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|  #2 Posted on 21.10.10 1351.20 | Instant Rating: 8.34 | You're an idiot.
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| #3 Posted on 21.10.10 1417.59 | Instant Rating: 7.01 | Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you an audience. If your boss doesn't like what you say in the media (TV show, Facebook, etc.), you can get the boot.
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| #4 Posted on 21.10.10 1556.26 | Instant Rating: 2.12 | Originally posted by Matt Tracker
Freedom of speech doesn't guarantee you an audience. If your boss doesn't like what you say in the media (TV show, Facebook, etc.), you can get the boot.
And if taxpayer money didn't fund even a fraction of NPR, I would agree.
EDIT: Man, my internet connection blows.
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| #5 Posted on 21.10.10 1621.23 | Instant Rating: 5.34 | Man, you'd hate the BBC then.
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| #6 Posted on 21.10.10 1637.14 | Instant Rating: 1.72 | | He signed a $2 Million dollar deal with Fox News today. I think he'll be okay. | Leroy
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| #7 Posted on 21.10.10 1655.09 | Instant Rating: 6.19 | Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
And if taxpayer money didn't fund even a fraction of NPR, I would agree.
So you want CPB funding eligibility requirements to influence a station's and/or network's employee conduct and termination policies?
That's a TERRIBLE idea. | Peter The Hegemon
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| #8 Posted on 21.10.10 2317.20 | Instant Rating: 6.99 |
NPR has every right to set a policy that its reporters can not express opinions publicly. Williams knew of the policy and had been warned about it before.
Just a week or two ago a memo was sent to NPR reporters advising them not to attend the Jon Stewart/Stephen Colbert rally lest it be seen as a political statement. | wannaberockstar
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| #9 Posted on 22.10.10 0002.13 | Instant Rating: 4.00 | I'd wager that half the people complaining never really listened to a Juan Williams segment, let alone NPR.
It just seems like feigned outrage in an attempt to drum up the annual "defund that crazy 'liberal' NPR" stunt.
Also, is this not the *same* type of situation that Rick Sanchez was just in and hardly anyone said a peep. | lotjx
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| #10 Posted on 22.10.10 0717.00 | Instant Rating: 1.65 | I didn't even know he was on NPR, I just saw him on Fox news all the time and figured that was his gig. I don't necessarily agree that he should be fired for making honest comments about his own racism. Of course, I doubt he sees what he said was racist or maybe he does and was trying to further the discussion along. Regardless, NPR has a policy about opinions and taking political sides for both Democrat and Republican. Since this is the second or third time he has broken that rule, its time for him to go.
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| #11 Posted on 22.10.10 0718.37 | Instant Rating: 2.12 | Originally posted by Leroy
Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
And if taxpayer money didn't fund even a fraction of NPR, I would agree.
So you want CPB funding eligibility requirements to influence a station's and/or network's employee conduct and termination policies?
That's a TERRIBLE idea.
Not at all. I just don't want any taxpayer money funding any form of media that broadcasts any political opinion. I've heard tons of stuff on NPR as or more controversial than what Williams said and no one was ever fired for that. | Leroy
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| #12 Posted on 22.10.10 0924.50 | Instant Rating: 6.19 | Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
Not at all. I just don't want any taxpayer money funding any form of media that broadcasts any political opinion.
So, basically, you don't want any taxpayer money funding and form of media. Because otherwise this just is not possible.
Originally posted by Reverend J Shaft
I've heard tons of stuff on NPR as or more controversial than what Williams said and no one was ever fired for that.
Which is irrelevant.
1) His comments weren't made on NPR.
2) I too have heard more controversial comments - just not by someone employed by the network.
3) His job at NPR was political analyst, not editorial.
FTR - I don't think he should have been fired (I don't think Rick Sanche should have been fired for anything other than hosting a crappy show), but the idea that qualifying for CPB funding should include this kind of oversight is ridiculous (and, frankly. impossible). | Reverend J Shaft
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| #13 Posted on 22.10.10 1001.52 | Instant Rating: 2.12 | Originally posted by Leroy
So, basically, you don't want any taxpayer money funding and form of media. Because otherwise this just is not possible.
