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Since: 26.2.03
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#1 Posted on
Is it just mean, or has Kane run its course. I mean he still gets pops, but I mean, the burns are gone, the voice is back. To me, Kane hasn't been good since he debut and jsut kicked everyone's butt, now he just seems to be another wrestler.



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#2 Posted on
as i said in another thread, there's only so far you can go with a character who can't talk. and the wwe went as far as they could, and farther.
any character has to evolve, and by not being able to speak at all, kane would have been unable to do that.

i admit, it was cool when kane never spoke and then all of a sudden he gets the mic and is like, "SUUUUCK IIIIT" :-D
but, like i said, that ran its course, so i don't really mind the current kane.
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Since: 10.10.02
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#3 Posted on
They could have the Dudley's turn heel and rip his mask off. That would freshen up the Dudley's a bit as well and they have a proven track record for getting heel heat back in ECW.



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Since: 28.4.02
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#4 Posted on
If they took Kane's mask off him, that'd be all it would take to suddenly make him the most over guy on the RAW roster. Trust me.



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#5 Posted on

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    If they took Kane's mask off him, that'd be all it would take to suddenly make him the most over guy on the RAW roster. Trust me.

How do you figure?

No really, I am not being sarcastic. I would figure that would kill Kane in a matter of weeks. How would it help?




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Since: 4.3.03
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#6 Posted on
I remember Rey Misterio's heat dying after he was unmasked in WCW, so I'm not sure I'd do it either if I were him. I liked Kane best when he was teamed with the Undertaker (especially when DDP was stalking 'Taker's wife). I think Kane has always been most over when he's in an underdog role though, so they might try a story along those lines..
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Since: 21.11.02
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#7 Posted on
Actually after Rey lost his mask, he went on for a while as the giant killer. He had a win over Nash, Scott Norton, Hugh Morris and a couple of other big men. It was a good push, but ultimately, none of the ME big men (sans Nash) would lay down for him. He drifted for a while but was real big with the Filthy Animals. I think Rey did better without the mask.





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#8 Posted on
I remember the Giant Killer phase, when he won by kicking Scott Norton in in the balls and everything, but I still think he was more over with the mask than when he was running around looking like a thugged out monchichi and inflicting Master P on us all. (Shudder)
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Since: 28.4.02
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#9 Posted on

    Originally posted by Pool-Boy

      Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
      If they took Kane's mask off him, that'd be all it would take to suddenly make him the most over guy on the RAW roster. Trust me.

    How do you figure?

    No really, I am not being sarcastic. I would figure that would kill Kane in a matter of weeks. How would it help?



I think it would be the final step in his humanization. He wouldn't be a walking gimmick anymore - he'd be an actual human character.

But, and this is a big but, he needs to lose the mask himself. It can't be taken from him. That would just make him look weak. It would have to be his own decision. Oh well, it would've worked better back during (either) X-Pac storyline. Ever since Katie Vick, he's been pretty directionless. I'm not even sure what his back story's supposed to be anymore.



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#10 Posted on

    Originally posted by IsaacYankem
    I remember Rey Misterio's heat dying after he was unmasked in WCW, so I'm not sure I'd do it either if I were him. I liked Kane best when he was teamed with the Undertaker (especially when DDP was stalking 'Taker's wife). I think Kane has always been most over when he's in an underdog role though, so they might try a story along those lines..
When Rey Mysterio lost the mask, he started over with a whole new attitude...he wasn't a mexican lucha anymore...he was a funky wrestler who came to the ring to rap music...and wrestled in coverall jeans.

For it to work for Kane, he'd have to TOTALLY revamp who he is.



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#11 Posted on

    Originally posted by OlFuzzyBastard
    If they took Kane's mask off him, that'd be all it would take to suddenly make him the most over guy on the RAW roster. Trust me.


I totally doubt that. Kane is just Kane now. I mean, his character has been totally watered down so much that it is like he doesn't matter anymore. I mean, he talks, he has friends, he drinks coffee, he tries to eat Beefaroni. He is a normal guy with a mask now. He would have to totally revamp everything about him or send him back to the old Kane. I thought that is what that whole HHH fued was going to do for him. Piss off Kane so much that he goes back to the old "Fire and Brimstone" Kane. But we all know how that turned out.




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#12 Posted on
Kane would also need to pick up some talent or something.

Kane - so, so boring.



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#13 Posted on
Here's how I feel.

Kane used to be Kane. A big pale guy who never ever talked. And was all about fire. He was scary. Big guys who never talk are scary!

Now he talks!!! Kane should never ever talk. One, because he has NO mic skills. And two, because he is KANE!!! He isn't supposed to talk! It kills his whole character. He isn't scary if he talks!! He is from the fires of Hell!!

And a little less of the problem is his new theme music, costume, and tag team partner. His theme music has lyrics to it now. Kane shouldn't talk, so neither should his music. His costume, I liked the old one, the one that just showed that big pale arm. It looked intimidating. The new one, I just don't like it. And lastly, RVD. Well, I don't like RVD in the first place, but I don't think he is good for Kane. You should never put two people together who have no mic skills. But more importantly, Kane should be a solo wrestler. The only person he should ever wrestler is, is the Taker. Duh.


But anyway, that's what I think about Kane.

