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#21 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Trunzo
      This is what I believe as well. I can say Hogan, Andre the Giant, Ric Flair, Macho Man, and to an extent even Ultimate Warrior and Bret Hart to several of my non-wrestling fan friends and they instantly know who I am talking about. If I said Dusty Rhodes, I'd get blank stares.
    The original question was "How big of a star was Dusty Rhodes at his peak?"

    The answer is "Yes, he *was* THAT big."

    We can discuss how big he is in 2011...or to wrestling fans in 2011... but I hope we don't. It's irrelevant, and would just turn into a generational argument.


Absolutely. He was every bit that big.



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#22 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.00
One way of thinking about how big Dusty was is that Vince McMahon took every opportunity that he could to mock Dusty...

including Virgil (named after Dusty's real name)

hiring Dusty and making him wear that polka-dot thing

Hiring Dusty's son and saddling him with the most ridiculous gimmick ever (which to his credit Dustin turned into a career)



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#23 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.93
Read it and weep, fella


    Originally posted by Llakor
    One way of thinking about how big Dusty was is that Vince McMahon took every opportunity that he could to mock Dusty...

    including Virgil (named after Dusty's real name)

    hiring Dusty and making him wear that polka-dot thing

    Hiring Dusty's son and saddling him with the most ridiculous gimmick ever (which to his credit Dustin turned into a career)
I get all that, but if he was such a huge star, why hire him only to (attempt to) bury him? From what I understand, he was on the outs in NWA/WCW at the time anyway. Why not just let him stay there, or let him go work for [who was distant 3rd at the time, AWA?], or better yet, why not hire him and allow him to be the big star he was?

I never got that whole polka-dot bury/rib thing either. Vince never did Harley Race or any of the other ex-NWA stars like that (Wasnt Red Rooster's sucky gimmick something Vince actually liked as opposed to an intentional rib?
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#24 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.24
    Originally posted by DJ FrostyFreeze
    I never got that whole polka-dot bury/rib thing either. Vince never did Harley Race or any of the other ex-NWA stars like that


There is a story that they dressed Harley in a crown and robe because he took himself too seriously as NWA champion so they made him the cartoon king of wrestling as a rib.
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#25 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.29
Actually thought the Common Man skits were worse than the polka dots.
Dusty left NWA/WCW on the sale to Turner after Starrcade '88, went to Florida to try to rebuild the area and failed and then went to the WWF. The AWA was a walking corpse at that point, and the only other option would have been the USWA/WCCW alliance, and Dusty's ego wouldn't have let him play third fiddle to Eric Embry and the Von Erich's in Texas. Couldn't see Dusty in Memphis.
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#26 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.81
Back even further than I've seen mentioned, Dirty Dusty Rhodes and Black Jack Lanza were a despised AWA tag team in the mid 70s. He was never the top dogthen, but he was certainly well known.
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#27 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.07
    Originally posted by Sec19Row53
    Back even further than I've seen mentioned, Dirty Dusty Rhodes and Black Jack Lanza were a despised AWA tag team in the mid 70s. He was never the top dogthen, but he was certainly well known.


I always thought it was rhodes and murodch in the awa as the texas outlaws (as featured in the wrestler) and lanza/mulligan, managed by heenan.



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#28 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.42

Yep, it was Rhodes and Murdoch, the Texas Outlaws. AWA, Indiana and Detroit/Ohio...there are a few matches on youtube.



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#29 Posted on | Instant Rating: 3.07
I may be wrong, but didn't Dusty draw pretty huge gates for Vince Sr. against Superstar Billy Graham? That would definately counter the arguement that he was more of a southern star.
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#30 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.36
    Originally posted by Scottyflamingo
    I may be wrong, but didn't Dusty draw pretty huge gates for Vince Sr. against Superstar Billy Graham? That would definately counter the arguement that he was more of a southern star.