Well, I don't mind taxpayer money going to EAS and National Weather Service announcements and the like, but otherwise...no. But I acknowledge the nitpicking of my earlier statement.
Originally posted by Leroy
FTR - I don't think he should have been fired (I don't think Rick Sanche should have been fired for anything other than hosting a crappy show), but the idea that qualifying for CPB funding should include this kind of oversight is ridiculous (and, frankly. impossible).
And the fact CPB even exists is ridiculous.
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| #14 Posted on 22.10.10 1556.45 | Instant Rating: 3.90 | | NPR is probably the best news organization in the country, and I'd rather have my tax dollars going to that than to buying jet fighters or corporate bailouts. | AWArulz
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| #15 Posted on 22.10.10 1739.32 | Instant Rating: 5.68 | Originally posted by Alex
NPR is probably the best news organization in the country, and I'd rather have my tax dollars going to that than to buying jet fighters or corporate bailouts.
But I wouldn't - and plus, there's nothing in the constitution to support distributing tax revenues to businesses. Unless they are "regulating interstate commerce" with that.
I guess that's why we vote in 10 days - or at least why I vote.
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| #16 Posted on 22.10.10 2351.20 | Instant Rating: 6.99 | Originally posted by AWArulz
But I wouldn't - and plus, there's nothing in the constitution to support distributing tax revenues to businesses. Unless they are "regulating interstate commerce" with that.
Or providing for the general welfare. | Guru Zim
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| #17 Posted on 23.10.10 0239.37 | Instant Rating: 8.84 | NPR gets a small amount of its money from the corporation for public broadcasting. They also get grants from the NEA.
this doesn't make them public, it makes them like millions of American businesses that get money from the government in some for or other through grants, loans, and contract work.
A workplace has the right to set rules. If you are told "Do not go on opinion shows and say your opinions" then if you go on opinion shows and do that, and ALSO give what might be construed as a pretty backwards comment at the same time, you should expect to be fired.
AWA if you didn't want to hire me because I have long hair, that's your right. I think you'd be missing out, but it's your right.
I don't see how the right can be so "pro business" except when it is a business that they perceive as liberal. Just be consistent.
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| #18 Posted on 23.10.10 0743.24 | Instant Rating: 2.12 | Originally posted by Guru Zim
A workplace has the right to set rules. If you are told "Do not go on opinion shows and say your opinions" then if you go on opinion shows and do that
Oh, you mean like Mara Liasson?
Originally posted by Guru Zim
and ALSO give what might be construed as a pretty backwards comment at the same time, you should expect to be fired.
Oh, you mean like Nina Totenberg?
Look, for any business that doesn't receive taxpayer money, I could care less who they hire and fire, why they do it, etc. But don't any of you dare get on the high horse and say Juan Williams was fired because "he broke rules" while these other two are allowed to continue. And as long as they keep taking taxpayer money, I will castigate them for their liberal bias as I see fit. (For God's sake, I actually had to link to left-wing Media Matters to support my point)
Originally posted by Guru Zim
I don't see how the right can be so "pro business" except when it is a business that they perceive as liberal.
I don't see how the left can be so "anti-business" except when it comes to firing of a man expressing an opinion on a right-wing network.
Originally posted by Guru Zim
Just be consistent.
THIS, I agree with. I'll stop posting on this now. While I understand the debate over what the government should fund and not fund, the idea that NPR was acting consistent with their policies is flipping absurd. | AWArulz
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| #19 Posted on 23.10.10 1115.29 | Instant Rating: 5.68 | Originally posted by Guru Zim
AWA if you didn't want to hire me because I have long hair, that's your right. I think you'd be missing out, but it's your right.
Don't misunderstand me. I have no problem with NPR firing Williams. I just don't support the government giving them (or any other entity other than the military and a couple other things) tax revenue.
and you're right. I wouldn't hire you because you have long hair.
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