be the underdog champ, who will overcome all after Kane powers out of the sharpshooter, the crossface but eventually falls to either some bizarre Submission or to a huge onslaught of freakin evil suplexes/headbutts and other wicked stuff by Benoit.




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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.99
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by MoleMan
      It was a decent battle royal win, but did you notice how long he was laying down motionless.that was real stupid.
    And by "real stupid," hopefully you mean "brilliant strategery?" :)


I agree. Plus, even though I knew it was coming, I marked out a little when Kane did the zombie sit-up.

I thought the Kane and Batista showdown was well done and I actually found myself thinking Batista could have a future as a main event guy, but only for a second, I promise.



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.69
    Originally posted by dMp
    Kane can easily be carried to a great match, especially by a guy like Benoit.


Now you and I may have different definitions of "great match," but I have never in my life seen Kane in a great match. And Kane and Benoit had a terrible match once.



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#36 Posted on
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
    Now you and I may have different definitions of "great match," but I have never in my life seen Kane in a great match.


How about Kane versus Angle, on, I think, an early 2002 Smackdown?

*waits for people to say Angle carried Kane*
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#37 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.05
Angle carried Kane.

I think Kane had a decent match w/ Jericho around that time, too. But that was at least 2 years ago - if Kane is as good as people say, he'd have had a few good matches since then.

He's nothing more than a generic, boring big man.



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#38 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.69
    Originally posted by ZanderTWTF
    How about Kane versus Angle, on, I think, an early 2002 Smackdown?

    *waits for people to say Angle carried Kane*


Well he did carry Kane and I don't think that was a GREAT MATCH, but then I'm not going to argue with you if you did, because if so then that's cool.

Kane is really very bad. For being such a destructive monster, he sure does everything like a wein. I'm not saying he doesn't work hard (he does) and I'm not saying he doesn't seem like a great guy (he does) and I'm not saying he hasn't somehow perserved through whatever god-awful shit they've given him over the years (he has), but the guy is bad in the ring. As far as destructive big men just in that company go, Batista, Big Show and Undertaker are all worlds ahead of Kane. I hope he has a real good match with Benoit at Bad Blood, though. In fact I hope it's great. If Eddie Guerrero and Bradshaw can put on an entertaining match, there's no reason Benoit and Kane can't do it.



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#39 Posted on | Instant Rating: 7.37
    Originally posted by ScottChrist
      Originally posted by dMp
      Kane can easily be carried to a great match, especially by a guy like Benoit.


    Now you and I may have different definitions of "great match," but I have never in my life seen Kane in a great match. And Kane and Benoit had a terrible match once.


Yup, our opinions on great matches differ probably.
But my point was, Angle got an interesting match out of him where he didn't look awkward or out of place or whatever.
That wasn't just Angle imo. Kane might not be able to carry someone to a good match but he can be carried unlike for instance Steiner who will drag the other person down.
. And if someone is better than Angle at making others look good its our champion Chris Benoit. I expect an interesting/great/good/not so bad (whatever you wanna call it) match.

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#40 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.95
Kane never uses his size well. While guys like the Undertaker have perfected it, and used it to compensate for other shortcomings, Kane just moves around like a kid who's grown too fast and isn't in control of his limbs.

Cena has also demonstrated this awkwardness, but hopefully he'll grow out of it. Kane is more like the Baby Huey of the big men.

He's never been in a good match, like Scott said. Angle may have pulled a decent match out of him on TV, but they combined for a spectacularly shitty match at WM 18.

Kane's just been around long enough for us to expect more.



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