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Since: 28.2.02
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#1 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
I just want to take a moment to point out how unbelievably terrible Justice League is, and issue 4 continues the downward spiral. I regret being nice to issue one now that it's 3 months later. Considering the hype, the status of Justice League as the DC New 52 flagship book featuring GEOFF JOHNS and JIM LEE - Two of the Greatest, Most-Overhyped Comic Book Creators Since Polybags were Created - what the hell is this remedial garbage they keep putting out?

I keep reading praise about Jim Lee's art, but to me, it all looks unfinished and incomprehensible. Giant panels with LINES EVERYWHERE so that it's hard to tell what's even going on or where my eye is supposed to go. What am I looking at? What's happening?

Going by the "story", nothing is happening. 4 issues in, $16 spent, and what has occurred? The Justice League keeps fighting parademons as a new member or two shows up to join the senseless action each issue. Cyborg is created and he conveniently hooks up with the League. I feel like Geoff Johns plots each issue on a cocktail napkin. And now finally Darkseid shows up and does, what? All of a sudden there's like an earthquake or something, and Darkseid yells out, "I AM DARKSEID!!"

And other thing, the dialogue just gets worse and worse. The Leaguers, mind you, the best superheroes in the DCU, sound like idiots. They used to bicker like dumb teenagers but it seems like they're actually getting dumber each issue. It's like they're devolving. It's issue 4 now and they sound like dumb 11 year olds arguing. Maybe that's what's going on: Maybe the League is devolving like Benjamin Button. By issue 6, all the dialogue will be "Goo goo" and "Baa baa".




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#2 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.01
I am so glad, I opted out on the reboot. I don't mind a JLA that argues, but it really should be either Superman vs. Bruce or Ollie vs. Hawkman. Maybe the occasional Wonder Woman vs. Superman or Batman, but everyone arguing seems stupid. They are the best team in all of comics, they should look like it and not the X-Men where they at each other's throats for random reasons.



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#3 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.91
This is likely geek blasphemy, but I think Darkseid is one of the most overrated characters in comics. The guy is the big bad for practically every major DCU event, is ridiculously overpowered, and has an origin so convoluted it takes multiple trips to Wikipedia to figure out.
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#4 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    This is likely geek blasphemy, but I think Darkseid is one of the most overrated characters in comics.


I love Darkseid but I tend to agree. I think part of the problem is how Darkseid is written. I can think of only two instances where I think Darkseid was written well: The Cosmic Odyssey and The Great Darkness Saga. Both of those happened in the '80s.

I don't know if most people who write Darkseid actually get Darkseid, but in a way, I also can't blame them. Darkseid conceptually is a fine idea - an incredibly powerful absolute despot of the most horrific planet in the universe. But he's not a character, he's an idea. And what does Darkseid want? What is his ultimate goal? The Anti-Life Equation. Sounds sinister. It allows him to control the free will of everyone in the universe. But what is the Anti-Life Equation really? A math formula. The most evil god being in the universe wants a math formula. Ergh.

Take Thanos, a Darkseid rip off but a much more entertaining and compelling character. Why? Because Thanos wants something a reader can connect with. He's in love with Death. He wants his love to be reciprocated. Every insane, evil, universe-threatening thing he does is because that guy's crazy in love. That's something that lends itself to drama. Everyone can relate to that.

(edited by John Orquiola on 22.12.11 2049)

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#5 Posted on | Instant Rating: 0.92
Good grief, you people just don't get it.

This isn't the Justice League that we know. This is the very first time these characters have ever met each other. Of course they're gonna bitch and argue with each other because they don't know one another. Each of these characters have an ego bigger that the world. They think that their powers are unique and they can do anything by themselves without help.

If you were to put all these characters in a room when they've never met each other, a fight's gonna break out and someone's gonna get hurt. That's what is happening here. This is an origin story of the Justice League. Yes, I understand that these are characters you know and you expect them to all act a certain way around each other because of the 40 years of history you are used to, but that's all gone. You need to forget everything you know about Batman and Superman's friendship, forget that Hal has died and brought back, forget that Aquaman is useless (Lol!)... forget all that shit because in this new DC Universe, None of that has happened yet, if it happens at all.

