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Fred Fox, Jr., the writer on Happy Days who wrote the episode where Fonzie jumped over the shark, defends Happy Days against everyone who has used the term "jumped the shark":

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-jump-the-shark-20100903,0,6800871.story

I'm reminded of Troy on Community: "There was an episode of Happy Days when someone actually jumped over a shark, AND IT WAS THE BEST ONE!"



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I bet it wasn't easy working in Hollywood in the 70s with the name "fred fox jr."



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Personally, I'd be thrilled to be immortalized by introducing a term into pop culture lexicon. "Jumping the shark" is a term that'll live long past our grandkids.




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    Originally posted by It's False
    Personally, I'd be thrilled to be immortalized by introducing a term into pop culture lexicon. "Jumping the shark" is a term that'll live long past our grandkids.


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So, do think you can unjump the shark? Like Buffy where they jumped the shark with Dawn then got back up with the second half of season six.
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I think it has happened many times

NYPD Blue, for example. Bewitched went on for some time after Darren switched. Dallas jumped the Shark, but after we found out Bobby Dreamed it, it settled back down.

Mash is one that kind of jumped the shark by having old antagonists Hawkeye and HotLips kiss and perhaps "do it", then go on for a couple episodes. But they sort of righted the ship on that.

Yeah, it can happen.



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I thought for a lot of people, the "dream season" reveal WAS the moment when Dallas jumped the shark?

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One could argue that MASH was already on the downward slide by the time of the Hawkeye/Hot Lips kiss.

IIRC, we were already into the Winchester era and perhaps the post-Radar era.

While some of the BJ/Colonel Potter seasons were pretty good, it really wasn't the same show after Trapper and Henry Blake were gone.



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#9 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
    Originally posted by odessasteps

    While some of the BJ/Colonel Potter seasons were pretty good, it really wasn't the same show after Trapper and Henry Blake were gone.


I think it wasn't all that good until after Trapper and Henry Blake (and Frank Burns) were gone. I thought the characters that replaced them were better and more well-rounded, and I liked the ways that the show experimented.
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#10 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
    Originally posted by Peter The Hegemon
      Originally posted by odessasteps

      While some of the BJ/Colonel Potter seasons were pretty good, it really wasn't the same show after Trapper and Henry Blake were gone.


    I think it wasn't all that good until after Trapper and Henry Blake (and Frank Burns) were gone. I thought the characters that replaced them were better and more well-rounded, and I liked the ways that the show experimented.



I feel the same way. The first three years (Blake/Trapper years) were more sitcomey and goofy (in a Hogan's Heroes way) than the dramedy (Potter/BJ) years that followed.

I have been DVRing MASH on TV land and I've almost got through the 1st three years. I normally don't watch those shows, but I did this time just to see how little Trapper was used. You can't blame him for leaving, Trapper was just Hawkeye's sidekick.

Making Hawkeye the Chief Surgeon really gutted Trap's character.



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I preferred Winston and BJ too, Winston was a better foil due to having some humanity while Barnes seemed way too much like a mustache twirling villain then an army surgeon. The Dallas dream season is weird. Its weird that the entire season was a dream and a jump the shark moment, but the season itself proved that without Bobby to stand in JR's way, its a fairly frustrating show to watch. I would also make the argument that X-Files righted the ship with season 8 only to slam it into a the Cliffs of Dover with season 9. The only other show, I can think of jumping the shark was West Wing with their 9-11 episode and then unjumping it with the Santanos storyline that mirrored our own election in 2008.

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The 9-11 episode was a one-off. Some of the show's best stuff happened directly after that in seasons 3 and 4. Season 5, as a whole, was one big shark-jump.
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#13 Posted on | Instant Rating: 4.34
    Originally posted by lotjx
    I preferred Winston and BJ too, Winston was a better foil due to having some humanity while Barnes seemed way too much like a mustache twirling villain then an army surgeon.


Who the crap are Winston and Barnes?

Did you mean Winchester and Burns? Did you even know anything about MASH? Or is this another "VT is still in the Big East" thing?



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#14 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
Sorry, I was writing that while finding out when my wife's surgery was. I forgot to preview. won't happen again.
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#15 Posted on | Instant Rating: 8.32
    Originally posted by lotjx
    Sorry, I was writing that while finding out when my wife's surgery was. I forgot to preview. won't happen again.
WHY are you posting here when you obviously have more important things you should be taking care of?



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#16 Posted on | Instant Rating: 1.56
I just hit submit while I was talking with her. I stopped typing while talking to her and then hit submit as a reaction. I went on auto-pilot.
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#17 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.98
    Originally posted by Amos Cochran
    The 9-11 episode was a one-off. Some of the show's best stuff happened directly after that in seasons 3 and 4. Season 5, as a whole, was one big shark-jump.


Yeah, the clear shark-jump moment was Sorkin leaving.

lotjx is right, however, that a lot of the Santos election storyline was worth watching. It was never quite as good as the Sorkin seasons--for one thing, the early seasons had a lot of humor, and the Wells era pretty much never did--but it was close at times.
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#18 Posted on | Instant Rating: 6.86
It's weird, because Wells found his feet with seasons six and seven, and some of the best stuff happens in those last runs (a non-cliche Republican presidential candidate being chief amongst those plusses). But aside from the odd episode like "The Supremes" season five is a goddamn slog.

Still, upon reflection I'd hesitate to call it a shark-jump, because the show definitely got its mojo back - or at least a good helping of it - for those last two years.
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#19 Posted on | Instant Rating: 5.21
As far as I'm concerned, M*A*S*H jumped the shark when it became a TV show.

The original movie was FAR more awesome.
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