We could fix the problem like this. A CASKET MATCH! I don't know who it would be against. But Kane would lose and get thrown in the Casket. He would disappear for a couple weeks. And then Paul Bearer(Yea i know he is with NWA) would wheel the Casket out, and Wham, we have the old Kane back.

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#14 Posted on
Blech. I haven't been able to stand Kane since he started hanging out with X-Pac. Initially, I thought it was because he was getting some of X-Pac's suck by osmosis.

Later I realized that he's just really boring. Nothing interesting ever happens around him. His gimmick and backstory are SO confusing at this point that I don't even want to try to figure out what the kayfabe is supposed to be.

And Komedy Kane=Super Suck. I like RVD and all, but he's been hanging out with Komedy Kane, so I shudder.



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#15 Posted on
The problem with Kane without the mask is that without the mask, he's just another tall ugly guy. The mask gives you something to identify with.

He's not great on the mic (he's ok, but he's nothing superspecial), he's not great in the ring (he's ok, but he's nothing superspecial). So, in other words, Kane unmasked would be ok, but nothing superspecial. With the mask...he's got something to show you "Hey! Here's SOMETHING to identify this big lug with in your head!"

I say, keep the mask, he's better off with it.



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Since: 10.3.03
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#16 Posted on

    Originally posted by kgriffey79
    Here's how I feel.

    Kane used to be Kane. A big pale guy who never ever talked. And was all about fire. He was scary. Big guys who never talk are scary!

    Now he talks!!! Kane should never ever talk. One, because he has NO mic skills. And two, because he is KANE!!! He isn't supposed to talk! It kills his whole character. He isn't scary if he talks!! He is from the fires of Hell!!

    And a little less of the problem is his new theme music, costume, and tag team partner. His theme music has lyrics to it now. Kane shouldn't talk, so neither should his music. His costume, I liked the old one, the one that just showed that big pale arm. It looked intimidating. The new one, I just don't like it. And lastly, RVD. Well, I don't like RVD in the first place, but I don't think he is good for Kane. You should never put two people together who have no mic skills. But more importantly, Kane should be a solo wrestler. The only person he should ever wrestler is, is the Taker. Duh.


    But anyway, that's what I think about Kane.

    We could fix the problem like this. A CASKET MATCH! I don't know who it would be against. But Kane would lose and get thrown in the Casket. He would disappear for a couple weeks. And then Paul Bearer(Yea i know he is with NWA) would wheel the Casket out, and Wham, we have the old Kane back.




He wrestled a casket match against HHH...and he almost lost. He won, admittedly, but only through the interference of Shawn Michaels.



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Since: 15.2.02
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#17 Posted on
It would have been awesome if they kept the voicebox on Kane and just had him deliver punchlines or general one-liners in the scratchy voicebox.

Like Ned Gerblanski from South Park.

As Denis Leary proved, voiceboxes are immediate comic gold.



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Since: 11.2.03
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#18 Posted on
If Kane does take his mask off, would they make him up to have some "burn scars" or not? If not, don't you need to explain why the hell he wore the mask and claimed to have been covered with burns for years? Or have we already passed the point where his backstory is considered operative?

I agree with Excalibur...once the initial novelty of Kane unmasked is gone, he's just another big guy. It makes no sense to me to take it off of him.

Although I'm getting a very funny thought of JR screaming into the mic, "It's ISSAC YANKEM!! Kane is Issac Yankem!!! All this time, it's been Issac Yankem!! Through hellfire and brimstone, HE'S A DENTIST!!!"

I still think they should have put Issac Yankem in the Gimmick Battle Royal just for shits and giggles.
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Since: 25.11.02
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#19 Posted on
i thought with the whole RVD thing and RVD getting beaten up while kane ran away cause he had no mask, it was going to be revealed that kane didn't really have any scars, he just was so scared of revealing himself to the world after all those years, that he still felt the need to hide behind it. damn me for thinking things like this through..
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Since: 31.10.02
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#20 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.36
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
    If Kane does take his mask off, would they make him up to have some "burn scars" or not? If not, don't you need to explain why the hell he wore the mask and claimed to have been covered with burns for years?


I've always thought a decent way to deal with the lack of scars would be to say that he never was scarred. Paul Bearer, in order to control Kane, convinced him he was scarred. Over time Kane began to see these scars as real. Such as when he looks in the mirror all he sees is a burned , disfigured face, when in reality he looks no different than you or I. Maybe have him lose the mask in a match where he runs away with his face covered, someone...perhaps RVD runs backstage to his aid. RVD finds him cowered in fear in the darkness and when Kane reveals himself RVD is shocked to see no scars. The next week either Paul Bearer or UT come out to reveal the truth about Kane.

This leads to a slow rehabiliation of Kane's psyche, where he slowly starts to accept the real Kane.

But you might be able to do a split personality storyline where, when overstressed Kane reverts back to his old masked self. Maybe he as a good side and a bad side, ala Two Face? He could feud with RVD while also teaming him with him. Maybe RVD is so committed to their friendship that he won't abandon the struggle to bring kane back to sanity, even if they have to have a few knock down drag out fights...

(Edit: of course it took me so long to type out my thoughts someone else posted a similar idea...)

(edited by krakken2000 on 14.3.03 1545)


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