Dusty worked MSG regularly in the late 70's. Probably his biggest match was against Graham

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    WWWF @ New York City, NY - Madison Square Garden - September 26, 1977 (22,102; 3,000 in Felt Forum)
    Televised on the MSG Network - included Vince McMahon on commentary:
    Cowboy Lang & the Haiti Kid defeated Little John & Little Tokyo in a Best 2 out of 3 falls match, 2-0; fall #1: Lang & Haiti won at 7:31; fall #2: Lang & Haiti won at 9:11
    Prof. Toru Tanaka pinned Johnny Rivera at 10:09 with a chop to the neck after Rivera missed a dropkick
    Baron Mikel Scicluna fought Jack Evans to a double count-out at 7:29 when both men began fighting on the ring apron
    Mr. Fuji pinned Lenny Hurst at 6:19 with a clothesline
    Bob Backlund pinned Larry Sharpe at 9:04 with the atomic drop; prior to the bout, Vince McMahon conducted an interview with Backlund on the ring apron about his undefeated streak
    Dusty Rhodes defeated WWWF World Champion Superstar Billy Graham via count-out at 15:55 after Graham was backdropped over the top to the floor; prior to the bout, Graham was escorted to the ring by the Grand Wizard; after the match, Rhodes celebrated with the title belt and put it around his waist until it was taken away by the referee; after the decision was announced, the crowd chanted "Bullshit" until Rhodes grabbed the mic and said "Superstar, I came a long way to whip your ass. Now come out here, baby!" (American Dream: The Dusty Rhodes Story, WWE's Top 50 Superstars of All Time)
    Peter Maivia defeated George Steele via count-out at 13:19 when Steele's legs became entangled in the ring ropes; after the bout, Miavia cleared Steele from the ring with Steele's own foreign object
    Chief Jay Strongbow, Tony Garea, & Larry Zbyzsko defeated Ken Patera, Stan Stasiak, & Capt. Lou Albano via referee's decision in a Best 3 out of 5 falls match; fall #1: Strongbow pinned Stasiak with a double chop to the throat at 10:40; fall #2: Patera pinned Zbyzsko with a double axe handle off the top at 5:21; the match then went to an 11 pm curfew with the referee awarding the contest to Strongbow, Garea, & Zbyzsko




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#31 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.52
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#32 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.41


YES! I have a few of those.



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#33 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.26
    Originally posted by odessasteps
      Originally posted by Sec19Row53
      Back even further than I've seen mentioned, Dirty Dusty Rhodes and Black Jack Lanza were a despised AWA tag team in the mid 70s. He was never the top dogthen, but he was certainly well known.


    I always thought it was rhodes and murodch in the awa as the texas outlaws (as featured in the wrestler) and lanza/mulligan, managed by heenan.

My bad. I blame my age :p
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#34 Posted on | Instant Rating: 9.63
    Originally posted by CRZ
      Originally posted by Trunzo
      This is what I believe as well. I can say Hogan, Andre the Giant, Ric Flair, Macho Man, and to an extent even Ultimate Warrior and Bret Hart to several of my non-wrestling fan friends and they instantly know who I am talking about. If I said Dusty Rhodes, I'd get blank stares.
    The original question was "How big of a star was Dusty Rhodes at his peak?"

    The answer is "Yes, he *was* THAT big."

    We can discuss how big he is in 2011...or to wrestling fans in 2011... but I hope we don't. It's irrelevant, and would just turn into a generational argument.


You'd think my post would have put an end to this debate!



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#35 Posted on | Instant Rating: 2.66
What a roller coaster ride. I can identify with all of what has been said in all previous posts to this point.

I found the WWF(E) in 88. So I caught some of the Dusty Rhodes Poca(Polka) Dot deal. Didn't realize NWA/WCW existed until 91/92 & then regularly watched. Unless you find a wise wrestling fan who does there homework, nowadays, they won't know who Dusty is now & who he was. Yes, at one point he was very relevant in the main events. I agree is was probably more on the regional level in the south but globally, probably not. You have a better chance of mentioning the success of Dustin & Cody now than Dusty.







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#36 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.73
The fact that the 4 Horsemen became LEGENDS for beating the crap out of Dusty before running roughshod over the NWA should tell you how big a deal he was.
JYD was the biggest star Bill Watts ever booked, and he was routinely worshipped by the Mid South crowds, but even he was second fiddle when Dusty came to town.
Barb Wire matches with Terry Funk. Being attacked weekly by the Horsemen, a few world title reigns, selling out arenas on one night stand visits throughout the USA. Yes, Dusty is in the same sentence as Flair, Hogan, Savage, etc. Thing is, he didn't wrestle a lot past the WWF/E expansion, so it's like he never existed.
How many times have you heard Nick Bockwinkle mentioned on WWE TV? But he was the main heel in AWA for what, 15 years? Just because you never saw them on WWE programming doesn't mean they weren't huge.
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I actually saw him last weekend over here in Puerto Rico against Carly Colon (Carlos Colon son), and he looked pretty damn good, in fact he was so convincing that wrestling "fans" of the area waited for him outside to beat the crap out of him......
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