Try to read this book as if it's an Elseworlds book and it has completely taken over the rest of the books. That's basically what has happened. Get used to it. You don't like it, fuck it, go read your old books and wait for DC to do the big event that will eventually revert everything back to the way it was (even though sales have been really good and they'll probably push that back for a while.) and start reading the books again.

Honestly, I've liked the New 52 books (for the most part, Batgirl is the worst one by far,) and I'd almost like to see this last a good, long while. I give Aquaman shit cause he really has been quite useless for as long as I can remember, yet his new series has been very entertaining and his appearance in Justice League #4 was done really well ("I told them what to eat.") In fact, this issue did in two pages, something I can honestly say I'd never imagine would happen... I thought Aquaman was a total badass.

Anyway, this is issue #4 and you're still bitching about it? Here's an idea... buy something else. You still wanna give DC your money? Give Batwing a try, it's really good. Mister Terrific is good as well and so is OMAC. Both of these books sell poorly yet they deserve more readers. If not that, Try GI Joe which just introduced a new Cobra Commander or the new Hellraiser book written by Clive Barker.

Shit dude, if you hate something as much as you say you do,why are you torturing yourself with it... Oh wait! You're a wrestling fan. Haha! Seriously though, your bitching about this book sounds like me bitching about Zack Ryder or the Star Wars prequels... you don't wanna be like me.



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#6 Posted on
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Yes, I understand that these are characters you know and you expect them to all act a certain way around each other because of the 40 years of history you are used to, but that's all gone. You need to forget everything you know about Batman and Superman's friendship, forget that Hal has died and brought back, forget that Aquaman is useless (Lol!)... forget all that shit because in this new DC Universe, None of that has happened yet, if it happens at all.


Except for the stuff that they've decided did happen. Like pretty much all the Batman stuff. And Green Lantern seeing as how the new series directly picks up from the end of the old series.

That's my biggest problem with the DC reboot. Their motto is "Everything is totally new except for the stuff that isn't!". DC can't have it both ways. Either reboot the whole thing or don't, but if you don't then expect people to complain when characters don't behave in the expected ways. Or is is our responsibility as readers to keep a flowchart of what bits of continuity have been eliminated and which have been kept?
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#7 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.26
    Originally posted by Cerebus
    Good grief, you people just don't get it.


Oh Lord.


    Here's an idea... buy something else.


Hence I counterbalanced my thread of disappointment with Justice League by starting a thread about Red Hood and The Outlaws (backofthehead.com), a book I enjoy that I never hear praise for.



(edited by John Orquiola on 23.12.11 0743)


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#8 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.91
    Originally posted by John Orquiola
      Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
      This is likely geek blasphemy, but I think Darkseid is one of the most overrated characters in comics.


    I love Darkseid but I tend to agree. I think part of the problem is how Darkseid is written. I can think of only two instances where I think Darkseid was written well: The Cosmic Odyssey and The Great Darkness Saga. Both of those happened in the '80s.

    I don't know if most people who write Darkseid actually get Darkseid, but in a way, I also can't blame them. Darkseid conceptually is a fine idea - an incredibly powerful absolute despot of the most horrific planet in the universe. But he's not a character, he's an idea. And what does Darkseid want? What is his ultimate goal? The Anti-Life Equation. Sounds sinister. It allows him to control the free will of everyone in the universe. But what is the Anti-Life Equation really? A math formula. The most evil god being in the universe wants a math formula. Ergh.

    Take Thanos, a Darkseid rip off but a much more entertaining and compelling character. Why? Because Thanos wants something a reader can connect with. He's in love with Death. He wants his love to be reciprocated. Every insane, evil, universe-threatening thing he does is because that guy's crazy in love. That's something that lends itself to drama. Everyone can relate to that.

    (edited by John Orquiola on 22.12.11 2049)


I think most people like him because he looks really cool. Kind of like Ghost Rider.
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